WHo's to blame...(burning of a youth with special needs)

[no3]

Stunned and speechless....Allegedly some kids 8-11yrs took a youth with spina bifida, put him in a tool shed and burned it with him in it.
The kids allegedly cannot be tried in youth court...so besides the youth who was put through this horrific experience, who will pay the consequence?
There's plenty of blame to go around...but who will answer to the crime. I'm going to be following this closely to see the outcome. It should say a lot about who we are as a society.

 

[Ilovethemall]

nobody will pay

Nobody will pay - the only kid that "pays", was already paying by virtue of hs condition. I am just sad, this sickens me - can't even rant.

 

[Ilovethemall]

the sad thing

Problem, is that these little pukes will just go on to bigger and better and sicker crime when they are released.....they are the disease and I am not sure there is a cure.

 

[SG4EVAH]

I can almost bet that family will be facing some sort of retribution, especailly in that city, either or that Karma will be a bitch!

 

[georgebushmoron]

I don't care how old you are. When the crime is a voilent offence (esp. attempted murder) you should be charged. They are young kids fine they then must be on probation until 21 years old. Any infractions beyond minor crap gets you a sentence in juvi jail.

Shouldn't just be for violent crime. Any crime. Kids any age should know that stealing is not right and should get nailed for it. You know there's young kids who would break the window of your car to get at your stuff, or steal your laptop. I'd hate for that to happen to me, and I'd sure as hell want the kid to be punished cuz I wouldn't be allowed to wail on the kid without going to jail myself.

 

[necko]

Shouldn't just be for violent crime. Any crime. Kids any age should know that stealing is not right and should get nailed for it. You know there's young kids who would break the window of your car to get at your stuff, or steal your laptop. I'd hate for that to happen to me, and I'd sure as hell want the kid to be punished cuz I wouldn't be allowed to wail on the kid without going to jail myself.

So are u saying we should be jailing 5 yr olds for stealling a candy bar?My grandkids just wouldn't look good in Prison clothes, or how about public executions for a 10 yr who's murdered a friend by playing too rough?The real problems are in the home, parents not there because they both work or the home where thear is only one parent,its not so simple I could execute a child molester myself but not if he was 15 or younger, most child molesters them selves were molested.

 

[gravitas]

This case has me totally disgusted. As has been mentioned since the little darlings are under 12 they can't be charged whats also screwed up is that the courts can't even mandate they receive some sort of a social/personality exam and if need be councelling. All a judge can do is recommend to the parents and its up to their discretion to have the kid participate.

If we want a system where we've drawn a line in the sand that because of age some people can never be charged because they can't form intent so be it. If thats the case then charge the parents.

 

[dr_pepper]

Necko, I hear what you're saying, but the only method of repaying a debt to society is not jail time or execution. There are many many options to deal with this. Currently there isn't even the option to have these kids pick up some trash. They get off totally scott free. And that totally sends the wrong message. There has to be some type of consequence associated with bad behavior. Kids at young ages are still pliable. A heavy dose of community service, education, curfews, house arrest or the like are all options. When a crime like this is committed, I agree that the environment of the child should be closely scrutinized. If warranted, the parents should be involved in the debt repayment as well. I think the kid who was put in the building should have a heavy say in the punishment as well.

 

[necko]

This case has me totally disgusted. As has been mentioned since the little darlings are under 12 they can't be charged whats also screwed up is that the courts can't even mandate they receive some sort of a social/personality exam and if need be councelling. All a judge can do is recommend to the parents and its up to their discretion to have the kid participate.

If we want a system where we've drawn a line in the sand that because of age some people can never be charged because they can't form intent so be it. If thats the case then charge the parents.

I'm not totally against that,as a parent I was responsible for my kids to go to university, which wasn't so bad till one decided to go to school in Italy and the other in California, I went to court over that and lost, judge said I had to pay the extra cost as if they were living with me and like I had agreed ti it, so making a parent responsible for a kids criminal acts isn't that far of a reach

 

[georgebushmoron]

Of course you wouldn't send a 5 yr old to jail for stealing a candy bar. No, you'd finger print the kid at the cop station, have the kid come back for court time with a judge and be given a stern lecture and be told the kid has a record for the next 3 years unless they keep clean. And every once in awhile a cop pays the kid a visit at school, during home room. That'll keep them in line.

