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wilde

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This isn't what this thread is about, which is about (I'm paraphrasing here)....what makes men who love stick around. Not Japan and China's animosity towards each other.
Again, nothing about animosity, just simply pointing out an inaccurate fact written by someone else. When said someone else refuses to acknowledge the inaccuracy by arguing with more inaccuracies, we have ourselves an argument. It happens on almost every thread on Perb, learn to live with it, I have.
 

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You are right.
My apology to everyone who participate this thread and this forum for perpetuating unnecessary argument.
I always encourage people to stick with the topic, and look at me eh?
I'm sorry everyone.

Back to the topic....

Gentlemen, another really good way to start a long lasting relationship is frankly tell the girl, you will see other girls for physical need eventually. Right off the get-go, tell her that. And if she hesitate to develop the relationship, think twice about it. Tell her, you like her and your heart is for her, and you will always come home for her, but you won't be physically faithful to her. And if the girl is smart enough to understand the difference between love and lust, don't let her go.
Then, you can honestly tell her," hey honey, I just banged my receptionist, but hey don't worry, it was just a one night stand. " and in that case, she has absolute rights to have a munch on her gym trainer as long as she commit her heart for you, this works pretty well.
Yes this is all well and good until she comes home after being fucked one night, crawls into bed with you and she leans over to kiss you and you smell the sperm she's been drinking.

There is also the opposite scenario too, she wants to get fucked that night but you have no shots left. In fact, you'd rather fuck that young hottie you just met, for at least a few months till it gets boring before you spend any signficant energy on your loved one except maybe an obligatory pity fuck once in awhile.

I like your idea really, and I'm not actually making fun of it. I just think there's some practical emotional concerns at hand.
 

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Yes this is all well and good until she comes home after being fucked one night, crawls into bed with you and she leans over to kiss you and you smell the sperm she's been drinking.

There is also the opposite scenario too, she wants to get fucked that night but you have no shots left. In fact, you'd rather fuck that young hottie you just met, for at least a few months till it gets boring before you spend any signficant energy on your loved one except maybe an obligatory pity fuck once in awhile.

I like your idea really, and I'm not actually making fun of it. I just think there's some practical emotional concerns at hand.
I have met several clients who are into swing, and the open relationship they have along wth the swinger life style seems to be working for them. Also, occasional three-some seems to brings some passion back as well. So I thought, the open relationship with trust and honesty is the best way to go.
 

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And that is why i would rather have a escort for a GF they do know about some of the differences and some of them are into swing they are bi i just love bi women because there is going to be a three some at some time.

In the last few year i have had my understanding of sex and women greatly enhanced ,and although i realize that escort are the other women that women talk about .. and many will never accept that there love will have sex with other women .. and also the men won't But we know better and if you don't embrace it for what it is , you really are making you love life hard and probability impossible to succeed .

How many people are divorced here , or are cheating on there spouse ? Or are just here looking for sex , it seems to be the theme ::rolleyes:

So many people , men and women go in to a relationship .. as an ownership .Thinking now this other person is theirs.. and no body else can have them . Sorry wrong attitude .. no one own another or has the right to control them .. love them for who they are , all that they are , and want to do .. And know them as you know you self .. their loves and desires , hope , fears .. and the darkness .. but don't put restriction on them that they have not put on them selves .. and if they need room free them .. That is love it about letting go not caging ..

An honest open relationship where everyone no what the other wants to do or will do before hand , does work for many couples .
 

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You asked "Why do men love ".. Well with me it has happened a few time and all way . very suddenly . I just happened to see some one . some where and i want to know them .. , I sen them and some how they are the most attractive women in the world and that instance , I have not talked to them , I know nothing about them , it just that they have the look that makes me lower all my defenses , and fears .. It may only be that one meeting or glimpse or maybe another the same day and that is all that ever happens , i don't follow or approach . but definitely i am wanting to know them . I could say it is love at firs site.

There was one girl i saw once for 30 seconds in a movie theater lobby , she asked me if i wanted to buy some food to support some cause , I did not but at that very moment I saw her eyes that glowed with this heavenly light. I walked away . into the movie . sat down .. and was up again and out to the lobby to talk to her ..But she was gone .. I could not for get her for the next 4 years ,, and often went back to the same theater to see movies hoping to meet her again .. Then on year i Got a job building a house .. and i went to a little restaurant , and there she was .,I would then go every day ,some time twice a day . and i finally asked her one day if that was her at that theater 4 years earlier .. And it was ..

