Zeitgeist fans...

[LightBearer]

I have no plan to enter the argument.

There is a huge irony here worth pointing out:

It's comically twisted that the Conspiracy People borrow-adopt the term and
use it to call the 'non-believers' as having 'drunk the Kool-Aide'.
While to us 'Normals" they look like the ones waiting to commit group suicide to catch a ride on a passing Comet. (Same idea, different event from the one in Guyana).

From my and most's point of view,
it is the conspiracy types who have 'Drunk the Koolaide',
and it is people who call or appoint themselves with names like 'Light Bearer',
are not much different than that same Jim Jones (Kool Aide reference again), who also saw himself like some enlightened prophet, as gifted, as the revealer, and a 'Lightbearer'.
- When it seems to everyone else of actual clarity, the true tainted-Kool-Aide-Drinkers are often just individuals with a huge NEED to be 'the one 'in-the-know', which quite often is the motive which gives them purpose by "knowing" something other's "can't" or "refuse" to - (cough) - "see".
Thereby, all of us are the ones 'in denial', and they are 'special'.

BUT, the main irony here is: (EMPHASIS):

There is a large group of scholarly and brilliant, educated, and truly OPEN-MINDED people who have looked at the evidence without pre-bias, from BOTH sides, and STILL conclude that the evidence DOES NOT in the FINAL ANALYSIS, support your assertions.

Repeat for emphasis :
and STILL conclude that the evidence DOES NOT in the FINAL ANALYSIS, support your assertions.

But, even with such a full-on, critical, independent-thinking AND
open mind, because we are not Converts to your religion,
somehow, instead, it is we who have 'drunk the Kool Aide'.
And if you don't convert, you are obviously and wilfully 'close minded'. Because the 'evidence' is sooo 'compelling', you'd 'be a fool' NOT to become a believer...

Bullshit.

And that's the true irony.


So we are left to say,
The 'light' you bear is an artifical candle in the wind.
(Or a gas lamp running out of gaAasssssssssss-hiss Phew! LoL).
And leave it at that.

Cheers.
I'll remain, 'happily ignorant'.
Because, as Tom Cruise said in 'A Few Good Men',

"You can't handle The Truth!"

- or rather,
"I I I I can't handle the 'Truth'"


LOL insert your own smiley face....HERE.


(PS, Obama cancelled plans to add Michael Moore's face to Mt. Rushmore.
It's truuue, I saw it on Yew Toobe).

ROFL insert your own, second smiley face....HERE.

Just because itsa conspiracy theory doesnt mean I believe it. I dont beleive the government is working with Aliens living in underground bases. I dont believe in UFO's etc... That is for kids. But if you have DECLASSIFIFIED documents like Operation Northwoods (which is real its on wikipedia). Its shows the USA planning staged terror events as an excuse to go after Castro. Some guy didnt make it up, it's as real as the sun rise this morning. Ok? Tuck that between you ass cheeks alright? You want to call it fake? fine just deny whatever you want. Play favorites and see how far you get before you get knocked off your high horse. Getting tired of talking to people who have the same IQ as an expired jar of mayonaise.

 

[LightBearer]

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BUT, the main irony here is: (EMPHASIS):

There is a large group of scholarly and brilliant, educated, and truly OPEN-MINDED people who have looked at the evidence without pre-bias, from BOTH sides, and STILL conclude that the evidence DOES NOT in the FINAL ANALYSIS, support your assertions.

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You mean like NIST being full of Bush apointees? Thats not biased. get a life dude.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&ct=result&cd=1&q=NIST+bush+appointed&spell=1

 

[myselftheother]

LB..you must realize that your own insults to us 'sheep' seriously discredits you and makes us 'sheep' laugh at you and your 'truth. Most of us right now are here to poon, talk about pooning, be mildly emtertained, and have a few discussions.

While the point of your messages and posts are sorta compelling, you've come off as a screaming mimi/chicken little/insane in the membrane tit. This is why we don't really care about yoyr posts and put downs. You're a true believer, that's obvious. This is your god. Your messiah is youtube, your prophet, Alex Jones...nice that you believe.