 

[westwoody]

This disgusted me too, and it scares me, since these little monsters will grow into adults in my town.
jjinvan-I have no problem with the age going from 12 to 10. This was not shoplifting a chocolate bar, it was an attempt to kill someone. And I don't want to hear any bullshit about "Everybody does stupid stuff when they are young". Fuck off with that crap! It was not playing a game, it was attempted murder. This is strike one in their three strikes to violent offender status.
There kids are at a formative age-if they get away with this crime, and it seems they will, they are being told that it is okay to kill people.
There was a similar case in a northern reserve in September that got no publicity, some kids sprayed a flammable substance on a twelve year old girl and set her on fire. She is still in hospital with third degree burns on her face and shoulders.
ANY violent crime, especially attempted murder should be raised to adult court, period. Instead of pandering to what is best for the fiends that did this and worrying about their rehabilitation, I want judges, who are public employess, to make sure the rest of us are safe.
Instead of worrying about inconveniencing a pack of monsters our judges and MPs should be thinking about a young girl looking forward to years of reconstructive surgery on her face.

 

[Cock Throppled]

as a parent I was responsible for my kids to go to university, which wasn't so bad till one decided to go to school in Italy and the other in California, I went to court over that and lost, judge said I had to pay the extra cost as if they were living with me and like I had agreed ti it, so making a parent responsible for a kids criminal acts isn't that far of a reach

How long are you responsible for them? If they are going to university wouldn't they be over 18? If they did this just to screw with you I guess your relationship with them was pretty bad anyway.

 

[logsplitter]

I know the kid involved. He has no family to speak of. He has severe physical and mental problems (i.q. under 65). He was new to the area and had no friends. He will chum with anyone even for negative attention because he is from a disadvantaged minority, has no friends, is mentally and physically handicapped, living in utter poverty etc. etc.. The kids that did this didn't appear to be a lot better on the i.q, test either (I don't know their i.q.'s though). Nor did thier social circumstances seem to be much better than his.

Did he deserve this? Of course not!!!!!! My point is simply that people tend to think that this could be their kids/anyone's kids and that society is failing badly and there are roming gangs of bad gus out there that put the population at large at risk. Kids in average homes with average circumstances would not likely find themselves in such a situation let alone put themselves in such risky situations and company.

What happened was really bad!!! Be realistic though in assessing just how threatened you feel when you are given more information.

 

[visioneast]

I really hate bad kids.

 

[dirtydan]

Stunned and speechless....Allegedly some kids 8-11yrs took a youth with spina bifida, put him in a tool shed and burned it with him in it.
The kids allegedly cannot be tried in youth court...so besides the youth who was put through this horrific experience, who will pay the consequence?
There's plenty of blame to go around...but who will answer to the crime. I'm going to be following this closely to see the outcome. It should say a lot about who we are as a society.

Is there plenty of blame to go around? I was listening to a rather ignorant lawyer on the radio this morning yapping about such an issue. The lawyer was hellbent on going after the parents. Yet the blowhard lawyer didn't know whether or not "bad parenting" was the root cause of this terrible incident. She only assumed there could have been. Ooo, that's not the kind of deep thinking barrister I would want working for me.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

I was listening to a rather ignorant lawyer on the radio this morning yapping about such an issue. The lawyer was hellbent on going after the parents. Yet the blowhard lawyer didn't know whether or not "bad parenting" was the root cause of this terrible incident. She only assumed there could have been. Ooo, that's not the kind of deep thinking barrister I would want working for me.

I don't care too much for children committing brutal crimes and getting away with a slap on the wrist. It begs the question, how young are they really? All cases involving children commitiing these crimes know the difference between right and wrong. The parents or the guardians for these perps are just as responsible as their kids are in their care and are obligated to raise their children with those values and ethics. Most of the stuff we have learned today is a result of our upbringing.

 

[necko]

Uh... hello?

How's about we wait til these kids are full size adults and then hand them knives and lock you up in a room with them and see if you still 'don't feel threatened'??

Or are you saying that because you fell 'less vulnerable' than the victim in this case, you think that the criminals who did this could never hurt you??? I honestly thought I would NEVER meet one of those 'crime only happens to other people, I'm safe so I don't care if you don't throw the criminals in jail' type people.. wow.. they actually exist!

As far as the other examples of throwing a 5 year old in jail for stealing a candy bar or executing a 10 (or whatever) year old for murdering a kid on the playground by playing too rough, uhh.. I have news for you, bud..

