Who wants to join the new NADF club?
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What really makes me laugh is seeing all the SPs responding to this thread and saying how much they love doing what they do, etc etc...
When I see that, I just remember back a few months ago to several posts from misty saying how much she really really loved to suck all our dicks and she enjoyed her job so so much and how that was what made her such a good provider etc etc...
But we all know the truth now, don't we?
Just remember Misty's parting words the next time you see a post by an SP saying how much they love doing what they do.
NADF ftw.
When I see that, I just remember back a few months ago to several posts from misty saying how much she really really loved to suck all our dicks and she enjoyed her job so so much and how that was what made her such a good provider etc etc...
But we all know the truth now, don't we?
Just remember Misty's parting words the next time you see a post by an SP saying how much they love doing what they do.
NADF ftw.
I am starting a new club for men who appreciate the women who service them.
these exceedingly generous & long suffering gals
these fine ladies
these hard working gals
these angels from heaven
these special women
They must be blushing in secret joy....god only knows what you apply to them.
Good post, I agree. Some dudes unfortunately get it wrapped around their heads that an SP/client relationship might develop into something more, but the truth is, once you're out the door, you're forgotten. I've read threads where guys will be like Yeah, we've gone beyond the client/provider relationship, we enjoy each others time, we do stuff outside the bedroom and it doesn't cost me a cent...then he'll go and say, but I buy her clothes, pay for her food, pay for this, pay for that, pay for her education.
NADF FTW!!!
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This really has been an interesting thread....some of you are getting pretty worked up Carry on!!
Carry on!!We never know what an SP is thinking about us and have no way of knowing what they say after we leave.
Just like my dentist, doctor, banker, butcher, server, mechanic, etc etc.
So what?
The persona krustee shows on this board is probably what he is like in the real world. I guess that's why he has been denigrated, stolen from, lied to, cheated, insulted, etc etc by so many SP's. I'll bet they can't wait to get him pout the door.
I have seen hundreds of SP's and with very few exceptions they have been nice people and I have been nice to them. It's really not that difficult. It is a business relationship, but that doesn't mean it can't be a nice, respectful, civil and fun. I have never had any of those negative experiences krustee seems to attract.
Just like my dentist, doctor, banker, butcher, server, mechanic, etc etc.
So what?
The persona krustee shows on this board is probably what he is like in the real world. I guess that's why he has been denigrated, stolen from, lied to, cheated, insulted, etc etc by so many SP's. I'll bet they can't wait to get him pout the door.
I have seen hundreds of SP's and with very few exceptions they have been nice people and I have been nice to them. It's really not that difficult. It is a business relationship, but that doesn't mean it can't be a nice, respectful, civil and fun. I have never had any of those negative experiences krustee seems to attract.
If I had an independant source of money and didn't need a paycheque? For example, suppose I had won the $50 million lotto max jackpot, heck suppose I even had one of the $25 million winning tickets..Would I work for free? Hell no. Would you? Can one enjoy this job.. HELL YES, and the big puddle in my bed right now is proof of that.
Yes I would do my current job for free.
Odds are that I would do it somewhere other than Canada, and probably for only a few months of the year, but yes, I would do it for free.
I know lots of people, with all sorts of different jobs who really love what they do and would do it for free if they came into enough money that they had that luxury. I do know some tradesmen who did actually come into large amounts of money and then went off and joined Habitat for Humanity or the Peace Corps and now spend a few months per year donating their skilled labour to charity.
We see stories in the news about people who strike it rich and then go on to do their jobs for free. I have known quite a few university professors in BC who were forced to retire due to their age and then went on to continue tutoring and supervising graduate students for free for many years. I knew one who went to the school and tutored students 5 days a week for over 10 years after he retired. He only stopped 3 weeks before he died. He was always a happy guy.
Strangely, I don't know or know of a single SP who made that decision. Does anyone else know of one? Having sex with your boyfriend "for free" does not count, that is like the carpenter working on his own house and not giving his wife a bill for his time.
As far as the idea that the post was written by someone other than her, who knows. Haven't seen her make that claim and haven't seen anyone with any reputation around here stating that she made that claim to them (if she did or someone did, I never saw it).
I never said that no SPs ever enjoys sex with ANY of their clients. That would be a pretty wide generalization to make.
