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Women in combat, and gays in combat

jesuschrist

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Rick Santorum made some bold statements about women in combat, nothing about it was interesting but that he made his views public. If you haven't heard what he had to say, you could just imagine what his thoughts would be as a right wing conservative christian.

CNN then extended the discussion with Santorum to how he feels on gays in combat.

I frankly don't think women in combat is a good idea... actually a bad idea. This is just another example in my mind how men and women can never be equal, and that equality between the sexes is actually just a stupid idea to begin with. Equity is what we should be trying to achieve.

As for gays, I have no firm opinion for or against. I can empathize with both points of view. However, if I were to choose between having a gay man in combat or a gay butch woman, I'd choose the butch woman.
 

uncleg

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Santorum is an idiot.........my wife is in the military, she's light infantry which is anything but light and she does just fine.
 

JClay

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The only criteria that should qualify men or women for combat arms trades is whether they are capable of doing the job or not... If they are all held to the same standard, I couldn't give a shit who or what they sleep with on their own time, so long as it's legal and consensual. In my experience, nobody cared what was between your legs when you were on patrol - there are more important concerns at that point.
 

InnocentBoy

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Would love to see a study of births without defect on the women who have been exposed to depleted uranian while serving.
 

jesuschrist

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Would a woman not hesitate to shoot another woman in a black burka looking like she was concealing a bomb?

Would a woman not hesitate to shoot a kid holding a rifle?
 

JClay

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First, we don't use DU munitions in the CF. Full stop.

Second, we don't go around popping women in burqas who look like they *might* be concealing bombs. That is a non-argument. What kind of an outfit do you think we run anyway? As far as kids with rifles go, who do think we've been killing for the past ten years or so in Afghanistan? Look at the demographics - nearly half the population of that country is 14 years of age or younger.

When your life or the life of your buddy is in danger, you *will* kill to protect them. Militaries have been enabling people to kill other people for thousands of years, and we've gotten very good at it.
 
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Rick Santorum made some bold statements about women in combat, nothing about it was interesting but that he made his views public. If you haven't heard what he had to say, you could just imagine what his thoughts would be as a right wing conservative christian.

CNN then extended the discussion with Santorum to how he feels on gays in combat.

I frankly don't think women in combat is a good idea... actually a bad idea. This is just another example in my mind how men and women can never be equal, and that equality between the sexes is actually just a stupid idea to begin with. Equity is what we should be trying to achieve.

As for gays, I have no firm opinion for or against. I can empathize with both points of view. However, if I were to choose between having a gay man in combat or a gay butch woman, I'd choose the butch woman.
Those Spartan warriors would give anyone a run for their money in the 'tough guy' dept. And they were not averse to a little.... 'gak'

Read your history. Julius Caesar was a homo. Alexander the Great did some ballsack gargling too I think... leave the sex thing out of fighting. It's irrelevant. It's just like the bullshit they used to say about black guys not being able to operate artillery or pilot a plane or tank effectively. When the shit hits the fan you just want somebody to do their job. As long as somebody's covering you or pulling your sorry tattered ass off the field and into the medic tent.. believe me you won't care if they took it up the ass last night.

A lot of guys in the army are closet gays. That's fine. Let it go.
 

chilli

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I don't have a problem with gays or women serving - if they can do the job they can do their job.

I do have a problem with queers joining the military.

I don't want their "sexuality" shoved in my face. I have had jobs where I have had to suffer through sexual harassment from gay men - because well some of them think it's a challenge to see if they can "convert" a straight guy.

Having your boss offer you a blow job after work - everyone else thought it was "funny" and I shouldn't be so "uptight" about it.

I quit the next day and never spoke to the guy again.
 

JClay

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The "Light" in Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry comes from pre WWI military designations. http://www.army.gc.ca/iaol/143000440000029/index-Eng.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Patricia's_Canadian_Light_Infantry



Light Infantry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_infantry were the unarmoured bowmen that would screen the flanks while the Army was on the move and provided the bowmen when the Army was in the line.

