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Wife or Hoar???

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The Economics Of Prostitution
Michael Noer
Tuesday, February 14, 2006

Wife or whore?

The choice is that simple. At least according to economists Lena Edlund and Evelyn Korn, it is.

The two well-respected economists created a minor stir in academic circles a few years back when they published "A Theory of Prostitution" in the Journal of Political Economy. The paper was remarkable not only for being accepted by a major journal but also because it considered wives and whores as economic "goods" that can be substituted for each other. Men buy, women sell.

Economists have been equating money and marriage ever since Nobel Prize-winning economist Gary Becker published his seminal paper "A Theory of Marriage" in two parts in 1973 and 1974--also, not coincidentally, in the Journal of Political Economy.

Becker used market analysis to tackle the questions of whom, when and why we marry. His conclusions? Mate selection is a market, and marriages occur only if they are profitable for both parties involved.

Becker allowed nonmonetary elements, like romantic love and companionship, to be entered into courtship's profit and loss statement. And children, in particular, were important. "Sexual gratification, cleaning, feeding and other services can be purchased, but not children: Both the man and the woman are required to produce their own children and perhaps to raise them," he wrote.

But back to whores: Edlund and Korn admit that spouses and streetwalkers aren't exactly alike. Wives, in truth, are superior to whores in the economist's sense of being a good whose consumption increases as income rises--like fine wine. This may explain why prostitution is less common in wealthier countries. But the implication remains that wives and whores are--if not exactly like Coke and Pepsi--something akin to champagne and beer. The same sort of thing.

As with Becker, a key differentiator in Edlund and Korn's model is reproductive sex. Wives can offer it, whores can not.

To be fair, Edlund and Korn were merely building an admittedly grossly simplified model of human behavior in an attempt to answer a nagging question: Why do hookers make so much money? Prostitution is, seemingly, a low-skill but high-pay profession with few upfront costs, micro-miniskirts and stiletto heels aside.

Yet according to data assembled from a wide variety of times and places, ranging from mid-15th-century France to Malaysia of the late 1990s, prostitutes make more money--in some cases, a lot more money--than do working girls who, well, work for a living. This held true even for places where prostitution is legal and relatively safe. In short, streetwalkers aren't necessarily being paid more for their increased risk of going to jail or the hospital.

Notwithstanding Jerry Hall's quip when she was married to Mick Jagger, about being "a maid in the living room and a whore in the bedroom," one normally cannot be both a wife and a whore. "Combine this with the fact that marriage can be an important source of income for women, and it follows that prostitution must pay better than other jobs to compensate for the opportunity cost of forgone-marriage market earnings," Edlund and Korn conclude.

Ouch.

Another zinger: "This begs the question of why married men go to prostitutes (rather than buying from their wives, who presumably will be low-cost providers, considering that they can sell nonreproductive sex without compromising their marriage)." Guys, nothing says "Happy Valentine's Day" more than "low-cost provider."

Of course, it's easy to pour cold water on some of the assumptions made in Edlund and Korn's mathematical model. But these so-called "stylized facts" are supposed to predict human behavior; they don't necessarily pretend to mirror it.

In particular, the assumption that there is no "third way" between wife and whore is problematic, if not outright offensive: "The third alternative, working in a regular job but not marrying, can be ruled out, since we assume that the only downside of marriage for a woman is the forgone opportunity for prostitution."

Be sure to let all your married friends know what they're missing.

Also, the emphasis on the utility of children is puzzling. In most Western democracies, fertility rates have plummeted as wealth has increased. Empirically, men not only buy fewer whores as they get richer, but they have fewer children.

Still, the economic analysis of marriage explains one age-old phenomenon: gold digging.

"In particular, does our analysis justify the popular belief that more beautiful, charming and talented women tend to marry wealthier and more successful men" wrote Becker. His answer: "A positive sorting of nonmarket traits with nonhuman wealth always, and with earnings power, usually, maximizes commodity output over all marriages."

