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Congratulations George.... I know you feel good about your Military Service now......

Rick A. Ulbright, Pfc. Daniel P. Unger, Spc. Robert Oliver Unruh, 1st Sgt. Ernest E. Utt, Sgt. Michael A. Uvanni, Staff Sgt. Gary A. Vaillant, Lance Cpl. Ruben Valdez Jr., Sgt. Melissa Valles, Spc. Allen J. Vandayburg, Spc. Josiah H. Vandertulip, Chief Warrant Officer Brian K. Van Dusen, Lance Cpl. John J. Vangyzen IV, Lance Cpl. Gary F. Van Leuven, Staff Sgt. Mark D. Vasquez, Spc. Frances M. Vega, 1st Lt. Michael W. Vega, Staff Sgt. Paul A. Velazquez, Cpl. David M. Vicente, Sgt. 1st Class Joselito O. Villanueva, Cpl. Scott M. Vincent, Staff Sgt. Kimberly A. Voelz, Staff Sgt. Michael S. Voss, Spc. Thai Vue, Lance Cpl. Michael B. Wafford, Sgt. Christopher A. Wagener, Sgt. Gregory L. Wahl, Staff Sgt. Allan K. Walker, Sgt. Jeffery C. Walker, Sgt. Donald Ralph Walters, Pvt. Jason M. Ward, Pfc. Nachez Washalanta, Lance Cpl. Christopher B. Wasser, Pvt. David L. Waters, Staff Sgt. Kendall Damon Waters-Bey, Maj. William R. Watkins III, Petty Officer 2nd Class Christopher E. Watts, Chief Warrant Officer Aaron A. Weaver, Spc. Michael S. Weger, Staff Sgt. David J. Weisenburg, Spc. Douglas J. Weismantle, Pfc. Michael Russell Creighton Weldon, Lance Cpl. Larry L. Wells, Chief Warrant Officer Stephen M. Wells, Spc. Jeffrey M. Wershow, Spc. Christopher J. Rivera Wesley, Sgt. James G. West, 1st Lt. Alexander E. Wetherbee, Spc. Donald L. Wheeler, Sgt. Mason Douglas Whetstone, Pfc. Marquis A. Whitaker.

Staff Sgt. Aaron Dean White, Lt. Nathan D. White, Sgt. Steven W. White, Lance Cpl. William W. White, Pfc. Joey D. Whitener ,Spc. Chase R. Whitman, Spc. Michael J. Wiesemann, Cpl. Joshua S. Wilfong ,Sgt. Eugene Williams, Lance Cpl. Michael J. Williams, Spc. Michael L. Williams, Sgt. Taft V. Williams ,1st Lt. Charles L. Wilkins III, Sgt. 1st Class Christopher R. Willoughby, Spc. Dana N. Wilson, Command Sgt. Maj. Jerry L. Wilson, Staff Sgt. Joe N. Wilson, Lance Cpl. Lamont N. Wilson, Lance Cpl. Nicholas Wilt, 1st Lt. Ronald Winchester, Spc. Trevor A. Wine, Lance Cpl. William J. Wiscowiche, Spc. Robert A. Wise, Spc. Michelle M. Witmer, Pfc. Owen D. Witt, Spc. James R. Wolf, 2nd Lt. Jeremy L. Wolfe, Sgt. Elijah Tai Wah Wong, Sgt. Brian M. Wood, Capt. George A. Wood, Spc. Michael R. Woodliff, Spc. James C. Wright, Pfc. Jason G. Wright, 2nd Lt. John T. Wroblewski, Lance Cpl. Daniel R. Wyatt, Pfc. Stephen E. Wyatt, Sgt. Michael E. Yashinski, Sgt. Henry Ybarra III, Pfc. Rodricka A. Youmans, Sgt. Ryan C. Young, Lance Cpl. Andrew J. Zabierek, Spc. Nicholas J. Zangara, Spc. Mark Anthony Zapata, Pfc. Nicholaus E. Zimmer, Cpl. Ian T. Zook, Lance Cpl. Robert P. Zurheide Jr.

May they rest in peace.

And may they forgive us someday.



-- Michael Moore
 

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Do the estimated 15,000- 100, 000 ( who really knows the true number ? ) deaths of Iraqi civilians not bear mentioning?

Or is that not a factor because that's the cost for freedom from a brutal dictator?
 

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I was asking only about Michael Moore and I copied those names from an email I was sent today.

