No, it doesn`t. The defender can`t be expected to have x-ray vision. If the aggressor is still attempting to come towards him what is he supposed to do? Wait to be assaulted again?
See above.
You like McDonald's? Well you gonna get your ass beat hard then.
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it seems like no one knows what self defence is. 
He was attacked first! So, he has the right to beat them down. And the girls are supposed to stay down and freeze until the workers can separate all of them! Clearly the workers are trying to separate them. But the girls did not freeze and stay down. That's why got beaten again!
He was attacked first! So, he has the right to beat them down. And the girls are supposed to stay down and freeze until the workers can separate all of them! Clearly the workers are trying to separate them. But the girls did not freeze and stay down. That's why got beaten again!Is that how they do it in China?it seems like no one knows what self defence is.
You are entitled to disagree, now come here so I can beat you with a metal pipe for doing so
.His bad judgement was that he not only put himself at risk, but also his co-workers. Keeping what could possibly be a fake $50.00 bill was not worth the possibility that the girls involved may not have been alone, they could have had somone else with them that could have been carrying a gun.
I have dealt with situations such as this and have had people pull things from a knife to a dirty needle, in one case it was a fake $20.00 bill, the person asked for it back and when my co-worker refused the person pulled out a dirty needle and threatened to stick him with it if the fake bill was not returned. Needless to say I told him to return the fake bill and let the person leave the premise.
People have been shot for much less and it is not worth the grief/trauma that can ensue. He went beyond self defense and is now going to have to deal with a 2nd strike and if found guilty faces the possibility of a longer sentence due to his previous conviction, to me that is bad judgement.
The girls that attacked him, well they will hopefully learn from this(I highly doubt it) but it may give them pause the next time they think they can intimidate/attack a complete stranger. They could have dealt with it in a rational manner and if the money was authentic, they could have called the cpos to get it back, if it was fake they could have left with out confrontation.
When he got the crow bar, he should've not swung it right away, but instead held it in a defensive position and only swung if they continued to approach him.
That would've been the best thing to do (for his legal defense) if he were thinking clearly, but frankly I couldn't blame him.
If it were me, I probably would've done similarly.
If it were at my home, I would've beat them until I was sure they were dead.
That would've been the best thing to do (for his legal defense) if he were thinking clearly, but frankly I couldn't blame him.
If it were me, I probably would've done similarly.
If it were at my home, I would've beat them until I was sure they were dead.
That may have been how he was trained. Tons of businesses don`t accept $50 or $100 bills or the employee is supposed to check each $50 or $100. He tried to do that and got attacked. He wasn`t chasing after a shoplifter or arguing with an armed robber.
Prove it.
Two hits. When you have two hits that have broken bones, you should maybe stop to consider that one was enough.
Again, you're sure based on no evidence, but an obvious logical chain is not good enough. Was Mr. McDonald's wearing the wrong uniform?
I can understand your point of view, I was merely explaining why in my opinion there was bad judgement from both parties involved and that acting in a rational matter could have resolved it before developing into the clusterfuck that ensued and now has now ruined 3 peoples lives.
I believe he had every right to defend himself, but hittting a downed person in the head with a metal bar, that is excessive in my opinion. There was no self restraint from either side, but in the end it is up to the legal system to make the decision and we know how fucked up it can be.
So you`re arguing that the average citizen has x-ray vision.
LMFAO! Yup, based on no evidence of intent I won`t cry assault. It`s been my entire argument so far...I probably won`t change my mind.
If he was a cop he could expect dealing with violence as part of his job. Working in McD`s and having everybody in your place of work put the onus on you to defend yourself until they think your attacker has had enough is bullshit. The stupid blonde bitch didn`t give a fuck until she no longer felt scared. Then it was `OMG! Stop it!!`
Rayon defended himself. Violence is ugly.
dude should have given the bitch with the blonde hair and the loud mouth a whack while he was at it...
Sorry Umbras. I do respect what you said and wasn`t trying to be a dick. I just don`t think his actions can be regarded as excessive when...
1. his coworkers and customers stood there and watched him get attacked
2. His attackers deliberately tried to cut his exits off
2 is the big one. They cornered him. If you don`t have reasonable means of escape deadly force is justifiable.
Yeah and the family of the condemned are charged for the cost of the bullet. I had talks with a few people who moved from mainland China to Canada and one person told me how a group of elderly women beat a man to death for stealing a purse, they do not fuck around over there.another easy case in china! haha! just saying.
No worries man and did not even think you were coming off in such a way.
I can relate to his position, I was in a similar position about 17 years ago(1993 or 1994) and talked 8 guys into thinking it would be a bad idea to attack me, granted the youngest was around 14 and the oldest was 19, I made it clear that if they attacked me, one of them would be seriously crippled or dead and then asked who was going to be the sacrificial lamb, they decided it was not worth the risk.
I had not done anything to offend them but my friend at the time had looked at them from across the street(he subsequently left me standing outside cornered at the entrance to Me and Ed's Pizza place, the door opens outwards and my buddy retreated inside unbeknownst to me until I heard the door close behind me leaving me to face them alone.
Two weeks later just down the street at the McDonalds by the old Middlegate Mall location in Burnaby they attacked a man 7 to 10 years older than me stabbing him and another man who tried to stop the attack multiple times, I told my friend that if he ever wanted me to hang out at his place again that he was going to have to move.
So I can sympathise that he was put in that position, no one should ever have to deal with shit like that and maybe he lost control, only he knows what his true intent was.
He was charged for felony possession of an illegal weapon!! The dude found a stick at work and the law is now claiming it`s an illegal weapon and charging him for finding and using it.
She was like a fat chicken squawking around the farm yard with its head cut off. That whole scene was like watching a bunch of animals at a feed trough.
Anyway, if he is to be charged, it should've been for "battery" because some of that assault was a bit unnecessary. However, that is probably a more serious charge than "felony possession of an illegal weapon", especially that the weapon in question is questionably illegal. Seems to me the prosecution was forced to charge him, so they gave him an easy charge to get out of. I'd say they looked kindly on him under the circumstances.
his lawyer should find similar cases in the past. i would say it's legal weapon because you have to be lightning fast to defend yourself. otherwise, you'll be dead! so yeah, i think there's a big chance that he'll win the appeal!
People, remember that you have to defend yourself at a lightning fast speed! So, it is clearly a perfect self defense. western culture is so f'ed up because people are too concern on their own rights and totally too forgetful on other people's rights!