I have been friends with a few SPs over the years, there have been some who emailed or called me to invite me to go out and do something, off the clock. Some have even bought me dinner because they wanted to discuss something with me and hear my opinion. The idea that an SP will never like any of her clients is as dumb as the idea that an SP would actually enjoy having sex with each and every one (or even most) of her clients.
So no, I can't tell you how much you do or do not enjoy what you do, but I can tell you that even if you totally hated it, you wouldn't admit that on here unless you were quitting. I can also tell you that some of the girls who claim to love what they do, actually hate it.
Exactly.
But the problem is he hasn't realized that the responsibility is his and still continues to blame everyone else. (More on this below)
How sweet.
Why would anyone expect appreciation for good hygiene to translate into discounts or free session? I don't think I've ever heard anyone comment about having such expectations. In fact, I've never heard anyone even assuming someone else would expect that....before you just did. Would you possibly be projecting your own (un-met) expectations perhaps? I don't understand why you would even make that observation...?!
What else is it supposed to be? Or should it be?
Great post.
Actually Krustee, I think that you might be the one who is so defensive and harsh about all sp's because your expectations and views of what is real might be warped, not the other way around.
The vast majority of men here aren't the ones constantly starting thread such as this one - to address some issue or other they feel they are victim of at the hands of evil sp's. You are.
Most men are perfectly happy with the trade-off, very realistic about the nature of what is going on and have completely realistic and lucid expectations that are fair. You are not happy about a long list of things and very bitter about much of what the sp-client relationship entails and certainly not clear about where the limits of what is expected should fall.
This is what I mean about expectations and limits.
If you were truly wronged as described above, I am sorry this happened to you and can sympathize - as I'm sure every person reading this also can from having some version of this situation happen to them at a time in their life. Does this relate specifically to sp's? Not at all, this is an issue that is about people in general. We've all tried to help someone and been bitten in the ass. It sucks but there is always something to learn from it. If it keeps happening over and over... we have obviously not learned everything we needed to and should figure out what we missed. It is not only the fault of "others" and refusing to see this will only ensure the situation gets repeated again and again..
Are you serious? After all you've been through..? And you are the only person on this board who's ever had bad experiences? Give me a break with the poor me crap.
The "truth" according to Krustee.
Amen.
I won't quote the whole post as it was long but I did read it all and totally agree. Well said.
Neither do I. But I don't know any sp's who've won the lotto or won the jackpot....... do you?
I hear you and I tend to agree but what I think that SNL is bringing it up because this thread was specifically brought on in response to those posts. If they weren't written by her but by someone else instead, it makes a big difference on whether Krustee feels he's once again been proven what he spends much time fearing.
Are there sp's out there who really do feel that way? Realistically I'm sure there are. There are people who love, hate, despise, or any endless number of other options. But for Krustee to take this as validation and proof that Ah-Ha! all sp's secretly feel that way - is ridiculous, unfair and just a reflection of his negative feelings about sp's....and his negatives feelings about himself.
He's already started the thread so even if it is revealed that Misty did not write those comments, he's already been successful in forcing his own insecure fears and thoughts on others out there, which I think sucks. Krustee has held this belief (and others that are just as judgmental and sometimes paranoid) long before these comments were posted. He's believed this about sp's (and much more) long before he had any "proof"....so this isn't something that has just occurred to him like most who might read this thread and now be worried and feel like shit, he's ALWAYS (or at least for many years - as is proof in many of his mysogynist views and posts) had these insecurities and he's always felt like he was being wronged, that his comments applied to ALL sp's, that he somehow knew better than anyone else "the truth" about sp's, "truth" which always portrays sp's as evil, greedy, conceited bitches who have wronged him and everyone who is a client.
Is that everyone here's experience?
Do you suppose it makes him feel just a little better to now have "proof" of his fears and therefore be able to include others in his own insecure scenarios?
If sp's did talk about him (I have no idea what the story is, nor do I care) - can is really be that surprising, given his own persona and constant abusive crap towards women/sp's? How can he even think that he could apply any of his "experiences" to any other gentlemen? So basically, I'm not trying to sound harsh here but your conclusion about the Misty/handle issue is basically my conclusion about Krustee.
At this point: No sympathy.
You get what you put into it. You can't possibly expect all honest, genuine, mutual interactions with anyone whose path you cross (not just sp's) when this is the mindframe you are in or the thoughts you have. It's not possible. The day Krustee finally realizes this and changes his own outlook and expectations, is the day he will realize it's not everyone else's problem, it's his own - and the change he needs in order to not fall victim to everything/everyone as he claims to be, can only come from him. If he keeps waiting for others, he'll be waiting for a long time.