Alas, we do believe the politicians are goofy, foolhardy, corrupt imbeceils who are sucking as much as they can from the big tit. We do believe that it's all in the shitter, pretty much, and voting is nearly a waste of money, time,etc.

Nobody attacked us on 9/11. It was aliens.

 

[CJ Tylers]

That grain of truth you talk about is the exsact thing that keeps people in religions. Every religion, mainly christian, has some good evidence to prove that the religion is true but they NEVER have enough evidence to prove it without a doubt. It is called faith.

So you have faith that Pearl harbour was alloud to happen ?

You have faith that 9/11 was an inside job ?

Uh...you mean the declassified government documents, investigated on 60 minutes (I believe) and brought up in newspapers around the country are not proof?

Hey,I can go to the library of congress and look up those papers...touch them... see them for my own eyes. This was a document crafted by records keeping in government at the time of the incident. You can't do that with "god".

A grain of truth is an inexplicable, proven fact that can't be denied. There is no need to have "faith" in it... I would say that alot of the zeigeist movie requires a leap of fath...but that there are kernels of truth to be found there.

As for religion relying on a seed of truth, I'm afraid that you can't really compare the two. Let's take the christian bible. It was crafted over a hundred years after christs supposed death. It detailed the life of a man, many men, of whom historians and archiologists have been unable to even find a trace of... in the biblical sense. Entire cities were created out of fairy tales, or perhaps misplaced but based on actual cities of the time... which makes it difficult to verify anything.

There was no standard of record keeping at the time. There was no reason to do so. As a growing religion, christianity managed to acquire for its savior the mystical abilities of every other divine being that had a following at the time. It borrows heavily upon Zorastrianism.

Lastly, there is the question of why. Why would a government fabricate falsified documents, at the time, that would cast a decidedly horrific pall upon its record of protecting its own people? The bible, in comparison, religion, by comapirson, is a finely crafted mechanism of controlling a populace through faith or fear... whichever works better.

Moreso in the past than now, perhaps... although we only need to look to radical fundementalists (regardless of their religion) to see that things haven't changed as much as we'd like.

But if you have DECLASSIFIFIED documents like Operation Northwoods (which is real its on wikipedia).

I had to cringe at this one... wikipedia, while attracting more scholarly types with actual information and facts at their disposal... is able to be edited by anyone and everyone. Simply because something is found on wikipedia does not ensure that it is actually true.

 

[myselftheother]

I agree on CJ's post mostly, but just one point on the mythical cities. Jerusalem is actually there, and they have found Sodom and Gomora. Other than that, good post rather than the screaming banshee's.

 

[CJ Tylers]

I was not aware that they had found sodom and gamora. I wouldn't mind a link to read about them, if you happen to have one. I'm something of a geek for history.

Jerusalem is of course the caveat when it comes to the listed towns etc. I was referring to pretty much every other location mentioned in the bible as being mythical.

 

[wess]

You mean like NIST being full of Bush apointees? Thats not biased. get a life dude.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&ct=result&cd=1&q=NIST+bush+appointed&spell=1

What does your ideal world look like ?

 

[wess]

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Well if you think you can have one foot in the conspiracy door and still not look like an idiot then your dreaming. You either believe that the Islamic world is a spoof or you dont.



List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months (could not fit on page)

