would you seek help, if your life was spiraling out of control

[sevenofnine]

im just curious, if you felt your life spiraling out of control.

you had thoughts of suicide, maybe not going alone taking people with you, killing lots of people
even planning it,

if you heard voices in your head telling you to kill your wife and kids

would you not seek help.
would you not clue in this is not normal, and it isn't going to end well.

like this guy in Toronto he is so young, he could have sixty years or so to live, now it will all be spent in jail.
even a pathetic fucking college kid has to have a better life then someone in jail or in the ground.
and there is always tomorrow right, who knows what next year will bring.
but if you fucking kill someone or yourself there is no next year.

I spent a lot of time alone as a young person.
and just finding a place in the park, away from the city, can be extremely peaceful and bring its own rewards.
reading a book drawing writing, going for a long bike ride,
one of the most joyous moments in my life have been being alone on my bike and just ripping down a path,

I dunno what really im trying to say,
but if something is wrong, you know, you just know this isn't going to end well,
wouldn't you not fix it,
as opposed to end it.

 

[penguy]

I'm no doctor, but i believe mental heath plays a big part in this, what your writing above is your view on a situation, in your mind, your thinking that if you woke up tomorrow with these thoughts, you would seek help, of course you would, so would i....but most these people that end up in these situations, did not grow up like you, even myself raised by a single parent, who did not share emotions with me, i learned to not share with others, its in my head that i don't do that, now my situation is very mild to a lot of other people, but just one small example of how different upbringings can effect people differently. whats normal to some is not the same at all to others....and times "others" by....7.442 billion.

 

[sybian]

im just curious, if you felt your life spiraling out of control.

you had thoughts of suicide, maybe not going alone taking people with you, killing lots of people
even planning it,

if you heard voices in your head telling you to kill your wife and kids

would you not seek help.
would you not clue in this is not normal, and it isn't going to end well.

like this guy in Toronto he is so young, he could have sixty years or so to live, now it will all be spent in jail.
even a pathetic fucking college kid has to have a better life then someone in jail or in the ground.
and there is always tomorrow right, who knows what next year will bring.
but if you fucking kill someone or yourself there is no next year.

I spent a lot of time alone as a young person.
and just finding a place in the park, away from the city, can be extremely peaceful and bring its own rewards.
reading a book drawing writing, going for a long bike ride,
one of the most joyous moments in my life have been being alone on my bike and just ripping down a path,

I dunno what really im trying to say,
but if something is wrong, you know, you just know this isn't going to end well,
wouldn't you not fix it,
as opposed to end it.

It's listening to the people around you that is the hardest thing to do......they see you circling the toilet bowl.
Accepting their view on your mental demeanour is almost impossible....throwing you further into the darkness.
Denial is a very powerful thing.
I've had to come to grips with what I've done....People think it was justified by a theatre of war.
After living through complete adrenaline highs, justified by an attitude I was just doing my job, or duty.
I returned home, and sank into classic PTSD symptoms, and self loathing.
The guilt I felt was overpowering.
Friends recognized what was going on, and after an awful lot of denial, I sought professional help.
I never got to the point of hurting myself or others ....I'm not sure if that was coming or not?
I've been in counciling groups when other people deny there's a problem....they point fingers at everyone else, but themselves....some see the point of light through the abyss....others remain there to this very day.
Sometimes you wish you could just smack them on the back of their head, and make them listen...but it's a journey they must take themselves, although they need to accept the guidance.
I'm not sure if there is a point of being to far gone, to return....I suppose everyone's mental strength, and trauma is different, and I do believe timing in intervention is everything...although that's only my personal opinion.

 

[clu]

By the sounds of it, the very premise of this Incel mentality is that their "misfortune" is someone else's problem. Neither introspection nor accepting others' insight seems to be part of their recipe.

 

[sybian]

In the most severe cases; If that person is suffering from psychosis, they’re likely to be too far detached from reality to ask for help.

The problem is .....They think that THEY are the only ones that can see the true reality.
Everyone else is living in a nightmare.

 

[sevenofnine]

my child hood was not at all nice,
im not sure it has anything to do with the way we grew up,
I had a rough childhood, and struggled did some things not proud of, still doing some things not proud of,

but I did in some ways what made no sense to other people but did what I needed to do for me, find peace.
even seeing a hooker,
no one will understand it, a married man, with kids, seeing a hooker as a good thing,
but I wasn't a happy camper, not in the least I was going down and dragging everyone down with me.
I found some one I liked and could talk to,

any way,
something timely about this,
there was a suicide just the other day, some one close to the family,
my age,
married lots of kids and grandchildren ,
happy as far as any one could tell.
thought his life a failure. and hung himself.

in many ways, he was more successful then me, not as messed up and popular, successful in life and business in the community
by any measure he was more successful then me.
but thought himself a failure and hung himself

I think its a failure to comprehend reality myself
to really understand life and ones role in it.

some people even called him selfish like ten or so immediate family he had including grandchildren, and he couldn't find enough reason to carry on for
anyone of them
will we ever understand mental illness