Exactly.
And this thread is not so much about "Misty's" comments as it is about Krustee.
And the whole thing is getting old.
waaw, poor little Krustee. Everybody hates him. Nobody likes him.
For the record, I am in this for the money and the freedom 100%!
I'm also a very social person, always have been. Its a bonus that I really like sex and can orgasm easily (most of the time), with pretty much anyone (most of the time). Even if I don't orgasm, I still enjoy sex. I also do not think of any of my clients badly. I advertise to attract the kind of man that I want to spend time with. The man I want to spend time with is nice, with a good attitude, and likes women.
I fucked practically all the boys in high school. I have had more than one boyfriend accuse me of being a nympho, and if I was in a relationship, it would not be monogamous.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it oh Krusty one.
I also don't think Krusty really believes the drivel he spouts. I think he enjoys pushing buttons, so if you respond to him, then he wins
For the record, I am in this for the money and the freedom 100%!
I'm also a very social person, always have been. Its a bonus that I really like sex and can orgasm easily (most of the time), with pretty much anyone (most of the time). Even if I don't orgasm, I still enjoy sex.
I also do not think of any of my clients badly. I advertise to attract the kind of man that I want to spend time with. The man I want to spend time with is nice, with a good attitude, and likes women. I fucked practically all the boys in high school. I have had more than one boyfriend accuse me of being a nympho, and if I was in a relationship, it would not be monogamous.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it oh Krusty one.
I also don't think Krusty really believes the drivel he spouts. I think he enjoys pushing buttons, so if you respond to him, then he wins
You're confusing 'honesty' with spite. There was nothing 'honest' in her post; she made a blanket assessment of all hobbyists while rubbing her clients' noses in the fact that she made money from them ("laughing to the bank now" was how she put it).
Maybe misty? LOL
I do know a few who inherited money or made a bundle on flipping their condo.
They left the biz until they'd run through all the money and then back they came.
I expect the same from misty in 6-12 months, she'll be back.
You're probably right, but if it really was her (and some of the intimate details seems like it was her), I hope she doesn't have to come back. I hope she finds something else that makes her happy.
Spot on HBC. I wish people could just ignore his garbage and discuss some of the valid points that he and other posters have made.I also don't think Krusty really believes the drivel he spouts. I think he enjoys pushing buttons, so if you respond to him, then he wins
I have to say when the original post came out I was hurt. I don't consider myself a NADF but I'm sure some might.
Whether or not it was Misty that posted it doesn't really matter. IMO I still think it is an attitude that some SPs will have towards their profession. What I have learned during the discussions over the past few days has made me thankful that these threads were allowed to continue. I do think that many SPs, represented on the review boards, enjoy their chosen profession most of the time. I do believe many of those that say they love what they do and they're thrilled they can make a living at it. Think about it...if most didn't enjoy it we would have little blow ups like Misty's all the time. I also believe that there will be some in it just for the money and one day, right or wrong, they will be upset by what they did for a living.
What seems to differentiate the two is maturity (not age) and attitude. If you truly LOVE people, truly LOVE sex, and you see this industry as a way to merge the two and make a living at the same time then I think you will do very well during and after your career. When I think SPs struggle is when they lack the attitude that allows them to look at the business as providing a service to people in exchange for money.
FTR I think it's great. IMO an industry that allows someone to do something they love and make good money doing it is awesome. Keep things in perspective and both parties should have a great time.
We actually do, but most of them show a bit more class and are more subtle about it.
Some of them also realize that maybe they'll be back some day and they don't napalm their bridges quite as badly as she did.
The difference is that they don't make a point of scathingly telling you how they 'really' feel, while rubbing your nose in the fact they've enjoyed taking your money. It's called discretion and tact. That's the difference.
I imagine that's true, and would probably be naive to think otherwise.
Zero, I expect?
No Nina, you can`t but as they say Men are from Mars & women are from Venus.
What I am insinuating by that is that there are a LOT of things that women are like minded on just by their nature.
Really Nina?
Tell me what you love about me.
I am sure there has got to be at least one redeeming virtue?
Buddy, this biz is not like going to your doctor or dentist.
First off this is s fringe business & many a man could find himself out of a job if it were known he participates.