In other words, yes, supermodels do prefer aging billionaires. And Gary Becker proved it mathematically decades before The Donald married Melania.
 

chilli

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I am single - and quite honestly as I keep earning more and more money - I wonder why I should get married when I can hire an escort every couple of weeks and get what I need - with no nagging and bitching... no heartbreak...

When you have money and a full life - then the reasons to get married to a "prostitute"... because face it most women sell their sex for money...

Well I just don't get it - not when you know there's an immediate payout of 50% of everything you have if it doesn't pan out.
 

badwolfcgy

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Chilli probably has the best idea so far...
An SP can be cheaper than a wife..
 

chiefwiggum

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I can see why people think this way, but....

The whole thing revolves around four assumptions:

1. Women are only good for sex.
2. Men are only good as a source of $$.
3. Women desire only $$.
4. Men desire only sex.

As much as I enjoy the services of an SP, it will never be the same as living in a healthy relationship.
 

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chilli said:
Well I just don't get it - not when you know there's an immediate payout of 50% of everything you have if it doesn't pan out.
At the risk of sounding very jaded about "love" I can't but help to agree with the above comment 100%! I've been in a couple of very serious relationships that thankfully ended before the "I do's" and in hindsight cost me far less then what they could have. I've seen more than a few friends go down the Ward and June Cleaver path only to find its a living hell and end up bailing after the kidlets come along. IMO the real reality of marriage is more along the lines of "everyone loves raymond". Aside from being a shitty program (with the exception of the brother and the dad) it shows how the wife can be an absolute domineering cunt shrew. Watched about 15 minutes on a flight last month and it circled around how raymond was the bad guy because of his love of golf. The wife in that show is pure evil and another example over the double standards in what's acceptable for women and not men.


badwolfcgy said:
An SP can be cheaper than a wife..
For me its not even about the money......I just don't think men and women are genetically engineered to spend a lifetime together


goodlube said:
a wise man once said "if it flies,floats of fucks,rent it"
Now why didn't I think of that ;) :D


goodlube said:
if they didn't have a gash there would be a bounty on them
Don't know if I'd go that far. I love women (most of them anyways).....I just don't want to wake up beside the same one till I'm dead
 

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I agree with ChiefWiggum completely. The underlying assumptions are false.

Our society has this really unhealthy idea that a woman is either a slut or a saint (the Virgin Mary or Mary Magdalene??), and there is no middle ground.

The article also completely ignored the issue of gay/male prostitutes.

It *is* interesting to look at this from an economic perspective, which Engels did many years ago, but to base your work on gender stereotypes is ridiculous.
 

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JimDandy said:
"The third alternative, working in a regular job but not marrying, can be ruled out, since we assume that the only downside of marriage for a woman is the forgone opportunity for prostitution."
:eek: My goodness!
 

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The writers do not address the issue of either partner being denied sex within the marriage and being forced to buy it from an outside source.
 

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Why not "Husband or John?" :rolleyes:
 

chilli

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Scarlett said:
Why not "Husband or John?" :rolleyes:
Well actually most husbands are "johns" - ask any man and most will tell you we pay for sex in relationships.

We pay for the first date in order to have the "pleasure" of a womans company???

Since when is she the "prize" and I'm not?

Most women I date I have done more in my life and I make alot more money - In terms of contribution to society and production I am worth more.

When you first meet a woman they will run a series of tests on you - does he open the door, is he taller than me, does he drive a nice car, have a job, then they will ask you questions to "trap" you - the "list" is literally 10 pages long.

Then the mental anguish of dealing with the rollercoaster ride of a womans emotions - up and down - nevermind who likes to be the boss and tell you what to do and how things should be, what you can or can't do, - or else forget getting sex - or deal with her emotional drama that comes with not getting her way.

So we pay for the dates, we pay for the emotional drama of being with a woman, the vacations, the cars, the kids, the house, and what do we get?

Either we become pussies - yes dear... because we know no - means a week of hell.
Women run relationships pure and simple and either they can be nice to us or not - and most are not.