1) They don't generally lock up adults for stealing a candy bar either.. no one is saying they should be harsher with kids than adults...

2) You can't accidentally murder someone, or actually, to be 100% correct, you can't accidentally murder someone if you aren't already committing an indictable offence. So, even if you kill someone when you are 'playing rough on the playground' it isn't murder, no matter what age you are. If you were intending to cause serious bodily harm (but not kill) then it's manslaughter and if you weren't intending to harm them in any way, then it's an accident...

So, your examples are a bit 'out there'... maybe you have been listening to Jack Layton a bit too much? His arguments often sound a lot like yours...

Jack Layton is too right wing for me son, its children like you that give someone with a few bucks a bad name, I tackled someone in Highschool(football) its a sport that mostly men play but then what would u know about that, the young man I tackled was knock out for a short well, if he had died would I have been guilty of a crime according to the pansey ass rules u descibe (yes)and nothing is 100% in this world. In all the times u visited someone in jail or werein jail yourself did u think it was adequat punishment or did u think those younger kids were a easy target for u.Under the 3 strikes laws in the USA stealling a candy bar would get u lifeWalk a mile in someone elses shoes befor u are so quick to jump in

 

[Sydney]

I know the kid involved. He has no family to speak of. He has severe physical and mental problems (i.q. under 65). He was new to the area and had no friends. He will chum with anyone even for negative attention because he is from a disadvantaged minority, has no friends, is mentally and physically handicapped, living in utter poverty etc. etc.. The kids that did this didn't appear to be a lot better on the i.q, test either (I don't know their i.q.'s though). Nor did thier social circumstances seem to be much better than his.

Did he deserve this? Of course not!!!!!! My point is simply that people tend to think that this could be their kids/anyone's kids and that society is failing badly and there are roming gangs of bad gus out there that put the population at large at risk. Kids in average homes with average circumstances would not likely find themselves in such a situation let alone put themselves in such risky situations and company.

What happened was really bad!!! Be realistic though in assessing just how threatened you feel when you are given more information.

Whether or not anyone feels personally threatened by this is not the point.

Do I stop donating to prostate cancer research as a woman because I will never get the disease?

Do I stop volunteering for MADD because I do not leave the house and am at no risk of being hurt or killed by a drunk driver?

No. I do those things for others.

Looking out for eachother and keeping our communities safe for everyone (yes, even a disadvantaged retarded kid with no family or friends and no two nickels to rub together) because he has the right to be as safe as I am in my upper middle class neighborhood (and with my IQ of 120 ) as in his hovel. Those were his peers!

Your statement is very callous.

I find this whole crime very disturbing.

Sydney xo

 

[necko]

Whether or not anyone feels personally threatened by this is not the point.

Do I stop donating to prostate cancer research as a woman because I will never get the disease?

Do I stop volunteering for MADD because I do not leave the house and am at no risk of being hurt or killed by a drunk driver?

No. I do those things for others.

Looking out for eachother and keeping our communities safe for everyone, (yes, even a disadvantged retarded kid with no family or friends and no two nickels to rub together) because he has the right to be as safe as I am in my upper middle class neighborhood (and with my IQ of 120 ) as in his hovel. Those were his peers!

Your statement is very callous.

I find this whole crime very disturbing.

Sydney xo

I agree w u, but 120 and u are on this board wow

 

[souljacker]

Whether or not anyone feels personally threatened by this is not the point.

Do I stop donating to prostate cancer research as a woman because I will never get the disease?

Do I stop volunteering for MADD because I do not leave the house and am at no risk of being hurt or killed by a drunk driver?

No. I do those things for others.

Looking out for eachother and keeping our communities safe for everyone, (yes, even a disadvantged retarded kid with no family or friends and no two nickels to rub together) because he has the right to be as safe as I am in my upper middle class neighborhood (and with my IQ of 120 ) as in his hovel. Those were his peers!

Your statement is very callous.

I find this whole crime very disturbing.

Sydney xo

Here here Sydney! You've said exactly what I wanted to say, I just couldn't find a good way of putting it. Enlightened self-interest may be at the root of most laws and customs of society, but if we truly want to call ourselves decent human beings, we have to look beyond that and look out for the interests of others as well as ourselves. And we have to look out doubly for the interests of those who are less capable of looking out for themselves.