That is why it is so important to have discretion & you my boy are trusting these gals to have that discretion.
I have found that you do so at your own peril.
Isn`t that right Nina?
Absolutely CT I must be just like that & that is why you hear about so may of the SP`s who have been treated so poorly by me.
Ummm .... wait a minute there aren`t any?
Here`s a challenge - for any SP willing to claim I have been anything other than a gentleman in session with them personally I will offer 1 hour of their normal fee.
OK - well let`s just assume that there are so that your argument makes some sort of sense OK?
Truth is CT there are good SP`s & there are bad SP`s.
You will NEVER have a problem with SP`s like:
April
http://www.aprilsexyplaymate.com/
or
Taylor
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ck-in-Vancouver-2-weeks-only&highlight=Taylor
Because these gals appreciate you as a client & a person.
They have dignity & class which means even if they are with their friends they do not share info about their clients.
You could leave your wallet with the credit cards at their in-call & come back later with full assurance that your real name & your financial security are intact & your personal information has been respected.
THAT - is the difference.
How many other providers can U do that with?
I think it would be a pretty short list.
That`s right I blame everyone else for my circumstances.
How is it my fault when I pay an escort & she just goes into another room & a couple guys walk in with baseball bats asking me to leave?
Keep in mind I have not touched her nor said anything less than complementary.
What about those who answer their phone during my session?
Is it wrong of me to expect them to pay attention to me when I am paying for that?
What about those who "accidentally" forget they are on the rag when I show up at their in-call?
Am I supposed to be psychic & know not to see them?
Do they have any responsibility at all in telling me they are not "fresh & clean" or that aunt Flo is visiting?
They collected the money just the same!
What about those who cut the session short because they forgot they have an appointment to get their nails done?
Do they have any responsibility to inform me ahead of time that they could not do a full hour?
The full hour that I paid for!
What about the escort who hounds you for information about yourself promising that anything said between will be kept absolutely secret?
Then you find out SP`s who you don`t even know are telling you things that only that one who promised to never tell a soul knows about?
This is so disconcerting I don`t even know where to begin on describing the levels in violation of trust this person has gone to.
Please tell me about my personal responsibility Bijou!
I`m all ears!
Just answered the other boys question there Bijou don`t need to project it on me as if I thought up the whole hygiene subject.
I threw out some extreme conjecture to show exactly how ridiculous the notion of hygiene being a card you could play is.
I agree that hygiene is an expectation for both parties.
What is the transaction supposed to be?
What else is it supposed to be? Or should it be?
I is supposed to be a discreet transaction - that both parties agree keeping personal information & the details of the experience to themselves is best for each.
But some of you gals seem to think that with each client you meet it gives you the right to share intimate details & personal information with every other SP in North America!
If you have no ability to be discreet & respect the client - GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS BIZ!!
Well if the SP`s would show a bit of class & respect toward the client I would not have a problem.
All I hear is how hard you gals have it when you are charging $250-$300 per hour.
All I hear about is how you have to put up with this & that & that you spend countless hours trying to make yourselves look pretty for us unappreciative neanderthals.
I show up for an appointment & am told they are running late - so I wait ....
.....
.....
and wait ....
sometimes half an hour other times - literally - 3 hours!
Then when I show up I am asked to run to the store to get condoms!
WTF???
For $300 per hour you cannot manage your time?
Wrong again Bijou!
It is about SP`s cuz I don`t put up with this kind of crap outside of the sex trade!
Let`s take the being on time for appointments issue for example -
If I show up for my dentist & he makes me wait 30 min to an hour beyond the scheduled appointment you can bet your ass either I dump him or get compensation for my being inconvenienced.
And you know what Bijou - because they run a professional biz they do just that!
Who here has EVER had an SP give you your money back because she was not ready & had to cut your appointment?
What about giving money back for lousy service?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Didn`t think so!
Get a clue Bijou!
I`m not the only one who has had a bad experience!
There are TONS of guys who have had bad experiences - they just don`t say anything because they are afraid of what you SP`s would do to them if they did.
There are many of you SP`s who refuse to see me because I am so vocal about you gals running a reputable & honest biz.
Most of the guys on here don`t want to be in the same boat I am - so they bite their tongue!
Actually Bijou - you just may do well to listen to some of what I am saying.
The "truth" according to Krustee.
Rather than disregarding it outright maybe you & other SP`s should think for a moment about what I post & see if there is room for improvement on your part?