I tried my best to make friends with her .. asked her out , but she was involved with someone .. Then one day she did not work there any more .. i was kind of lost .. i knew where she lived so one day i knocked on the door and even though she was not home they told me where she was working .. Then i started going there after work .. Yes i would say i was in love with her ,, and maybe acted a little obsessive at time .. But there was connection of some kind .. she never told me to get lost ..and eventually i got involved with her church and family .. which ended up being more involved with her family and church , then her
I was 35 yrs old ,10 yrs older then her and thought maybe that was the reason why it was not working .. she marred some one who was in there 40;s I when to the wedding , stayed in contact with the family for a few years , and now over 20 yrs later i still think of her and love her .. even those there was no relationship of then a small friendship..

That is one kind of love and each one i have had since then has been different .. most have been more involved then that one and far more intimate but I can;t say they have been as intense emotionally .. That love was over whelming and i burnt out some emotional circuit breakers .. in some way i can;t feel the same way about a person again , i lost some thing even though it was all one sided . Now love for me is based on a lot more and a commit less of my emotion , i just don't have them to give or I refuse to get hurt .. .. I still find i can't help falling in love with some women . and have to be around them .. and some have even said they love me too, but i still find it is mostly one sided . with me giving more then i get back . which does not matter that much because i love them for who they are , and care about what happens in there life . I do not try to change them ,but i do hope that they can see when they need to make changes .. I kind of pick the wild ones LOL
Ummm....thats called stalking dude.
 

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So when I love someone, I don't think "I would love him more if he is this and does that."
If his feet stink, I would love the smell.
If he fucks around on me, I accept it, smile and give him a condom, waiting for him to come home to have meal with me.

When I am the center of the relationship, " I want that", "take me out", and "love me more", that's not love... At least in terms of general idea of love in Japan. We have a different word for the me-centered feeling for someone.
(FYI, it is ? (koi))

Both ? and ? are an excellent word/ concept. I tend to think every ? starts from ?.
When the relationship shift from me-centered to you-centered, that's, I say, love.


I am a serving type of girl, and when I scored him, I was so happy.

I went to his place when he wanted (never asked myself), cooked, did dishes, cleaned, laundry.... Etc.
In bed, we hit so well that we could not have enough of each other.... I thought.
Then, there was a summer off, and when I came back to school in September, he was not interested in me.

I still don't know what turned him off.... May be it was too risky for him.
Anyway, yes, boys, let us know what you think!
Now I don't mean to keep directing conversation to your statements, but these ones beg to be commented on.
Somewhere else (I lost the place so I cannot quote it), you said something to the effect that Japanese girls (or perhaps Asian girls in general), like to give and give.

Unfortunately, in the Western culture, there is something I like to call "love capitalism". It seems that capitalism, even before it was coined that, was an inherent part of Western culture long before it was invented.

So after being stung by love capitalism, where one's desirability is valued by it's limited supply, and the demands that a "purchaser" of another's love has placed upon him as the price, it is refreshing and attractive for the Westerner to arrive at a Japanese girl's apparent willingness to give and give. From his point of view, apparently there is no price to be paid, he just has to be - as if it was to be priced to begin with. So in other words, it's free. And if it's free, it's not worth anything because it's capitalism.

You went to his place when he asked but never asked yourself. You cooked, you cleaned, you served. You became his free maid. You gave him sex and you probably rarely asked for much in return. You became his free sex caretaker.

What turned him off? I would guess nothing did except himself. He was not capable of loving you. It wasn't you, it was just never in him. He valued you for the wrong reasons, and that's because he didn't understand the love you gave. He never can.
 
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To the starter of this thread:

A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her. ~Oscar Wilde

I put the above quote not because I have a cynical view, but a man will be with his woman if he is already in a happy, secure point in his life and meets the woman to complement. A man will stick around because he loves a woman and he is happy with himself, but a man will leave sometimes, not because he does not love his woman, but because he is not happy with himself, yet, or he needs to resolve some things bothering him. He may return when he is more sure of himself and is more secure in his esteem as a man, and then, a woman would complement him. I would assume vice versa summation for women.

(But there are jackasses out there too who don't really care -watch out for them. The possessive, jealous types have insecurity issues, and women are more of an object who fill their unhappy void. Same for the cheating, disloyal types who have an addiction to their own self-centred needs).