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2009.02.14 Afghanistan Khost 1 2 Sunni radicals assassinate a local governor.
2009.02.13 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 0 Four Afghan policemen are killed by the Taliban in a roadside bombing.
2009.02.13 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 A man and his son are murdered in their home by Sunni gunmen.
2009.02.13 Algeria Fum 7 0 An infant and two women are among seven people blown up by Islamic fundamentalists.
2009.02.13 Iraq Karbala 39 60 A female suicide bomber detonates in a tent full of Shia pilgrims, sending nearly forty souls to Allah.
2009.02.13 Afghanistan Kohat 2 0 The Taliban shoot dead two women for 'immoral' behavior, then dump their burka-clad bodies in a ditch.
2009.02.12 Afghanistan Paktika 1 5 A suicide bomber murders a police officer who stops to help him.
2009.02.12 Somalia Mogadishu 2 6 Two laborers die from shrapnel injuries when Mujahideen mortar a seaport.
2009.02.12 Ingushetia Nazran 4 2 Four Russians are killed when Islamic militants detonate a bomb during a raid.
2009.02.12 Thailand Pattani 3 1 Islamic bombers kill three policemen guarding teachers from attacks.
2009.02.12 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 1 Taliban militants murder a police officer in an unprovoked rocket attack. A second policeman is killed elsewhere.
2009.02.12 Iraq Mosul 4 5 Jihadis take out four local cops with a roadside bomb.
2009.02.11 Iraq Baghdad 2 18 Two Shia pilgrims are murdered by Sunni bombers in separate attacks.
2009.02.11 Afghanistan Logar 4 0 Four local soldiers are killed in a Taliban roadside bombing on their vehicle.
2009.02.11 Pakistan Peshawar 1 8 A local lawmaker is murdered by a bomb planted by suspected Islamists.
2009.02.11 Afghanistan Kabul 28 57 Suicidal Sunnis attack two government buildings, randomly shooting nearly thirty office workers to death.
2009.02.11 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Religion of Peace terrorists shoot two men to death as they are standing in front of a school.
2009.02.11 Jordan Amman 1 0 A 24-year-old woman is stabbed to death in bed by her brother, who suspects her of having an affair.
2009.02.11 Iraq Baghdad 16 44 Jihadis explode a pair of bombs at a bus station, slaughtering sixteen Iraqis.
2009.02.11 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 40-year-old man is gunned down in a Muslim drive-by attack.
2009.02.10 Pakistan Hangu 17 30 Seventeen people are killed when Shia and Sunni rivals clash.
2009.02.10 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Sunni extremists gun down two policemen at a checkpoint.
2009.02.10 Thailand Pattani 2 1 Muslim extremists murder two people is separate drive-by attacks.
2009.02.09 Iraq Mosul 5 3 Four US soldiers and a local interpreter are killed by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.02.09 Afghanistan Nimroz 3 0 Three Afghans are taken out by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2009.02.09 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 0 Holy Warriors shoot two civilians to death in separate attacks.
2009.02.09 Afghanistan Khogyani 2 3 Islamic extremists detonate a bomb near a police vehicle, killing two local cops.
2009.02.09 Pakistan Baran Pul 5 17 A religious extremist detonates himself in a crowd, killing five other people.
2009.02.09 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 26-year-old woman is shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
2009.02.09 Pakistan Darra Adamkhel 13 38 Eleven children are among thirteen killed when Islamic militants shell a girl's school.
2009.02.09 Pakistan Khyber Agency 10 10 Rival Islamist groups clash, leaving ten people dead.
2009.02.09 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 An Indian Christian, who worked for a food chain, is reported dead four months after being abducted by Sunni extremists.
2009.02.09 Iraq Mosul 3 7 Mujahideen murder three Iraqis with a mortar strike.
