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I have a few questions .. You said it was not an arranged marriage but you went home to find a bride , how did you meet her, and why did she marry you .
Besides wanting to leave India, Did she want to leave..?

Is she of a lower cast or higher( if that still exists , it does in some peoples mind.) And was there some one that she loved that you toke her a way from?

I know they are personal , but i am just trying to understand why she would marry you and ten not want to be a wife and part of your family ,, Getting married to escape one thing that you r not happy with and get in to a marriage that you just make every one else unhappy about sound really strange.
 

island-guy

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He later told us, he had covered sex with her 1 time during the year, she never kissed him once. They are staying together, cause she hasn't been here long enough yet or something. Sounds like a great time for him.
He is clearly a moron.

She is using him to get a Canadian citizenship and he's getting nothing in return but a big fat alimony bill when she divorces him the day after she gets her citizenship.

I bet he'd be getting whatever he wanted in bed if he told her that he was going to send her back to India without her Canadian citizenship otherwise..
 

Bobo The Rabbit

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Drop her, after 3 years of marriage she can not even pretend to show respect to your parents?
Her comment about generating feelings for someone she doesn't care about is enough reason for you to leave her. Respecting ones in-laws is basic common courtesy, its nothing special in any culture.
She has issues about sex and she doesn't care enough about you to even try and get past them, who cares if she was raped or molested which could be the only things stopping her from sex at this point. After four years she should have developed enough affection towards you to try and make you happy just as you have developed enough towards her that you try and make her happy.
She is not worth your effort any longer.

A lot of people don't understand arranged marriages and you wont as you don't understand the culture, so trying to chastise the guy for getting married to the girl is silly.
Arranged marriages work as long as both the guy and girl are at heart nice and good people, its not hard to get along and feel love and affection towards a nice normal person. If your a nice and normal man then that only leaves the dysfunction on her.
 

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This fellow should see a lawyer ASAP. Although rude, island guy is probably right. The lwr will likely want to file for divorce now. This could be to your advantage, to wait opens all sorts of doors, all of which will screw you. Sorry bout the choice of words.

Get rid of her now!
 

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A lot of people don't understand arranged marriages and you wont as you don't understand the culture, so trying to chastise the guy for getting married to the girl is silly.
Arranged marriages work as long as both the guy and girl are at heart nice and good people, its not hard to get along and feel love and affection towards a nice normal person. If your a nice and normal man then that only leaves the dysfunction on her.
Nothing wrong with arranged marriages, so long as you get to "try before you buy" and have a right to VETO.

Otherwise, how on earth do you, as you say, make sure that the guy/girl is "at heart nice and good person" ? and not a complete sexual basket-case or psychonut?

How you actually find the guy/girl is pretty much irrelevant (although if you met them at a support group for violent sociopaths, you might want to re-think the marriage proposal), but once you are together, take the time to make sure that they aren't a lesbian BEFORE you marry them.
 

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No one who is getting an arranged marriage is trying before you buy, it does not go with the culture behind arranged marriages to do so.
The best arranged marriages are if you and me are friends and I know your looking to get married and I also know a girl who might be a family friend and I know she is a nice girl and also looking to get married. So I know both families are nice and good and for years I have known you and the girl and I think you two might work so I introduce the two families and then you and the girl can meet each other and get to know one another a little (and you two decide if you want to get married), that doesn't mean fuck or even kiss before marriage, unless your from bad families.

Also caste is a big thing, caste really does make a difference 90% of the time. There will always be people that can be better than their caste or worse.
Caste has a lot to do with family values and upbringing, of course in Canada it doesn't have to do with economic power as it does back in the old country.

The whole caste thing and what makes a good family is a touchy topic as no one wants to be told "your worth less than I am simply because your family for generations has been poor" and due to this poverty your family is more prone to being douche bags vs a family with better morals and more money.
It wont make sense to white Canadians unless we had a couple hours to sit down and really talk.
 
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Glen or Glenda?