I think for me, for the right woman I would love her for her faults as much as her graces, the whole package. As a guy, I'd stay with a woman if she would fight for me as much as I would for her, challenging each other to be better individuals. And together, that's an invincible partnership! That's my version of love. :)
 
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Ok...so, do people always have to have sex outside their relationship?

When I find a person who is fun to have sex with, ok, not only fun, but, really, really good at it...and sex is like happy and relaxed playtime and exploration, I tend to not want to share.

I'm a greedy gal, I guess, and I don't like sharing my food, or the thought of someone nibbling at it. If I know someone has sipped from my drink or eaten off my plate I won't touch it again.

The previous comment about sperm breath is a good one. The mingling of body fluids is somehow symbolic of the joining of two humans in a relationship. A man I know who found his wife had been cheating on him, shouted something about not sleeping with a woman still wet from another man.

I just have this fantasy where somewhere in this world there is a couple who really enjoy each other, mentally and physically, and are not interested in getting intimate with someone else.

By the way...statistically it is men who are most likely to commit suicide over a failed relationship. Men invest more on an emotional level into relationships.
 

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By the way...statistically it is men who are most likely to commit suicide over a failed relationship. Men invest more on an emotional level into relationships.
While statiscally what you say may be true, I don't think men invest more emotionally. I think they invest less emotionally, but have less tools to deal with the emotional pain that they do feel over a failed relationship, so they kill themselves. Women invest more heavily emotionally, but survive a failed relationship better because they know how to process their feelings throughout the relationship from start to failure - and also they tend to have more support emotionally from others - via other women friends and men who pretend to be their friends but are looking for an opportunity to fuck them.
 

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There are plenty of men who don't need to stray. Lol just most don't frequent here!

I'd have little problem swinging or having threesomes (mmf or ffm) with an SO. I don't know how comfortable I'd be about someone (or myself) going off and doing it without the other (unless it's some special circumstance like it's her job). There's no real reason I would need another woman without my so around nor do I see a reason she would need another man without me taking part either. Would allow both her and I the security that no real cheating (meaning emotional) is going on. If it's her job well it's a client/provider relationship, that's fine. But as well what if one needs the other? Bullshit drama has been mention, but there is such thing as real drama (finding out my mother had a tumor being a prime example - turned out to be benign thankfully), and being available when needed is a big part of a relationship imo.
 

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just reading a couple of books
and you know i think people have or jouney through life,
and some people its a material world money cars women sex etc

other people its more a journey of the mind
and well for me im more a feeling type person an emtional type person.
the person i see, or want she puts me in an emotional place its very little to do with physical or the physical experiance, its the emotional experiance,

and then i guess, its i want to be happy,
so i have to define what happiness is,

and you know, happiness for me is making some one happy it is giving care friendship love to some one,
not necessary anything i get back,

but you know its funny, i want to care about some one be friends with some one, even love some one,
you think it would be easy, to love some one with out wanting or needing anything back
because its just the joy of giving that turns my crank

but you know some people its hard to love, or to be friends with or care about,
i think people have to find a way to love them self first,
and you know i think that is the bottom line

you got to love your self in order to give love and not want anything back to just love loveing some one or caring for some one not want anything in return

and you know its hard sometimes to just love your self
 

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Another truth is women really dont have a clue how men operate.
Most women think that there is a magical attraction switch that men turn on and off. So if a man see's an attractive 14 year old he is a total pervert that deserves to be locked behind bars for thinking that. However they dont realize that women dont just become sexually desireable at a preset age ie.17years and 350 days old and the next month she's a full blown sexual woman. The difference however is that a man can control himself and not break the law by doing anything illegal. Just like when he spots another attractive woman and admires her while the gf catches him staring and throws a giant insecure shitstorm. Like somehow he isn't supposed to notice other beauty just because he's committed to her. Whether he chooses to act on it is the key.
 

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Fascinating thread and many interesting perspectives.
My take is that "love" moves through several iterations as we age. The burning passion of youth is simple; it's driven by powerful hormones and the biological imperative to perpetuate our genes. Men will mate with almost any woman that has the requisite equipment, within very broad boundaries for appearance and behaviour: Mrs. Right Now. Women will succumb to the charms of a bodice-ripping, "Harlequin" hero. Love is lust.