2009.02.08 Pakistan Swat 1 0 Jihadis kidnap and decapitate a civilian.
2009.02.08 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic rebels shoot a 29-year-old civilian in the head along the side of a road.
2009.02.08 Somalia Mogadishu 3 7 A child is among three people killed in two attacks following calls for holy war.
2009.02.08 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 The Taliban release a video showing the beheading of a kidnapped Polish engineer.
2009.02.08 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Mujahideen ambush and kill three local soldiers.
2009.02.08 Iraq Baghdad 2 12 Two Shia pilgrims are murdered by Sunni bombers while walking along the side of a road.
2009.02.08 Pakistan Lakorain 1 1 A truck driver is shot to death by Taliban while on the job.
2009.02.07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Mujahideen gun down a 48-year-old rubber plantation worker.
2009.02.07 Pakistan Punjab 7 0 Seven local cops are murdered by Islamist attackers.
2009.02.07 Afghanistan Nangarhar 2 1 Two people are killed in two attacks by Islamic terrorists.
2009.02.06 Pakistan Miranshah 2 0 The Taliban abduct two civilians, kill them, then dump their bodies at a bus stop.
2009.02.06 Afghanistan Laghman 2 0 Taliban gunmen ambush and kill two local security men.
2009.02.06 Pakistan Kohat 1 2 Sunni radicals open fire on a passing bus, killing a passenger.
2009.02.05 Iraq Khanaqin 16 12 A horrific suicide bombing at a restaurant leaves sixteeen Iraqi patrons dead.
2009.02.05 Pakistan Swat 3 3 Religious extremists barge into a home, kill three women and kidnap three survivors.
2009.02.05 Pakistan Punjab 32 48 A suicide bomber at a rival religious procession sends more than 30 innocent souls to Allah.
2009.02.05 Pakistan Orakzai 1 0 Islamists kidnap and murder the head of a teachers association.
2009.02.04 Iraq Baqubah 8 0 Eight decapitated al-Qaeda victims are found in a mass grave.
2009.02.04 Afghanistan Helmand 6 0 A brutal Taliban roadside bombing leaves six Afghanis dead.
2009.02.04 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A journalist is assassinated by al-Shabaab gunmen.
2009.02.04 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 The head of a radio station is gunned down by suspected Islamists.
2009.02.03 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamic gunmen chase down a man with a pickup truck then shoot him to death.
2009.02.03 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two civilians are shot inside their homes by Mujahideen.
2009.02.03 Algeria Ait Chaafa 1 9 Fundamentalists kill a security officer with a bombing attack.
2009.02.03 Pakistan Swat 3 5 Islamic militants assault a police post, killing three local officers.
2009.02.03 Pakistan Orakzai 1 0 Fundamentalists behead a local civilian.
2009.02.03 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 1 18 One person is killed when an Islamic radical tosses a grenade into a rival mosque.
2009.02.02 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A Shia businessman is shot to death by Sunni extremists.
2009.02.02 Iraq Mosul 3 9 Three Iraqis are murdered by Mujahideen roadside bombers.
2009.02.02 Afghanistan Uruzgan 21 8 A Fedayeen suicide bomber murders over twenty local police trainees at their facility.
2009.02.02 Pakistan Punjab 1 0 A local leader is gunned down is a sectarian incident.
2009.02.02 Pakistan Swat 8 0 Eight people are shot to death by Taliban militants in various attacks.
2009.02.02 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two security personnel are beheaded by Muslim militants, who also burn the bodies.
2009.02.01 Philippines Siocon 4 1 Moro Islamists capture four gold prospectors, hog-tie them and then hack them to death with machetes.
2009.02.01 Dagestan Makhachkala 4 0 Suspected Islamists open fire on a cafe, killing four patrons.
2009.01.31 Pakistan Swat 3 1 Taliban militants ambush and kill three local security personnel.
