Why do SPs charge so much in BC?

[mrsp]

I just returned from a trip to Seattle and I took a look at TNABoard.com to see what kind of fun was on offer around the city. Just like the book stores here, the same product can be had for *less* if you pay in US dollars than if you consume it here in good ol' Canuck-ville. Now fast backward a month to my trip to the UK. I made a trip to London and met up with a gorgeous gal from Poland who provided an extensive menu of services including an awesome BBBJ followed by CIM and then greek. For this she charged the princely sum (equivalent) of $120 for 1 hr. This is not out of the ordinary if you scan the adultwork.com site for the UK. I had even gotten the idea that I would visit a party advertised on http://gentlemansparties.com/. This was a bad idea after my 4 SOG session with the afore-mentioned Polish lady. The price was nice though: $150 for 4 hours with 3 sps & 6 other perbs. Menu included CBJ, DP, greek. Almost wish I'd saved my bullets, but I'll be back
So my question is: how come we pay so much for so basic a set of services here in Vancouver? I've been with several great SPs here and they are so professional and courteous, but also soooo expensive. What's the deal here girls?

 

[caffieneaddict]

As someone who has spent some time living in Europe I'd wage a guess that your Polish lady is probably there illegally and lives in an apartment with 8 others. I remember the apartment I was in last year, there were 8 Poles (Pols?) living in the 2 bedroom next to me. Mostly men who are Europe's cheap white labour but sometimes women too. Women in BC have to charge a lot because apartments in Vancouver cost a lot of fucking money, and homes in other area's of BC really aren't that cheap either. Plus they have a different lifestyle than that lady you saw. Being a single young person is expensive. Plus hey, most women around Vancouver just don't want the number of clients they would get at rates that low.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

You can find a range of rates in Vancouver just like you can in any city. The same applies to higher rates. There are a lot of girls from Eastern Europe in London, which aren't found here. Instead, there are Asian micros where rates are similar to what you describe. London is an expensive city, in order to survive or make it profitable at $120/hr (minus whatever they give to the agency?), you would have to work many hours. There's also a major difference, which I think makes it possible to charge lower rates and that's whether or not a girl plans to spend it where she's earning it.


If she's only there for a short time, has room&board covered and is saving as much as she can knowing she's going to be taking it back with her or even sending it home to family, then it doesn't matter what that amount is worth in Vancouver, Seattle or London. What matters is its value in the country of origin where the money will be spent, compared to the wages the person would make (most likely non prostitution wages as being away is what enables them to do this without the risk of being found out).


Factor in all of those things and $120/hr working long hours in a short period of time (eg 3 or 6 months) and then returning home with savings means that $120/hr has a lot more value for this person than it does for someone who is local.

That same amount has a lot less value to a person who is living and staying in Vancouver or London where they often run the constant risk of being found out and put a lot of energy into living a double life and who are going to be spending their earnings to cover their living expenses. Also, if they don't have a pre-set deadline of a few months, they're not likely to want or be able to see 10 clients a day without burning out. They may also have more obligations (family, friends, school etc) than someone who is in a strange city for a short time.


I could be wrong and someone may have another explanation but that's what seems to make sense to me.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

As someone who has spent some time living in Europe I'd wage a guess that your Polish lady is probably there illegally and lives in an apartment with 8 others. I remember the apartment I was in last year, there were 8 Poles (Pols?) living in the 2 bedroom next to me. Mostly men who are Europe's cheap white labour but sometimes women too. Women in BC have to charge a lot because apartments in Vancouver cost a lot of fucking money, and homes in other area's of BC really aren't that cheap either. Plus they have a different lifestyle than that lady you saw. Being a single young person is expensive. Plus hey, most women around Vancouver just don't want the number of clients they would get at rates that low.

There you go.

I started typing my reply and did something else before finishing it but didn't refresh the page to check for new replies. If I had, I would have seen yours and saved myself from having to type all that. lol oh well.

 

[princeofdarkness]

IMHO, most SPs do not charge so much in BC.

There's a price to pay for everything. Perhaps finding that affordable gem is part of the fun.
Do you want a Lada or a Lamborghini Aventador? Ok, that may be a little extreme but it's all relative isn't it?
Personal tastes, finances and risks all play a part of it.