Uhhhhg!
Jeezus Bijou!
I don`t "fear" anything first off & secondly I think it is fairly clear that Misty did post that.
If you don`t feel that way it will be proven in the way you treat & respect your clients Bijou - not only during the session but long after they are gone!
Respect & discretion does not have a time limit attached Bijou.
Keeping the details of your client to yourself is not a option that you wait for your client to request of you Bijou - it is an EXPECTATION!
When you share personal info about a client with other SP`s it is classless & lacking discretion!
The ONLY thing that other SP`s need to know are whether or not the said client is clean & respectable ie. a `good client`.
If you share any more info than that you are NOT being discreet & NOT respecting the client.
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FORCING my 'fears' & thoughts?
Are you serious Bijou?
Jeeeezus Krist woman - there is no fear, this is not something I just made up cuz I'm bored.
The truth is there are at least 2 SP's who have been sharing info about me in a malicious manner.
Furthermore I have had the unfortunate opportunity to hear what was said!
Where was the discretion & respect?
Absolutely pathetic business practice Bijou!
Maligning the very people who make your lifestyle possible is NOT a good idea!
I am not the only one this is being done to & I think you SP's should give your haughty, better than your clients attitude a shake or a slap in the face!
You are not better than your clients!
You DO owe them respect & discretion - PERIOD!
Good spiel there Bijou but unfortunately I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.
Find me an SP who I have mistreated & disrespected in session & I will as I have stated before, give her 1 hour donation.
I don't have these thought & feelings because I just woke up one day & decide to be an asshole!
I am speaking for all the other guys who have been mistreated, ripped off or endured a bait & switch and do not wish to say something for fear of retribution like what you are posting here.
Am I being a bit over the top - maybe?
Am I telling the truth about what is going on in this industry - yes!
Sorry to say Bijou but there are a lot of them in this biz & the decent honest providers would do well to weed them out so that the sex trade can have some hope of becoming more legitimate.
It is getting old & what are you SP's going to do about it?
Run the one guy who is willing to complain about what's going on outta town or start policing yourselves & make those in your own ranks start being honest & stop ripping off clients?
Are you gonna shame those who attempt to spread info about their clients because you realize how potentially damaging it is you your careers or run the one guy who is willing to say that is wrong outta town?
Would you prefer the reputation of the sex trade get better or remain status quo?
You & your peers decide.
And your clients will respect you for it!
That's the right attitude!
I am sure you could put a smile on my face Angie & I have heard nothing but good things about you.
I think you should exclude yourself from the ranks of those who do not respect & have discretion with their clients cuz I have heard you do appreciate & understand the importance of confidentiality with them.
Somehow I already knew that?waaw, poor little Krustee. Everybody hates him. Nobody likes him.
For the record, I am in this for the money and the freedom 100%!
Yes - I win!!I'm also a very social person, always have been. Its a bonus that I really like sex and can orgasm easily (most of the time), with pretty much anyone (most of the time). Even if I don't orgasm, I still enjoy sex.
I fucked practically all the boys in high school. I have had more than one boyfriend accuse me of being a nympho, and if I was in a relationship, it would not be monogamous.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it oh Krusty one.
I also don't think Krusty really believes the drivel he spouts. I think he enjoys pushing buttons, so if you respond to him, then he wins
Yeah!!
I'm glad you can orgasm there Harmony I'll come on over & test you out today!
I'll also be happy to smoke you if you can stuff yourself in my pipe.
As for the insinuation that I don't like women - it is the fact that I do that keeps me going on some of these subjects.
I do like women & think the female body is the most beautiful thing on this planet.
That said, I also have seen some beautiful females turn real ugly real fast because of their attitude!
You & I have shared enough rounds with keyboard combat to know what I do & do not take seriously.
On this subject you have a problem amongst your ranks that needs to be addressed.
The question that remains is - are you gonna ignore it & try to pretend it's not a problem .... ?
or
Will you be willing to at least consider my commentary & see if there is any merit to my words?
I guess it all boils down to what kind of character & integrity you have?
That's true IG, most SP's would never go out like this cuz they would want to come back if needed & have a hope of attracting clients.
It's just a business transaction.
As long as they do not share info about you & denigrate you amongst their friends it should all be OK.
It's just best that we don't think this is gonna be something like Pretty Woman ...
cuz it ain't!
Piece out!