2009.01.30 Iraq Baiji 1 1 Sunni terrorists open fire on a polling station, killing an American guard.
2009.01.29 Pakistan Miranshah 1 0 Sunni radicals kidnap and shoot a 30-year-old local man.
2009.01.29 Pakistan Tal 1 4 Religious extremists slit the throat of a policeman.
2009.01.28 Iraq Kirkuk 2 0 Sunni extremists attack a polling station, killing two guards.
2009.01.28 Pakistan Mingora 8 0 Eight bullet-ridden victims of Taliban justice are found.
2009.01.27 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 10 Taliban bombers blow up a minibus killing four civilians.
2009.01.27 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 1 0 A second Shia civilian is gunned down in as many days by sectarian extremists.
2009.01.27 Iraq Mosul 3 3 Three Iraqis are killed in a car bomb attack on Kurds by suspected Sunnis terrorists.
2009.01.27 Israel Kissufim 1 2 Palestinian bombers murder an Israelis border guard.
2009.01.27 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A Buddhist married couple is brutally murdered by Muslim gunmen in a drive-by attack.
2009.01.26 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Islamists gun down a 26-year-old civilian.
2009.01.26 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 6 22 Sunni radicals detonate a bicycle bomb in a public area, killing six civilians.
2009.01.26 Pakistan Lahore 1 0 A 45-year-old woman is stabbed to death by her son on suspicion of an illicit relationship.
2009.01.26 Somalia Baidoa 4 10 Four people are killed when al-Shabaab terrorists hurl a grenade into a bus stop.
2009.01.26 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 0 Religious militants kidnap a man, chop off his hand and then execute him.
2009.01.26 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A Shia leader is assassinated by Sunni gunmen.
2009.01.25 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A factory worker is shot to death by Mujahideen while driving with his wife.
2009.01.25 Iran Saravan 12 0 A dozen policemen are killed by a Sunni terror group, 'Soldiers of Allah.'
2009.01.24 Pakistan Khairabad 1 0 A night cleaner at a police station is killed by a Sunni rocket.
2009.01.24 Somalia Mogadishu 15 24 Fifteen bus passengers on a public bus are blown to bits by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.01.24 Iraq Fallujah 5 14 Five Iraqis are taken out in a vicious Fedayeen truck bombing.
2009.01.24 Pakistan Bannu 1 0 Suspected Islamists kidnap and murder a local civilian.
2009.01.24 Israel Ashkelon 1 0 A young Arab mother is stabbed to death over suspected immorality
2009.01.24 Pal. Auth. Gaza 1 0 Hamas executes a 46-year-old human rights activist.
2009.01.24 Thailand Yala 4 0 Four construction workers are murdered by Islamist gunmen at a building site.
2009.01.23 Thailand Yala 3 0 A 65-year-old woman is among three civilians gunned down in separate Mujahideen drive-by attacks.
2009.01.23 Pakistan Swat 2 0 Fundamentalists stab a man to death over his 'un-Islamic' style of dress, then travel to his house where they murder his father.
2009.01.23 Iraq Baghdad 8 0 Five women and a 12-year-old girl are among eight Sunni family members murdered in their home by sectarian rivals.
2009.01.23 Iraq Baghdad 1 1 A 7-year-old boy is killed, and his mother injured, by a hidden bomb.
2009.01.23 Pakistan Mingora 3 1 A woman is among three civilians murdered in a Jihad roadside attack.
2009.01.23 Pakistan Mingora 2 22 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills two local soldiers.
2009.01.23 Afghanistan Kabul 6 0 Six people, including an Indian husband and wife are shot dead when the Taliban fire into a home.
2009.01.22 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A shopowner is murdered in his store by Mujahideen gunmen.
2009.01.22 Iraq Kut 4 0 Parents and their two children are wiped out inside their home by Jihadi gunmen.
2009.01.22 Pakistan Derpakhel 1 0 A civilivan is kidnapped and brutally

