Who thinks the Carbon Footprint Tax is bullsh**?

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Drjohn

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The title says it all and not sure if everyone is aware sbout this video:


Is this really going to change your way on how you like to enjoy the finer things in life? I'd like to hear you take and please Like, Comment this post 🤙🏽
I am old enough to remember when we talked about the "weather"

Now we have heat domes and atmospheric rivers.

I do believe that pollution has had a small effect on the "climate"

The climate/weather is changing constantly over a period of millions of years.

Always has, always will.
 

too timid

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No change for me in how i enioy the finer things in life. i am between a rock and hard place, i love the earth and nature, freedom, anonymity, but also love the opportunity that money can provide . i believe in treading lightly, i try to leave as small a foot print in nature and digitally.
I have no doubt that humans have a massive effect on climate change.

We are a single use disposable, wasteful society that has millionaires flying to space to prove nothing , politicians and dignitaries flying around the world to pat each other on the back and make senseless deals that could be done remotely .Large corporations set up and exploit less developed countries that have lighter or no environment laws or no watchdog. Industry cannot pull resources from our earth fast enough to feed our demands. Often the produce i want from the main grocers has traveled half way around the world when i can see multitudes of green houses, fields and orchards growing what i want all within hours of my house, why?

We reward and idolize the wealthy and frivolous. There has always been a double standard , you can do anything as long as you pay for it, but how can a dollar amount make up for the centuries that it takes for a bog or foerst to develop or millennia that it takes for top soil to erode from the mountains to the flats

Does our society really need a social posturing financial institution gleaning and analyzing what we do with our own earned tax paid money ? How about open and clear data on every person and organization period, but i guess I doesn't matter if they pollute as long as they pay or find a loop hole or country to exploit

Incidentally underlying we are collectively trading our freedoms for 'convenience ' with a handshake from a velvet gloved steel fist

sorry for the rant from an undereducated, underperforming, privileged, tree hugging capitalist
 

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Money and deception always has the upper hand over facts & reason. Amazing how far wishful thinking and big money can push things, among people who would rather see the whole world lose than sacrifice anything themselves. People - especially those with power - will grasp at any excuse not to ever change the game that put them on top. Propaganda spews endlessly to try silencing the facts - fools who know but don't care preaching comforting bullshit to people who care but don't know.

The taxes per se do not bother me. They are necessary to get any actual clean energy transformation, for it has been proved that individuals cannot change the big scale stuff as a matter of personal effort, and industry will never change unless the decision is taken out of their hands. So what is needed is collective effort and pooled resources - and an actual plan of action that is actually carried out.
What bothers me is that taxes are treated as incentive enough all by themselves, and when the money collected goes to "feel good" bullshit like rebates tied to absolutely nothing. The government gives some back, okay. But how about not pissing away billions of dollars of general revenue provincially and federally on new GHG emitting projects which act against the whole purpose of the carbon taxes and make our emissions situation worse.

This is the difference between real climate action and political greenwashing. There has to be clarity of purpose, comittment, and discipline, but as usual, only the climate-denying evil-doers seem committed to their cause. The other side is either committed but too poor to mount a defense against all the lies, or a bunch of well-funded dilettantes who want to sound fashionable & concerned but also want the problem to just "go away" without making any actual effort.

What's "new" is that the time for such foolish gamesmanship has actually run out.
 

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Rode bicycles up to the top of Grouse in the1960s. All of Vancouver was crystal clear.
Went up a few years ago and everything was under brown smog.
Add to that the deforestation and destruction of the whole Fraser Valley from agriculture to shitty subdivisions.
You don't notice the difference on short term but on a longer scale it's horrible.
 
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80watts

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Another tax grab. Bad for everybody. If the tax was going to improve climate change along with public infrastructure (eg. electric trains, mass transit); it wouldn't be bad. But the tax will go to general revenue to pay for social services.
High speed trains between Canadian cities. These lines could have windmills, or solar to supply nation wide electrical grid.
Creates job for construction of lines and maintenance afterward. Eliminates plane travel and fuel usage.
Why is it bad for everybody. Tax is going into the same old system, that is totally going out of controll with spending.
 

rlock

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Rode bicycles up to the top of Grouse in the1960s. All of Vancouver was crystal clear.
Went up a few years ago and everything was under brown smog.
Add to that the deforestation and destruction of the whole Fraser Valley from agriculture to shitty subdivisions.
You don't notice the difference on short term but on a longer scale it's horrible.

When the homes above the Mary Hill Bypass were built, coming over the Port Man it looked like someone had glued a bunch of Monopoly houses to the hillside.
 

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I've been buying plastic straws every time I see them. I got thousands of them. Soon I will be selling them out of the back of a semi or on the street corner, "Hey pal, forget buying a Rolex, I got genuine plastic straws for sale here!

Climate change is very real, but the carbon tax, among many others, are overkill. There's a tax on almost everything we do, unless you're rich or "well off". The poor, me and all the slaves to jobs they can barely bear (?), we pay all the taxes.

Something has to change, but it won't. We're an apathetic society with cell phones that have replaced teething rings. We don't need change, we need more apps!

I've been priced out of everything, especially this hobby, like gas for my car. I can't afford it, but I need it! Lubrication for jerking off, it's too expensive, but I need it. No need to mention renting in Vancouver proper, I want/need/prefer it, but I'm priced out.

So look for me on any local street corner and buy a plastic straw from me. By donation only 😜
 

80watts

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The thing to do is restart the economy on a circular cycle of recycling. Biggest problem is recycling all plastics or reusing plastics for secondary things.
There are more plastic fishing nets in the ocean than plastic straws. Recycling stinks, which is why you won't see major recycling of plastics anywhere near a city.

The other thing is unscrupulous business practice of dumping trash in the ocean for the last 100 or more years.

I was watching the news, there was a older Japanese couple?? who were cleaning up after they attended a sports event, the garbage the rest of the spectators left tells you how much people really care about things. People don't pick up after themselves in public, that is the first behaviour society has to change. The other is respect for other people.
 
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