 

[snacks]

Actually I always thought they don't charge enough...I've noticed Vancouver men are very stingy with donations and try to bargain, or run away from rates that are anywhere over $200/hr, and then you expect those unsafe and unclean bareback services along with cheap prices, you can find it in Vancouver, but if I was a pooner, I'd honestly want to spend more money with a high class courtesan that practices safe rather than one who probably sees 10+ clients and all of their cooties in her mouth.

Living expenses are extremely high everywhere in BC, and there is the fact that these beautiful women are doing you a favour by sleeping with complete strangers who they may or may not find attractive at all. Put yourself in the woman's shoes, how much would a very ugly/unattractive (whatever your taste) woman have to pay you to be her boyfriend for an hour? And it's not only appearance, a lot of men have bad hygiene as well these girls have to put up with, plus it's better to only see a select few clients a day than be an open meat market all day/night (it's healthier for her and if she charges more she is more financially secure, and will attract the right type of clientèle = those who do not find donations to be of any issue). And I'm not saying it's only being done for the money, many of these girls actually enjoy providing a service to gentlemen regardless of their appearance, but in my opinion, the more the donation = better service (it's something they enjoy doing especially because of the compensation, it's the oldest profession in the world, it's easy/fun/financially enriching). That's just how the world works, it's quality over quantity.

Plus they have their safety to worry about, so I think ladies who'd rather attract higher end clientèle are better off. If you OP find an issue with it, then you should just stick with the low rate women, there are plenty of gorgeous bodied women out there that have extremely low rates and provide those bareback services you so desire. In Vegas and other places in the world, SP's charge minimum 500-2000 per hour, I could NEVER see this happen in Vancouver, why is that? Does it happen and am I missing something? And I've always wondered why pooners who have such an issue with donations, even pursue this act in the first place? Obviously you have to spend a nice chunk of change, this is their means of living, it just makes you look disrespectful and like you don't find them worthy...they are performing extremely intimate acts with strangers and risking a lot, so I definitely think they need to charge MORE, it's not like any other job.

 

[TooLegit]

I'm from Seattle. First of all, because of the legal issues involved with prostitution, the class of women available here doesn't touch the Vancouver ladies. I'm pretty sure the high class girls here are good enough to move to Nevada to work legally, which leaves the less classy girls in Seattle.

Secondly, it really is a matter of "You get what you pay for". Some of those less expensive girls might be just as beautiful, but you are probably not getting the same service. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that pooners don't see. In my experience, the girls that charge upwards of $300/hr are extremely clean and careful. They get a papercut, they take a couple days off to heal. They don't book 8-10 appointments a day, because they take a minimum of an hour to prepare between clients. Showering, clean clothes, clean sheets, etc. That one hour you pay for took her another hour or more to prepare. So, while you believe you are paying her $300 an hour, she is actually making half that, because she spent two hours on that client.

Wouldn't it be great if you only had to pay a lawyer for the time he spent fighting for you in court and not for the hours he spent preparing your case?

Also, as has been stated by others in this thread, some girls charge very little for multitudes of reasons.

1. They are new and have no clue they could charge more.
2. They have poor self image and believe they are worth less.
3. They are required to meet a quota and charging less ensures more clients.
4. Etc...

 

[steverino]

Wrong question

Prices are a reflection of demand. The appropriate question to ask is , "why are pooners in BC willing to pay such a high price?" If ladies were not making what they wanted they could lower price or leave the industry. If ladies in other cities thought they could raise their price without hurting their business I am sure they would.

 

[InTheBum]

I just returned from a trip to Seattle and I took a look at TNABoard.com to see what kind of fun was on offer around the city. Just like the book stores here, the same product can be had for *less* if you pay in US dollars than if you consume it here in good ol' Canuck-ville. Now fast backward a month to my trip to the UK. I made a trip to London and met up with a gorgeous gal from Poland who provided an extensive menu of services including an awesome BBBJ followed by CIM and then greek. For this she charged the princely sum (equivalent) of $120 for 1 hr. This is not out of the ordinary if you scan the adultwork.com site for the UK. I had even gotten the idea that I would visit a party advertised on http://gentlemansparties.com/. This was a bad idea after my 4 SOG session with the afore-mentioned Polish lady. The price was nice though: $150 for 4 hours with 3 sps & 6 other perbs. Menu included CBJ, DP, greek. Almost wish I'd saved my bullets, but I'll be back
So my question is: how come we pay so much for so basic a set of services here in Vancouver? I've been with several great SPs here and they are so professional and courteous, but also soooo expensive. What's the deal here girls?