 

[LightBearer]

And these terrorist are funded by governments. Not just the USA. Mumbai was MI-6.

 

[LightBearer]

There are real home grown terrorists out there. After having there homes and mosques and loved ones killed by special forces you'd probably look for revenge. Just imagine carrying half your daughters mangled body care of an airstrike to free you from your dictator which was put there by the very same people now evicting him. Saddam was put in power with rumsfelds help. If there wer Russians or Chinese or whatever military running around Canada like in Iraq please tell me you'd fight back. But then you'll be called a terrorist. Its not terror its self defense. USA has no right or reason to be in Iraq or Afghanistan. Its like going up to a bee hive and hitting it with a bat. Over 1 million dead Iraqi's for there freedom, permanent military bases. They are not leaving.

As far as terrorist being able to carry out 9/11 sized attacks. that doesnt happen without inside help. Now I AM NOT DOUBTING THE WTC WOULD HAVE COLLAPSED. Just not that fast into dust. Did you guys see that 47-story tower in China last week? Burned for over 24 hours and its still there.
the entire thing is on fire, it looks fucking amazing, but its still there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSPFL2Zlpg

Religious proof is intangible, this political stuff I offer can be seen on video, or documented or even admitted. Its not FAITH its FACT.

 

[wess]

And these terrorist are funded by governments. Not just the USA. Mumbai was MI-6.

First major wave of Jihad:The arabs- 622-750 AD

Second major wave of Jihad:The Turks- 1071-1683 AD

I know Donald Rumsfeld is old but...........

 

[LightBearer]

I'm talking modern day terrorists. Al-CIA da isnt that old.
Survivor of bus bomb in London 7/7. Daniel Obachike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y9nvj70xc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFzxOS3x7bI&feature=related

 

[wess]

There are real home grown terrorists out there. After having there homes and mosques and loved ones killed by special forces you'd probably look for revenge. Just imagine carrying half your daughters mangled body care of an airstrike to free you from your dictator which was put there by the very same people now evicting him. Saddam was put in power with rumsfelds help. If there wer Russians or Chinese or whatever military running around Canada like in Iraq please tell me you'd fight back. But then you'll be called a terrorist. Its not terror its self defense. USA has no right or reason to be in Iraq or Afghanistan. Its like going up to a bee hive and hitting it with a bat. Over 1 million dead Iraqi's for there freedom, permanent military bases. They are not leaving.

As far as terrorist being able to carry out 9/11 sized attacks. that doesnt happen without inside help. Now I AM NOT DOUBTING THE WTC WOULD HAVE COLLAPSED. Just not that fast into dust. Did you guys see that 47-story tower in China last week? Burned for over 24 hours and its still there.
the entire thing is on fire, it looks fucking amazing, but its still there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSPFL2Zlpg

Religious proof is intangible, this political stuff I offer can be seen on video, or documented or even admitted. Its not FAITH its FACT.

Look who has finally conceded that muslim terrorism exsists!

About Iraq,the 2 week war that it took the bring down Saddam Hussains regime killed less civilians then the attacks on 9/11. The rest of the deaths in Iraq are muslim on muslim, Sunni vs Shite.

 

[wess]

A word from the Pentagon.

After being asked about the development of laser guided missiles.

"On ethical grounds, one prays that each warhead deployed during a sortie will strike only its intended target, and that innocent civilians will not be harmed by a misfire. From a tactical standpoint, our military desires weaponry that is reliable and effective, inflicting maximal damage on valid military targets and ensuring our capacity for lightning-fast strikes with pinpoint accuracy. Guided missile systems help fulfill all of these demands."

 

[LightBearer]

And those real terrorists can barely make a car bomb. Let alone carry out 9/11. They PAY people to preach anti-western/jihadist stuff in Mosques, like in the USA there are priests paid to say "turn in your guns, Jesus is coming back". etc. I mean hey if your gonan get 77 virigns for doing it why not? I find it hard to believe that God would reward people with virgins when theres probably better stuff to find throughout the universe.

 

[LightBearer]

A word from the Pentagon.

After being asked about the development of laser guided missiles.

"On ethical grounds, one prays that each warhead deployed during a sortie will strike only its intended target, and that innocent civilians will not be harmed by a misfire. From a tactical standpoint, our military desires weaponry that is reliable and effective, inflicting maximal damage on valid military targets and ensuring our capacity for lightning-fast strikes with pinpoint accuracy. Guided missile systems help fulfill all of these demands."

You mean like depeted uranium? All the lovely birth defects? Ethical? LOL

 

[LightBearer]

Remeber you said that us anarchists will cause a nuke to go off overe here? Well heres a comic from the London Telegraph that shows just that, take a look.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4590877/Blackjack---Part-4.html?image=1

 

[blazejowski]

Did you know that 64% of statistics are made up?

 

[LightBearer]

And how about you prove your statement. Or should we have faith in you?

 

[blazejowski]

And how about you prove your statement. Or should we have faith in you?

If you'll have a look at the enclosed Pie Chart...