Who do you think is going to the New President in the USA.

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Would it be Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama? Oprah, supports Obama!

How much influence will Oprah Winfrey to make in this election?



If anyone cares.
 

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We'll see what happens. I've joked along the same lines... I certainly wouldn't put it past him, but I'm sure there's checks and balances somewhere to stop him from doing that.
 
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Obama looks like a jerk to me, only a different coloured jerk.

Don't know much about Hillary, but she is for sure no conman(woman) like Bush and Cheney and has a husband who has proven he is decent and has the people's welfare on his mind.

Sad thing is, whoever wins will have to clean up after Bush and has to fill the depleted treasury.

After the Democrats cleaned up, there will come another set of Republican voltures and rob the people blind, ruin the Americans' reputation and kill a few thousand of them for profit.

If I was a democrat candidate I would say, you messed up, you clean up! And tell the people to shove it, because they have elected the conmen TWICE, so they should enjoy them for another 12 years until the US will look like a third world country and people will wake up.

By the way, what kind of democracy is it where 350 million people can chose between two people? And those people are never too smart or competent.
 
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Idealism might be the democrats downfall.

Like most liberal leaning people I fully support the idea of having a political leader (PM or President) who is a visible minority and or a woman. I'd vote for Afro-Canadian lesbian in a wheelchair if she was the best person for the job. But I think this is highly unlikely to happen in the US at this point in time.

I think the democrats feel that they will win by a landslide simply because of the anti-war, anti-bush, anti-republican sentiment that is growing in the US, and that because of this, now is the idea time to back minority candidates because they simply can't lose. Sadly, I do not think this will work if it comes down to Obama or Clinton for president I don't even want to imagine 1 for prez and the other for VP.

Why?

Clinton Issues

1. A HUGE percentage of the US population are Evangelicals (some put the figure near 50% of the entire population), who tend to feel women are inherently inferior and belong in the home not leading the most powerful country in the world. And evangelicals are certainly not the only people with this bias.

2. I think it would be wise to consider international diplomacy and gender bias. We like to think we live in a society where gender doesn't really matter. This is far from the case around the world. The majority of countries in the Middle East, and many in Asia and Africa, have societies where women's rights are limited and women are considered 2nd class citizens. Might having a female president not strain relations, considering some view a man and woman even shaking hands forbidden? If a government should be taken over by Islamic extremists might they not view that as just another proof that the West is unholy and worthy of Jihad? **By no means am I suggesting that all Muslims are sexist or extremist, some have successful female politicians, but this is certainly not the state of all nations, political parties or people.

3. Clinton has a history of flip flopping, possible corruption and frankly some just find her difficult to like, both Democrats & Republicans.

Obama Issues

1. I think we'd be fooling ourselves if we denied that there continues to be a significant amount of racism in the US (and of course here in Canada). I think this may be a significant stumbling block for Obama to overcome.

2. "He's just not black enough" This is apparently a fairly common sentiment among the black population in the US, who typically vote democrat.

3. He's quite inexperienced politically and is he the right man to take over a country that is already entangled in a highly unsuccessful and costly war, on the verge of war with Iran, with diplomatic relations strained all around the world, and a colossal deficit? Unless he surrounds himself with the very best advisers, I think he'll be in over his head. And I doubt this has gone unnoticed by even the most idealistic democrats.

I am not suggesting that democrats would jump ship because of these issues, but it might sway enough that the landslide they are expecting doesn't materialize and they only win by a margin. I do think that they might lose a significant amount of the republican vote that they hope to sway because of these issues. All of this would be compounded significantly if the Republican nominee is somewhat of a moderate and unaffiliated with Bush.

I never thought I'd say this :( but I don't think now is the right time to be pushing a visible minority as political leader, there is simply too much at stake to be supporting a candidate on principle, rather than qualifications and effectiveness.
 

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I said it a year and a half ago and have seen nothing in the past eighteen months that would cause me to change my mind: John Edwards will be inaugurated as the 44th president of the United States in January of 2009.
 

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Either Romney or Giuliani providing that they can address the mormon issue and the pro choice one in Giuliani's case to win the GOP nomination. As it stands right now I don't see either of the Democrat nominations being Presidential material. Both fron runners are far too liberal to have appeal to the general six pack joe American. In addition historically most presidents have held State chief executive positions and neither of the two democrats have nor have they served numerous multiple terms in the senate or congress.
 
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I find that hilarious. What do they want, a guy who speaks ebonic and dresses like a pimp?
I know!