I honestly think women bring on mens committment issues themselves - I mean who would want to commit to 95% of the women of today. Yes 5% are not like the way I have portrayed - but my experiences with true gems have been few and far between.

Being a player for a man and moving from woman to the next makes so much more sense than settling down.

Someone above mentioned meeting your dream girl as changing all of that - well again I have news for you - women can be very very nice to you if they want something from you. I get that alot from women.

But deviate one iota off their little plan for you... and

Most women I know can go from soft femine and cooing to bitch in about 5 secs flat.

Women will never be independant of men - they like our money, status and power to much - hence why most of them are all "whores".
 

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just a thought

Ya know, and far be it from me to judge - since by all accounts I am a prick....but there sure does seem to be a whole big double standard here from some of the customers - labelling the ladies whore's etc. saying all women want is the money.....

Now again, just a thought but I submit that if you use someone's services, you are on the same moral footing as the person supplying the service.....or does that make it hard for some people to look in the mirror??
 

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some of the comments in this thread are a bit 'over-the-top'!

however,

for me, I have to say that I am seriously happy being single and enjoying the FANTASTIC women who I have met in this business!

and while there are some aspects of a 'relationship' that I do miss, there is a lot that I really don't miss either.

I certainly don't understand how a woman's mind works when it comes to relationships, but trading my sanity, self-respect, and space for some sex is not worth it anymore.

If I want my ass-kicked i'll call Veronica and have it done professionally ...
 

chilli

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LonelyGhost said:
I certainly don't understand how a woman's mind works when it comes to relationships, but trading my sanity, self-respect, and space for some sex is not worth it anymore.
I have to put this up somewhere - I honestly couldn't have put it any better myself.

Thank you.
 

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Raising Children

One has to take into consideration the raising of children. That first and foremost should probably be the primary reason for marriage. If there are no children involved one has to question what function marriage serves other than for companionship. I won't go so far as to say free sex as nothing in this world is free..and for most marriages the cost of sex becomes exorbitant based on a frequency point of view.

I also know that a lot of men on here share the view that a definition of a woman is a life support system for a cunt. Having said all of that, I truly believe that it is possible and there are many examples of great and lasting friendships between a man and a woman that often includes sex. If the couple feels more secure having it wrapped up in the form of a marriage, then so much the better for them.

If you are equating love with sex, marriage is certainly not a needed factor.
 

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In a nice wet pussy!
I still believe the perfect wife is one who fucks for a living.

From her perspective, she is much more knowledgeable and aware of the intricacies and complexities of keeping a man's equipment satisfied.

And he's far more likely to be satisfied in the long run when the said equipment is regularly attended to.

Oh yeah, so what's a "hoar" anyway?



*looks up dictionary.com*

hoar

adj : showing characteristics of age, especially having gray or white hair; "whose beard with age is hoar"

Coleridge: "nodded his hoary head"
 

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gravitas said:
For me its not even about the money......I just don't think men and women are genetically engineered to spend a lifetime together
This is very true. Many-a-well-intentioned lover has exchanged vows with the single minded perpose of a "full life" only to become mortal enemies some time later. That happens with such regularity that it can not be ignored in a discussion like this.
 

chilli

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KingLeer said:
I also know that a lot of men on here share the view that a definition of a woman is a life support system for a cunt.
Actually I've never thought that, I've got some amazing female friends.

But more and more women are getting spoiled, lazy, bitchy, money hungry, miss princess and in my mind it's getting worse - most women have lost their way and now want to be "chicks with dicks."

You see it on TV everyday - "I don't need a man!" and the funny thing is the most messed up chicks are the ones saying it - what they really mean is I am wounded/broken/(insert word here) and unable to have a genuine relationship with a man.

I used to have alot of respect for women - used to - now that I have seen most for what they really are - which is pretty nasty - well it just makes me want to be real nasty back - and the funny thing is - the more money I make - the more I'm able to do that.
 
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