Heavy Infantry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_infantry were the armoured "Men at Arms", dismounted Knights and Pike formations.

It works the same way for Calvary. Light Calvary is unarmoured on light, fast horses and Heavy Calvary is Knights on War Horses.

Anyone that reads Science Fiction is prepared to accept that Women and Gays are just as deadly in battle as a Straight Male.

Anyone that reads American History knows that Apache Women were deadlier than Apache Warriors. http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/indwom.html
Just a bit of clarification - the 3rd battalions of all the regiments (RCR, PPCLI, and R22e) are nominally "light," however, they all "meched up" when they deployed to Afghanistan. As it stands, only the jump companies could really be considered light - every other element of the Reg Force infantry is mechanized.

The Reserve infantry, on the other hand, would be considered light infantry - AFAIK, they still roll in G-wagens, MLs, and LSs.
 

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gunnery sergeant andrew jackson of the us marine corps, when asked about gays enlisting in the military, had this to say:

'when i joined up, homosexuality was illegal in the military. later on, they started ignoring it. now they've made it legal.

hell, i'm gettin' out before those dang DEMOCRATS make it MANDATORY!' :pound: :pound:
 

CJ Tylers

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Would a woman not hesitate to shoot another woman in a black burka looking like she was concealing a bomb?

Would a woman not hesitate to shoot a kid holding a rifle?
Wouldn't you? I don't know anyone who hasn't been conditioned to kill on sight that WOULDN'T hesitate to shoot another person, man, woman or child... regardless of the situation.

If they meet the same requirements and can perform the job properly, that should be the only criterion they are held to.
 

jesuschrist

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Wouldn't you? I don't know anyone who hasn't been conditioned to kill on sight that WOULDN'T hesitate to shoot a child.
Personally I would hesitate to blow the head off a child. That moment's hesitation might cost me my mission, etc. I am a super aggressive man, and I don't think I am all that unusual for a man. Now I think that women are different from men, and it's that difference that I wonder about whether or not would lend well to killing a child even if need be.

Besides, my question was not whether women were equally capable of killing in that situation. Any IDIOT can pull a trigger, and killing is thus rather easy - at least for many would be easier than something like figuring out their taxes. My question is whether or not the hesitation is natural for a woman more than a man, and would it make her suitable in that role.
 

CJ Tylers

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I think aggression helps in being willing to pull the trigger, but it's an entirely different skill set that lets you point the barrel at someone else, aim properly, and put them down. More to the point, I imagine fear plays a bigger part in most fire fights... fear, adrenaline and a burning desire to escape to live another day. If that means putting bullets in someone else, then that's what you do... and you deal with the emotional aftermath later.

Speaking of the emotional damage that comes part and parcel with taking another human beings life, I imagine woman are better able to cope with the PTSD simply because they are more willing to open up & discuss the toll that the engagement took on them. Men, whether they are gay or not, are more likely to put on a macho face and not deal with underlying PTSD issues, which diminishes their ability to function as a high level military asset.
 

mimi

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What about gay women in combat?

I've been to some 'women only' clubs and met some characters I wouldn't wanna bump into in a dark alley:

Large square bodies with muscle, lots of chin hairs, chains and spiky things everywhere, and deep gravelly voices.

I suppose we have been watching too many Hollywood movies where the 'bad girl' is a tiny feminine thing with 0% body fat and perfect makeup and wardrobe.

Oh, and, if you check out a few stories in history you will hear about women who have smothered their own infants to prevent them from crying and alerting the enemy to the whereabouts of all those in hiding....

Or the Celtic women:

"....The following account comes from a Roman historian named Marcus
Borealis. It was written during an invasion of Rome by Celts.