Throughout our younger lives we are conditioned through our experiences, values and beliefs to think the way we have been taught to and to behave in acceptable ways. This results in a unique and personal model of the world, developed through a multitude of social, cultural and familial influences. This model is conditioned through a limited lense - our experiences, so our perceptive reality is created from limited input. We refine our models. A self-fulfilling prophecy develops where our beliefs produce millions of thoughts and behaviours that support our belief system. This in turn creates many more circumstances reinforcing our model and ever more thoughts and behaviours aligned with our conditioned method of thinking and behaving. This very complex cycle is difficult to break because all situations, conditions and people not congruent with our personal reality, are filtered out by our programmed brain.

This is the "love" where we may just "click" with another or we have "great chemistry" with someone aligned with our model. But the model is so complex that universal alignment is impossible. This is the stage where women may find a man who conforms to their "romantic" model in raw form. However, conciously or sub-conciously, she feels that she can condition this man into full conformance. She will than have created her personal "Mr. Right". Meanwhile, the man is thinking: why are you trying to change me. The "love" dissolves as the futility of this is finally recognized.


Later in life, we may begin to understand that our intricate lives are simply the creations of our own thoughts, behaviours and beliefs. Personality is the complex, fractal patterns that support our unique version of reality. We are likely to perpetuate our lives, however positive or negative that may be. Hopefully though, as the hormones wane, the ego is subdued and our model becomes plastic, we realize that someone who even approximates our model is a treasure, with commonalities to be savoured but also with differences to be celebrated. We hopefully become more tolerant, less judgemental, more open to possibilities and more willing to accept that the world is alive with many parallel realities. We create the option to change life-long conditioning, aspiring now to model the best of humanity; bliss, wisdom, serenity, kindness, charity - a model that I'm convinced is the "true love" that both men and women will agree on and share.
R.R.
 

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Great topic. There are many factors in a relationship. Is a guy's needs being met socially, mentally, emotionally, physically? However, I think the main thing that makes a guy stay is if he really loves the woman. If he does, he's willing to work through all the stuff that goes along with it.
 

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Gentlemen, another really good way to start a long lasting relationship is frankly tell the girl, you will see other girls for physical need eventually. Right off the get-go, tell her that. And if she hesitate to develop the relationship, think twice about it. Tell her, you like her and your heart is for her, and you will always come home for her, but you won't be physically faithful to her. And if the girl is smart enough to understand the difference between love and lust, don't let her go.
Then, you can honestly tell her," hey honey, I just banged my receptionist, but hey don't worry, it was just a one night stand. " and in that case, she has absolute rights to have a munch on her gym trainer as long as she commit her heart for you, this works pretty well.
Ah yes to live in this world. A world where we could all have multiple partners without jealousy or ego and it would rain skittles and the flowers would all be cupcakes.

The fatal flaw is that 99.8% of the women in this world, have HUGE egos and often can't get over themselves. They wouldn't see it as a guy having another sample at the buffet of life, but they would think this man was trying to hurt them or play some game. They would over think it too much and unleash a torrent or rage and jealousy. Guys would be better in this regard, but still at least two thirds would probably get emotional as well. It has to do with how we are socialized. Noah's Ark, marching two by two down the aisle, Judeo-Christian values and such. Personally, I think one should be monogamous if one is to emotionally commit, or as I stated in a prior post in this thread, see another person with your SO, as not to keep anything secret and up for speculation.
 

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rather than lust

as a woman that serves (you heard me) rather than receives the interests of the men she loves... I die to know. what makes men stay.. what makes men stray.. and when do they draw the line where they leave?
Alix:
Not sure if this documentry will answer any of your questions but it's on tonight (Feb 15th). `The Passionate Eye' CBC Newsworld. Channel 26 at 7pm and 10pm. It's called, "Love Addict: Not a Love Story". Here's a couple of quotes from the promo.

"What happens when "so-called" love becomes an obsession, destructive addiction or fatal attraction? In Love Addict: Not a Love Story, six stories reveal what it’s like to be a "love addict" and the origins of this strange disorder.

A love addict lives in a vicious cycle – focusing only on the rush, not the relationship so they rarely have healthy or normal relationships because they are unable to escape the illusion that they have created. Ultimately, the addiction can lead to depression, anxiety and despair
 

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I have met several clients who are into swing, and the open relationship they have along wth the swinger life style seems to be working for them. Also, occasional three-some seems to brings some passion back as well. So I thought, the open relationship with trust and honesty is the best way to go.
I very much like this idea of swing & open relationships. If i were looking for a GF this girl might be the one for me.
Partly also because i find Japanese SP's so much superior to Chinese.
 
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