I feel sorry for those that he inspires such vitriol in.

Perhaps the so called "has been" powers of Europe just actually like to play by the rules....not make them up as they go along like some presidents we know.


PS Mike, I would like an apology or a retraction as I am very far from being an idiot.
 
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My comments,

".....thanks to the determination of President Bush to make this world better."

He has actually made the world a shittier place with his war-mongoring policies.

"Shame on the has-been powers of Europe for freeloading and watching from their ivory towers as the USA does the dirty work of making the world a better place."

Making the world a better place should be a joint effort and AGREED UPON rather than invading a sovereign nation for your own interests.
 

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Mike,

Does making the world a better place come at the expense of the estimated 15,000 to 100,000 civilian deaths?

Did the USA go to war over rape rooms?

Should countries invade and kill thousands of people based on FEAR of the weapons they think they might have? A country which claims high moral ground, and claims to be gentle and have the highest respect for life doesn't make 100% sure of their intelligence before going to war?
 

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One further point......the US MADE Saddam Hussein.

George Bush Sr. sold him the weapons of mass destruction and the US allowed him to roam free for decades. Just because they ousted a person that they put into power allows them no moral high ground whatsoever.
 

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That's a hollow point VD...

vancouverderek said:
One further point......the US MADE Saddam Hussein.

George Bush Sr. sold him the weapons of mass destruction and the US allowed him to roam free for decades. Just because they ousted a person that they put into power allows them no moral high ground whatsoever.
If you sell someone a gun who says he's only going to use it for self-defence, and ten years hence turns around and murders someone with it, then that doesn't mean you made him into a murderer. People, situations and conditions change or evolve. Saddam became a demagogue, just as countless rulers have in the past. Very few of us have the benefit and wisdom of foresight, but most of us suffer from a healthy dose of hindsight...
 

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Does it allow them any moral high ground over his abolition, Maury?

They knew perfectly well what he was going to be doing with the weapons he was sold. You only buy an AK 47 to cut someone in half with it....plain and simple.... it aint a target practice gun.
 

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china, france and russia account for infinitely more traditional/chemical/biological weapons, nuclear technology, questionable infrastructure than the USA could ever be "blamed" for

You make me laugh.... why arent any of these people policing the fucking world then?
 

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SG....I just want to know if anyone has seen him...seen a clip from him... a soundbite....anything... its odd that such a mouthpiece is silent right now....thats all I wanted to know...

Obviously he scares some people though.
 

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Cant expect Bush supporters to understand those big words....

Just in case you are interested.... Michael Moore is not the only filmmaker that you should be afraid of..



Frenchman takes own stab at Bush (The World According To Bush)
Hollywood Reporter ^ | June 22, 2004 | By Shiraz Sidhva


Posted on 07/14/2004 2:53:42 PM PDT by weegee


PARIS -- When "Fahrenheit 9/11" was selected for the Cannes film festival, another documentary about George W. Bush was waiting in the wings in case Michael Moore's film wasn't ready in time. "The organizers were keen to include our film in the Official Selection but felt it was politically incorrect to have two anti-Bush documentaries at Cannes," says Jean-Francois Lepetit, whose Flach Film produced "Le Monde Selon Bush" (The World According to Bush).

Directed by seasoned documentary maker William Karel, the 90-minute film could scarcely be more different to Moore's pamphlet that went on to win the Palme d'Or. Karel's style is sober, eschewing humor and stunts in favor of heavyweight interviews.

"Le Monde" is a scathing attack on Bush's first 1,000 days in power, and chronicles the first family's alleged links with the oil and arms industries.

Originally made for French pubcaster France 2, the documentary premiered on television last Friday, but in an unusual move will open theatrically in France on Wednesday. "We wanted to give the film a wider audience," Lepetit explains.

Inspired by journalist-author Eric Laurent's two books on the Bush administration, "Le Monde" is the fifth film by Karel examining American political power. The Tunisian-born Swiss director insists he "adores" America, but chose to make the film because "it's a true story stranger than fiction."

Spending more than eight months battling "the veil of secrecy" surrounding those in office, Karel managed 26 detailed interviews, with personalities including Secretary of State Colin Powell, neo-conservative Richard Perle, former CIA directors James Woosley and David Kay, writer Norman Mailer, academics and journalists. "I was amazed how willing some people were to be interviewed, straight after they had left government and were no longer bound by secrecy laws," Karel says.