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Someone mentioned taking a vacation together...have you tried that? How 'bout something as simple as a long walk together? It's amazing how much stuff come out after spending some alone time together out in the fresh air. In the meantime it should be just about the two of you...leave your families out of it until you can find some common ground. It's too soon to consider divorce without trying some simple things first...your financial liability is minimal and maybe even non-extistent if you've both been working since the onset of your marriage and earning the same levels of income.
 

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Hi everybody, thanks once again for responding. I sincerely appreciate it. I'm going to try and address some of the questions you guys have asked, here.

Many of you are thinking she's using me for immigration purposes; not the case, she has enough work experience to get papers on her own. Also, she has family in Canada, who'd gladly apply for/sponsor her.

@MissJames, I had no idea that she didn't have similar values - in fact, she showed herself to be very similar before our marriage! @chilli, I'm not a big fan of male chauvinism, although I do agree that I should have set the tone of the relationship (in terms of emotional and sexual exchange) from the very beginning. She actually earns more than I do, and I'd dare say she does love (?) me a lot. Which is why breaking up is such a hard decision.

@lenny, thanks for making me laugh man. I need laughs right now.

Some of you are wondering if it was an arranged marriage and what part caste has in all this. It wasn't an arranged marriage. I met her a few months before we got married, fell madly in love, and pressurized both our families to accept our relationship. That's actually how it's done in the Indian subcontinent if it's a non-arranged marriage.

We didn't have sex before we got married because of, once again, cultural sentiments. So there was no question of 'test driving'. But we did get physically quite intimate then, helping each other with masturbation and reach orgasms. Strangely, that's also the most I ever got AFTER our marriage, save that one night of 'post-potential divorce awareness' sex.

We both come from the same caste and culture, and none of our families our even remotely orthodox about these things, so caste certainly didn't play a role.

@Glen or Glenda, unfortunately I really don't feel like taking a vacation anymore. I'm just too unconvinced about her 'love' after all these years. Proposing something as simple as a long walk or similar wouldn't work, she's just not that kinda person. Due to cultural reasons, leaving family out of this is very hard - it's just something that's not common where I come from. Have you ever been to the Indian-majority areas of your city? We tend to live like happy rats; families just keep growing.. Our parents live with us, and when we get married our spouse's parents and relatives become as good as our own. They become part of our family, as we theirs'. That's just the way we are. Besides, being the only surviving child of my parents, I really can't NOT live with my parents (which is, once again, the norm anyway).

Despite that, believe me, family isn't ever really a big deal within the aspects of our problem. If it were, now that we live apart, shouldn't I not, ever, have any feelings of resentment towards my marriage? That's not the case, you see.

I have come to realize that my problem doesn't really have a sexual side to it - it's entirely emotional/value-centric, since sex IS an emotional act. You expect to show and be shown your love for each other by making love. If somebody isn't doing that for you, the love is amiss.

@Bobo the Rabbit, you'll probably understand this part better than others due to cultural exposure (I hope you read this!) - my wife holds a grudge against one of my aunts for saying stuff about her family and blames all of us (!) for 'legitimizing' it. Which is absolutely untrue - I have never seen my parents say anything offensive to my wife (although she would bizzarly take offense at very normal conversation exchanges). I myself cut off all ties with my aunt for that, valuing my wife's opinion above my mother's defense of her only sister. I believe my wife expected a public reprimandation of my aunt or something from my parents, which of course they didn't do, and this permanently pissed her off about them..

Which is why when they came to see us after three long years they were very clearly ignored by her. She barely ever had a decent conversation with them, most of the time just went to work, came back home, didn't even look at the person opening the door and went back to her room. Pointed out that my parents weren't really very interesting people, she couldn't find a thing to talk about with them. Very grudgingly decided to join us for dinner, sometimes. Whenever my parents tried to talk to her she wouldn't even look at them while talking. On the other hand, two of her 'mamas' (uncles) came to visit while my parents were here; she was all chatty and cooking special dishes for them. Even in her mamas' presence, she would cut off the three of us from any conversations by simply ignoring us.