I *think* (don't quote me, it's almost 4am and I just can't be bothered to google it) it was during a Kerry campaign speech but I found this priceless...

Before Obama's speech/endorsement, his wife was to "introduce him." The end of her intro speech....

"......, and my baby daddy, Senator Barack Obama." Talk about pandering to the masses. I hope she wrote that on her own and that a campaign spin doc took her out back and smacked her around a bit so she'd never say anything that stupid or insulting again.
 

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Marg Thatcher seemed to be able to run the British parliment quite suuccessfully for many years... I do wonder though who will be strong enough for the American people. They have a pretty large hole to dig themselves out of...:( :(
 

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if oprah can support obama,I can support euro szabina for president.
I'll second that nomination.

as much as i would like to see Hilliary , many are saying that bush and his power hungry gang are not going to let it happen......
the republican gang does not want a woman nor a black in power.

they did not win last time , they stole it in florida.
they will do anything to hold POWER.
Sorry, but this is paranoia at it's best.
There was a LOT of controversy over the first Bush election & I don't see the political powers that be willing to endure the scrutiny again.

Like most liberal leaning people I fully support the idea of having a political leader (PM or President) who is a visible minority and or a woman. I'd vote for Afro-Canadian lesbian in a wheelchair if she was the best person for the job. But I think this is highly unlikely to happen in the US at this point in time.
Why?

Clinton Issues

1. A HUGE percentage of the US population are Evangelicals (some put the figure near 50% of the entire population), who tend to feel women are inherently inferior and belong in the home not leading the most powerful country in the world. And evangelicals are certainly not the only people with this bias.
I don't disagree with the unlikelyhood of Clinton becoming Pres. I just disagree with your premise.

The US has the highest number of women in an occupation working outside the home, as well as women in various levels of management.
They also have the most millionare women of all the countries in the world, in fact 7 of the top 10 richest women in the world are from the US.

Over 95% of the 100 largest US companies have female board members compared to only 41% in Britain which leads the rest of Europe with the number of women in management.

I suggest you give this a read, I think you would appreciate it.:
Americas Competitive Secret-Women Managers

What does this equate to & who really gives a damn?
Well, the women give a damn & this means that they have not only finacial means but the power & influence inherent to it.

American women will make their voice heard more in this upcomming election than ever before in history & that is something to weigh heavy on the players in the field.

Oprah comming out & supporting Obama was a huge event in the political landscape & should be a signal "For whom the Bell Tolls" in regard to Cinton.
The J. Donne poem is fitting here as I remember this portion:
"for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him" (just take out him & replace it with Clinton)

Women in America have mixed emotions about Clinton, they love to see a woman rise to power like her but they think she is enough of a bitch that they won't vote for her in unison.

2. I think it would be wise to consider international diplomacy and gender bias. We like to think we live in a society where gender doesn't really matter. This is far from the case around the world. The majority of countries in the Middle East, and many in Asia and Africa, have societies where women's rights are limited and women are considered 2nd class citizens. Might having a female president not strain relations, considering some view a man and woman even shaking hands forbidden? If a government should be taken over by Islamic extremists might they not view that as just another proof that the West is unholy and worthy of Jihad? **By no means am I suggesting that all Muslims are sexist or extremist, some have successful female politicians, but this is certainly not the state of all nations, political parties or people.
No need to apologise for stating a truth it is well known what the religious & ethical positions are in numerous countries around the world.
Read here:
Saudi gang-rape victim

By the way, Canada is ranked #7 in gender equality which is above the US.

Guess who's on the other end of the scale?
Worst gender equality


3. Clinton has a history of flip flopping, possible corruption and frankly some just find her difficult to like, both Democrats & Republicans.

Obama Issues

1. I think we'd be fooling ourselves if we denied that there continues to be a significant amount of racism in the US (and of course here in Canada). I think this may be a significant stumbling block for Obama to overcome.

2. "He's just not black enough" This is apparently a fairly common sentiment among the black population in the US, who typically vote democrat.

3. He's quite inexperienced politically and is he the right man to take over a country that is already entangled in a highly unsuccessful and costly war, on the verge of war with Iran, with diplomatic relations strained all around the world, and a colossal deficit? Unless he surrounds himself with the very best advisers, I think he'll be in over his head. And I doubt this has gone unnoticed by even the most idealistic democrats.

I am not suggesting that democrats would jump ship because of these issues, but it might sway enough that the landslide they are expecting doesn't materialize and they only win by a margin. I do think that they might lose a significant amount of the republican vote that they hope to sway because of these issues. All of this would be compounded significantly if the Republican nominee is somewhat of a moderate and unaffiliated with Bush.