The real answer is this: Vancouver is expensive...the city has lots of millionaires with cash to burn. Also, women in this city think it's a privledge for you to put your penis into them with a condom...and as such...you should pay a hefty fine!

 

[vancity_cowboy]

I for one would not want to be the 8th guy seeing that polish chick for $120 per hour. Sloppy seconds is bad enough, what would eight be? eeeeewwwwww eights?

i like to be the last - i don't want anybody tapping me on the shoulder...lol ound:

 

[vancity_cowboy]

...rather than one who probably sees 10+ clients and all of their cooties in her mouth.

Living expenses are extremely high everywhere in BC, and there is the fact that these beautiful women are doing you a favour by sleeping with complete strangers who they may or may not find attractive at all. Put yourself in the woman's shoes, how much would a very ugly/unattractive (whatever your taste) woman have to pay you to be her boyfriend for an hour? And it's not only appearance, a lot of men have bad hygiene as well these girls have to put up with, plus it's better to only see a select few clients a day than be an open meat market all day/night (it's healthier for her and if she charges more she is more financially secure, and will attract the right type of clientèle = those who do not find donations to be of any issue). And I'm not saying it's only being done for the money, many of these girls actually enjoy providing a service to gentlemen regardless of their appearance...

why don't you tell us what you REALLY think about us?

 

[threepeat]

In Vegas and other places in the world, SP's charge minimum 500-2000 per hour, I could NEVER see this happen in Vancouver, why is that? Does it happen and am I missing something?

The difference is that Las Vegas, even more than Vancouver, is a tourist-driven industry, so people splurge on a lot of things. Why should an RMT massage in Vegas cost $140 when one in Edmonton that is just as good costs $80? Why does a coke cost $3? Because people are there for a short time or one time. Same with SPs. Some guys might be tempted to pay that $500 if he is never going back.

The flip side is that all business need some repeats and so need some volume, it's a matter of finding the middle ground. The higher the price, the less likely the repeat business. I might spend $30 on a Kobe beef burger once just to see what it's like, but will then come to the conclusion that a cow is more or less just a cow.

 

[Monet]

because they are millionaires, living in the mansion, high maintenance cost.....

I just returned from a trip to Seattle and I took a look at TNABoard.com to see what kind of fun was on offer around the city. Just like the book stores here, the same product can be had for *less* if you pay in US dollars than if you consume it here in good ol' Canuck-ville. Now fast backward a month to my trip to the UK. I made a trip to London and met up with a gorgeous gal from Poland who provided an extensive menu of services including an awesome BBBJ followed by CIM and then greek. For this she charged the princely sum (equivalent) of $120 for 1 hr. This is not out of the ordinary if you scan the adultwork.com site for the UK. I had even gotten the idea that I would visit a party advertised on http://gentlemansparties.com/. This was a bad idea after my 4 SOG session with the afore-mentioned Polish lady. The price was nice though: $150 for 4 hours with 3 sps & 6 other perbs. Menu included CBJ, DP, greek. Almost wish I'd saved my bullets, but I'll be back
So my question is: how come we pay so much for so basic a set of services here in Vancouver? I've been with several great SPs here and they are so professional and courteous, but also soooo expensive. What's the deal here girls?

 

[steverino]

I am always curious when these threads come up why some people don't think the principles of economics apply to escorts in Vancouver. This isn't rocket science, the prices are a function of supply and demand. If a thousand new women decided to become escorts tomorrow, you would see a sharp decline in prices.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that pooners don't see. In my experience, the girls that charge upwards of $300/hr are extremely clean and careful. They get a papercut, they take a couple days off to heal. They don't book 8-10 appointments a day, because they take a minimum of an hour to prepare between clients. Showering, clean clothes, clean sheets, etc. That one hour you pay for took her another hour or more to prepare. So, while you believe you are paying her $300 an hour, she is actually making half that, because she spent two hours on that client.