Moreover, she chose to visit India to attend the festivities to celebrate her newborn nephew, WHILE my parents were here. Before she left, when I sought an explanation, she told me her parents are going through a bad patch, her dad possibly was having an affair with some other woman, yadda yadda, which she needed to sort out under the guise of this visit. Which is bull once again, because her parents had been having those problems for quite some time, and she could have easily visited India before my parents were here if she wanted to. Heck, HER parents even complained about her going to India then, saying it didn't look right... Regarding the special occasion, she never took part in arranging the date for it, which she easily could have.

Speaking of her parents and family, they BARELY have any social ties with us, routinely turning down invitations for dinner parties and such - so much so that my relatives are very pissed with them and don't invite them anymore. Incidentally, when my in-laws invited some of my relatives to that newborn crapfest, my relatives reported that nothing had changed at all - they just didn't feel welcome despite the presence of my wife, her parents and her relatives.

In short, she's really affectionate towards me - that I can't deny. She's also emotionally quite dependent on me (but strangely doesn't care about my emotions very much). If I were to be gone, she'd be devastated for sure, which is why I can't do it still... will have to find the courage somehow. I am sexually and mentally cracking apart. My dad is almost clinically depressed because of the shit I go through everyday, although I never tell them anything anymore. One time I did end up telling them I wanted a divorce, and amazingly, they were sympathizing with my wife... saying she's not very sensible or sensitive but she's not a bad person (I agree), etc etc... Maybe the divorce-is-a-taboo in Indian culture played a part, I don't know; but they clearly don't resent my wife or anything, however aloof she is...

My plans to grant her as much time as she needs to grow up has clearly flopped. I've come to learn that what people need to 'feel' isn't time, it's sincere emotion.
 

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Why not ask her why she never wants sex
Iam assuming this girl was a virgin till you?
Maybe she doesn't like it yet

Parents don't get along
That's tough but 2 sides to that story?
In my dating life some gf's parents loved me
And still keep in contact with one of the dads we go to hockey games together
The daughter is married to someone he hates
And I have had parents hate me the instant they met me, and it never improved
 

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@bcneil Yes she was a virgin. When I asked her why she didn't one sex on a particular occasion she'd give me one excuse or another... she's tired, stressed out from her job, hardly gets any free time so would want to go out for dinner instead, is having her period, has a headache, not feeling will although with no signs of fever or anything, etc etc... When I expressed my displeasure she started fighting, she blaming me that I was 'emotionally blackmailing' her by complaining about us not having sex. She tells me that she wants to have sex with me, but same string of excuses... When I told her ok, let's fix a date, say this night... turns out she still has the same excuses... Never did she take time off or make an effort to address our lack of intimacy. Once she was on a break from work and at home for 3 weeks... not even then. Is it wrong of me the want sex so bad? I have needs, can I be blamed for that??

Now that our marital problems are undeniable, she tells ME that I never managed to create the atmosphere she wants! Well, I tried everything - ranging from discussing our fantasies and buying sexy lingerie for her. That all didn't work, and she didn't even tell me all this before? What crap. She's just not physically into me. Don't believe she doesn't like sex, you have to TRY it to not like it, right?!

Our parents now actually get along reasonably. She is the bigger wedge.
 

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If you think it's hopeless and the right thing is to divorce her; divorce her.. Don't listen to people who say 'why don't you try this?, how about this?' as people will quite often tell guys to hang into hopeless marriages for far longer than they would give women the same advice. If you still love her and think you have a shot at rekindling something figure out what would make the marriage workable for you, try to get both of you working on it, set a deadline on when you think you should see progress (but keep the deadline to yourself) and then honestly ask yourself on that deadline if enough progress has been made you think it's worthwhile to continue. If it is, continue and if not, get out. Also if it's obvious it's wrong don't listen to people who tell you it's too soon to consider divorce. Ask yourself honestly again if you see a chance of things improving. Listening to the 'too soon' argument from my experience has only led to years of a bad marriage and then an inevitable divorce. If there is a chance, take it. If there isn't end it.

Also don't listen to her if when you're breaking up she's telling you she'll 'change'. Changes that come about after that are nearly always short-lived until the other person feels comfortable about slipping back into their old patterns. The short-term change doesn't last.
 