"The women of the Celtic tribes are bigger and stronger than our Roman
women. This is most likely due to their natures as well as their
peculiar fondness for all things martial and robust. The flaxen haired
maidens of the north are trained in sports and war while our gentle
ladies are content to do their womanly duties and thus are less powerful
than most young girls from Gaul and the hinterlands."


An unidentified Roman soldier of the same historical period wrote the
following.

"A Celtic woman is often the equal of any Roman man in hand-to-hand
combat. She is as beautiful as she is strong. Her body is comely but
fierce. The physiques of our Roman women pale in comparison."


There are even some stories about Celtic women raiding Roman households
and spiriting away female citizens and slaves, who became their maids or
concubines. These events were rare, but they did occur.
This excerpt from the diary of a Roman noblewoman proves that these rare
events did occur.

"My name is Drusilla. During the great and terrible invasion of the
hordes from the north, a band of giant women appeared in our home
without warning. The women ignored the precious jewels that were in
plain view and commenced to chase the women in our home. All of the
young women were quickly overtaken by the women with fair hair and pale
skin. It was a shameful sight to see as each of us were carried out of
our home against our wills by our conquerors. Each one of us were
supported over one of the warrior's strong shoulders. They were
impervious to our screams. The leader of this awful band quickly seized
me and my daughter of eighteen summers and carried us off at the same
time. We hit, kicked, bit, scratched, and pulled the tresses of the huge
woman, but, alas, she only laughed at our feeble efforts. The women
carried us a goodly amount of time before we reached their camp. It was
indeed a spectacle to see thirty women carrying thirty other women and
my daughter over hills and dales as naturally as a maiden carries a jug
of wine."



Fact or Fiction, who cares, great masturbating material :)

Women are good at obeying orders quickly and working for the greater good of the whole. We are group oriented and live in clusters sharing and empathizing and networking etc....can we kill? You betcha!

Get enough of us together and we can talk the enemy into defeat...
 

jesuschrist

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What about gay women in combat?

I've been to some 'women only' clubs and met some characters I wouldn't wanna bump into in a dark alley:
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Large square bodies with muscle, lots of chin hairs, chains and spiky things everywhere, and deep gravelly voices.
Yes, I would certainly feel more comfortable with one of those gay women who are basically butch dykes / horrible human bulldog things than a flamer gay guy on my combat team any day. They are downright scary and I think would totally intimidate an enemy soldier. I'd hate to encounter one myself on the battlefield. Furthermore, there would be little worry by commanders of sexual harrassment by other soldiers.
 

Milo

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The main problem with women serving in Combat arms is Men act weird when they are around. They make irrational decisions that they shouldn't make, and it puts everyone in the unit at risk.
 

bcneil

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The main problem with women serving in Combat arms is Men act weird when they are around. They make irrational decisions that they shouldn't make, and it puts everyone in the unit at risk.
Men can also behave better. One year in college my buddy talked me into being a forest fire fighter.
Worst job ever. It was all guys, it was like one big gang of guys, that acted like shitheads nonstop. Cock size conversations were as deep as it got after shift, or bragging about girls these guys fucked. We had 2 girls sent to our area. Almost immediately everything turned into like a normal workplace. Guys that before who could only talk about their penis and their big truck back home, almost turned into normal people.


As long as gays or females can qualify for the military position they want, good on them.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Would love to see a study of births without defect on the women who have been exposed to depleted uranian while serving.

Probably no different than the thousands +++ innocent civilian women and girls exposed while just going on about their lives - during war and for years after that just because they're unfortunate enough to live in contaminated areas.

Any reasons why you're specifically only worried about defects from women's reproductive systems but not about mens? Both can be the cause of defects, as far as I know...

3 headed sperm prob doesn't result in strong, healthy babies no matter how healthy the woman. ;)




Pretty ignorant thread......your wife and the gays that serve shouldn't have to even hear from idiots like JC and Santorum. The only thing they should be saying is....Thank you.

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