pardon me while i take a minute here to wipe the crocodile tears off the keyboard...

there's a bit that 'goes on behind the scenes' in the pooners world too. time spent searching the ads, reviews, etc. for intelligence on the sp, time spent at the liquor store or the florist or the sex shop or the chocolatier buying a little something to leave with the sp, time spent fighting traffic, time spent finding parking... this all could require 1 or 2 hours for a visit of the same. at a professional man's rate per hour this could add up to 100 to 400 dollars that he is unable to bill out. add to that the additional costs of the gift(s), the gas, the parking, amortization/mileage of the car, amortization of the additional pooning-only mobile phone...

so don't cry me a river about sp's spending extra time outside the appointment - that sword cuts both ways!

it is what it is - they have the right to ask as much as the market will bear, and we (being the market) have the right to negotiate a rate that we like better than the asking price - the two parties reach an agreement and the transaction goes ahead, or they don't reach an agreement and the transaction does not go ahead

with the demise of the strip clubs, there is a lot of eye candy flooding the market right now, but in my opinion not much of it is devoted to full time escorting - they're just looking for a bit of extra spending money, so they don't have much of a downward effect on prices - although certainly thay have some effect

the sector that is really having a dramatic effect on prices is the asian mp and micro scene. let's face it, you can get a good piece of tail for a very good price at a micro with a bit of judicious shopping, and only have to go to a high end escort once every two or three months to get your fix of service or white eye candy or whatever floats your boat for the higher rate. meanwhile the high ender is getting noticeably less business and has to keep her prices from skyrocketing to get it. by that i mean i can get a high end piece of tail today for approximately what i got it for 5 or 6 years ago. i attribute that entirely to the asian micro/mp scene

 

[future canadian]

I am always curious when these threads come up why some people don't think the principles of economics apply to escorts in Vancouver. This isn't rocket science, the prices are a function of supply and demand. If a thousand new women decided to become escorts tomorrow, you would see a sharp decline in prices.

If the high dollar escort is, say, a luxury car, and the 1000 new women are 'Ford Fiestas', I doubt there would be a sharp decline in prices. One could always westjet it to the MTL for a $160 outcall (which I did back in May) or pay $400 AUD for an incall in Sydney AUS (which I also did). One should weigh price vs the experience you are wanting (but, remember, it's your anticipated experience vs YMMV in the session, too).

 

[steverino]

It is true that when you speak of supply and demand it is for a specific market. If you want to specify the markets as comprising of the "high end" and "low end" then the prices in each market will be a function of the number of ladies in each market. The principle still applies that should more high end ladies enter that market the price will come down. Because of review boards the access to information about the quality of providers is quite good making it more difficult for a poor provider to maintain a high price and deliver low end service.

If you further specify markets into niches there are similar pricing implications. In some cities being an Asian provider might attract a premium price due to scarcity, that works in the opposite direction in Vancouver. For a lady the key is to find a niche that is valued but in scarce supply. Any individual provider has limits on how many clients they can physically handle and are more likley limited by the desire to see that many clients.

 

[laurel love]

$150 per day = a regular job...where is the incentive?

 

[snacks]

it is what it is - they have the right to ask as much as the market will bear, and we (being the market) have the right to negotiate a rate that we like better than the asking price - the two parties reach an agreement and the transaction goes ahead, or they don't reach an agreement and the transaction does not go ahead

Would you go into an LV store and negotiate the price of their leather handbags? No, you would just need to head over to the mall and walk into Coach. This is not a drug deal, the lady sets her price and for you to negotiate it just proves that you have no respect for what she believes she is worth. I only think that a lot of pooners should simply stick with the low rate women and stay away from the higher end ones if they have a problem with donations. Men who don't see any issue with the donation are the type of clientèle these ladies should be doing business with.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Would you go into an LV store and negotiate the price of their leather handbags? No, you would just need to head over to the mall and walk into Coach. This is not a drug deal, the lady sets her price and for you to negotiate it just proves that you have no respect for what she believes she is worth. I only think that a lot of pooners should simply stick with the low rate women and stay away from the higher end ones if they have a problem with donations. Men who don't see any issue with the donation are the type of clientèle these ladies should be doing business with.

let's re-visit this conversation after you have 3 or 4 years of experience