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You should consider the possibility that the reason for her lack of sexual interest may be something terrible in her childhood (you know what I mean) that she really can't talk about. Unless a woman has severe cultural or religious hangups it is hard to imagine what else could be cause that sort of behaviour. Or perhaps she really just doesn't like you for some reason and your perception of your relationship is not her perception. The distance between the inlaws and the respective families strongly suggests that is the case.

If she won't or can't be open about it with you (which, btw, is a sign of lack of trust) then see a counselor, and if that doesn't work then divorce is the way to go. The way things are now you are clearly not happy (and I'm guessing neither is she) and obviously children are not on the cards, so why stay in the marriage if it cannot be repaired?
 

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@bcneil Yes she was a virgin. When I asked her why she didn't one sex on a particular occasion she'd give me one excuse or another... she's tired, stressed out from her job, hardly gets any free time so would want to go out for dinner instead, is having her period, has a headache, not feeling will although with no signs of fever or anything, etc etc... When I expressed my displeasure she started fighting, she blaming me that I was 'emotionally blackmailing' her by complaining about us not having sex. She tells me that she wants to have sex with me, but same string of excuses... When I told her ok, let's fix a date, say this night... turns out she still has the same excuses... Never did she take time off or make an effort to address our lack of intimacy. Once she was on a break from work and at home for 3 weeks... not even then. Is it wrong of me the want sex so bad? I have needs, can I be blamed for that??
This is unbelievable that you waited 4 years w/o any sex. Hopefully you at least got to wank off
to online porn daily, or at least a cold shower/wk. Otherwise, w/o any hookers, i have to question
your sex drive. Geez, not even as much as a single kiss from a woman in over 1300 days? Maybe
the problem is with you rather than her! Or were you doing the homo/animal thing? LOL
 

akcroy

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You should consider the possibility that the reason for her lack of sexual interest may be something terrible in her childhood (you know what I mean) that she really can't talk about.
I know nothing of that sort happened to her. Funny it's come up - actually, I used to be sexually molested as a kid by servants and a schizophrenic uncle... never impacted my sex drive later in life because I always understood that those people don't represent the norm. All this comes back flooding to me after so many years..!
 

akcroy

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This is unbelievable that you waited 4 years w/o any sex. Hopefully you at least got to wank off
to online porn daily, or at least a cold shower/wk. Otherwise, w/o any hookers, i have to question
your sex drive. Geez, not even as much as a single kiss from a woman in over 1300 days? Maybe
the problem is with you rather than her! Or were you doing the homo/animal thing? LOL
My sex drive is fine man, I'm a pretty horny dude. It's just that I'm perhaps too idealistic about human nature and way too patient with people.. Btw, she doesn't even like giving french kisses.. and if she ever caught me seeing porn she'd make a huge fuss out of it...
 

lenny

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My sex drive is fine man, I'm a pretty horny dude. It's just that I'm perhaps too idealistic about human nature and way too patient with people.. Btw, she doesn't even like giving french kisses.. and if she ever caught me seeing porn she'd make a huge fuss out of it...
Sorry, i don't buy it. 1300 days w/o a kiss and you are a "pretty horny dude"? LOL! Maybe horny
w/o the "pretty"! Also it's interesting that you didn't speak to my comments about wanking off.
As for the "if she ever caught me" comment, this reminds me of the cowardly lion in the movie
"The Wizard of Oz" that i saw tonight. Bottom, line, you are busted.
 

akcroy

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Told her we shouldn't be together anymore; she's upset, blames me for my part in this 'failure' but agrees we should divorce. Wish me luck, guys.

@alinburnaby she's not that kind of person, her colleagues seem to like me as well. And she's never shown any signs of waiting for the right guy. Btw, divorce is never painless. Not how it feels right now for me.
 

island-guy

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If she makes more than you then you can get alimony.

Do it and spend the money on SPs.

Seriously, she owes you 4 years of sex, so start collecting.
 

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She's doing both of you a favor. It's your ego that's hurting, not your heart. No woman wants a man who has no spine. She pushed you and pushed you and you let yourself be pushed because you were afraid of what would happen if you stood up for yourself. Fear kills.
 
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