I never thought I'd say this :( but I don't think now is the right time to be pushing a visible minority as political leader, there is simply too much at stake to be supporting a candidate on principle, rather than qualifications and effectiveness.
I'll have to give a little creedance to your postulation here in spite of my earlier comments about Opra's endorsement.
It is still my opinion that Obama will be the Democratic Parties nominee for the presidential ticket.

Either Romney or Giuliani providing that they can address the mormon issue and the pro choice one in Giuliani's case to win the GOP nomination. As it stands right now I don't see either of the Democrat nominations being Presidential material. Both fron runners are far too liberal to have appeal to the general six pack joe American. In addition historically most presidents have held State chief executive positions and neither of the two democrats have nor have they served numerous multiple terms in the senate or congress.
Unfortunately I don't see Romney or Giuliani making the GOP's nomination acceptance speech as Huckabee is gaining strong popularity & has no apparent downside.
So this puts McCain running against Huckabee for the honours of the Republican nomination.

Personally, I just don't like that stuffed shirt McCain & think the GOP would do better with Huckabee.

Add all the ingredients into the soup bowl & I think we will be seeing another Arkansas Governor in the Whitehouse so long as he can distance himself from the nightmare that is currently in there.

God Bless America - please!
 

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Don't know enough but would have to say that Hillary is stumbling but correcting it via millions. Obama has millions and has corrected his loss. The hill wins by limited means in Iowa.
 

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as much as i would like to see Hilliary , many are saying that bush and his power hungry gang are not going to let it happen......
the republican gang does not want a woman nor a black in power.
dems are business/stock market based
rupubs are based on the war machine
how can they stop the election and keep bush and cheny and the war machine in power?
easy!!!!!
they have to have a declared war!!!
if they declare war on Iran the country then is in a state of war and they can postpone elections.
and dont say it will never happen...its bush!!!
they did not win last time , they stole it in florida.
they will do anything to hold POWER.
You are about 50% correct ...but a good effort nonetheless. War with Iran isn't enough...since it would be air only. Actually, what is more likely to happen is a planned terrorist attack on US soil by the US gov't, and then the gov't declares a state of emergency, martial law is imposed for a little while and elections are postponed.

Look for explosions at a few major ports on the East and West Coast...thus, the very infrastruction of the US is under attack. Sounds like a national emergency to me...with not too many casualties.
 

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Unfortunately I don't see Romney or Giuliani making the GOP's nomination acceptance speech as Huckabee is gaining strong popularity & has no apparent downside.
Wrong. When he was a fringe candidate and more or less a point of interest because of his unusual name, Huckabee was given a free pass by the press. Now that he's become a serious candidate, he will be subject to the sort of intense scrutiny that any major candidate receives and he is going to be found wanting in a lot of areas. I have friends in Arkansas who say he was the worst governor of their lifetime (how they could make such a claim when the state had Orval Faubus as governor during the Civil Rights era is a whole other matter :eek: ).

Huckabee's surge in popularity at the moment comes because many evangelical Republicans view Mormonism as a cult and could never bring themselves to vote for Mitt Romney (a Mormon). But evangelical Christians do not represent the entire base of the Republican party by any stretch of the imagination and no matter how enamoured they may be with Huckabee, as his shortcomings become more evident, he will not have sufficient support from the party as a whole to win the Republican nomination.
 

Krustee

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Huckabee? No apparent downside?

Well other than the fact he is a lunatic, I guess not.
Care to expound upon that statement?

I think it has no foundation but I'm open minded enough to listen.
 

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I'm an american and I thought I had the election figured out last February. First let me say I think George Bush is an intelligent man. George Bush senoir that is , junior is an idiot. The job junior has done should keep any Republican neo-con from winning the office. I have 2 reasons to dislike the current president. One was when he came on TV and said "I have just decided to spend 350 billion of your money not my money to invade Iraq''. Well actually it will be in the trillions with still no way out. His daddy told him not to go in there. Boy, I sure am glad they found those weapons of mass destruction. I dont think we can afford these tax and spend Republicans. Liberal George has doubled the size of government. Record deficits anyone? Any American voting for another neo-con would have to be an idiot but we do have a lot of them.
The second reason I have to dislike the current president is I figure he has elected Hillary Clinton all by himself. After the lousy job he did she should be a shoo-in. I figure she still has the money and the political power in the democrat party to pull it off. I have a Ron Paul sticker on my bumper. He is probably the only true Republican they have in their party.
 
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