The €500,000 ($605,000) film covers many topics, including how the "Christian right Israeli lobby" has influenced U.S. policy in the Middle East and how the Sept. 11 attack gave a "clueless" Bush his raison d'etre -- the "crusade" against terrorism, the "false pretext" under which the second war on Iraq was waged, and the "big lie" linking Saddam Hussein to Sept. 11. The film illustrates how George Bush Sr., first as vice president and then as president from 1988 to 1992, armed and financed Hussein. The Bush family's alleged ties to the Bin Laden clan and Saudi Arabia are also examined.

Karel insists his film is not a French diatribe against America but rather a gathering of eyewitness accounts from Americans who lived through the times. "To think President Richard Nixon was impeached because of three tapes!" Karel exclaims. He hopes the film will be seen in the United States. "None of my films have made it to the U.S., but I'm hopeful that this one will," he says.
 

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I had taken the conscious decision to stay out of this kind of thing on here, because one of you correctly suggested that I was probably too involved in it. However, on this one, I need to post on a few points.

Dirty Uncle:
"After May, 1940, but before the summer of '41, there wasn't much of a multi-lateral approach to Hitler. The British Empire opposed him, and that was it. The US wasn't in the war. Neither was Russia. Most of Europe was occupied. France had made peace with Germany and started rounding up Jews for the concentration camps. The multi-lateralists there (Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Hungary, etc) were, I think its safe to say, the bad guys."

-The British Empire may have been effectively the only ones fighting the Nazis at that point, but the Czechoslovaks, Poles, Belgians, Dutch, and French had strong underground resistance movements that were heavily involved in the fight. Before you declare that part of WWII as a unilateral action opposing the Axis, remember, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand were sovereign nations who chose to fight the Nazis. You do a disservice to all those from those and other nations who fought and died for that worthy cause when you strip away their nation status. Spain was never a part of WWII. Not for one, single day.

"Why do we call police states run by dictators "sovereign nations", and accord them the same respect as democratic countries that observe the rule of law and respect individual rights? Doesn't that tend to denigrate the value of a free society like ours? Let's face it, we are, without a doubt, a better society than, say, Iran, or Sudan, just to name two competitors in the "sovereign nation" category.

A "sovereign nation' run by one man and his gang isn't really sovereign. Its really a captive nation."

I think we can all agree that a democratically elected government counts as a sovereign nation deserving of respect. Unless of course you are the US, who has overthrown such regimes in Iran and Chile, and most recently in Haiti. It wasn't so long ago that the US military forcibly exiled the rightful head of Haiti because 'one man and his gang decided to terrorize the population with an organized, criminal, uprising. I guess Haitians are less deserving of democracy than we are, or even the Iraqis are.

Maury B:

"If you sell someone a gun who says he's only going to use it for self-defence, and ten years hence turns around and murders someone with it, then that doesn't mean you made him into a murderer. People, situations and conditions change or evolve. Saddam became a demagogue, just as countless rulers have in the past."

-Saddam Hussein wasn't brought to power by the US. He was ruthless in his path to seizing control of the Iraqi Ba'ath party. He was a brutal dictator from the start, even before the Iranian revolution which prompted the US to take him close to their busoms and arm him. Their was never any intention that Saddam was to use those weapons for self-defense, as you suggest. He was armed with the sole purpose of waging war with Iran. The American's motivation on that one? To gain revenge for the Iranians deposing the American-propped up dictator, the Shah, and for the hostage crisis. No love of democracy there, either.

dem·a·gogue also dem·a·gog ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dm-gôg, -gg)
n.
A leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace.

Saddam Hussein seized power by ruthlessness and brutality. He never appealed to anything within the Iraqi people but their fears. Fears of him, that is. Now from that definition, I see more Bush than Hussein.

Mike Hawk:

-No matter how big a font you choose to type in, you can't hide from the records showing that the US sold chemical and biological weapons to Iraq in the eighties, even after he used them against the Kurds. They may not have been the only ones, but they definitely were involved.

Yes, I hate Bush and think he is doing the world great harm with his foreign policy. I will never stop speaking out against that. However, the American populace, knowing what they were doing, reelected him, so we shouldn't say anything about his domestic agenda. That's all I have to say for now.
 

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Another....

Latest anti-Bush doc low on clownish Michael Moore-esque evidence, high on credibility
By Brooke Rothman
Culture Writer

Call it a global conspiracy, but anti-Bush documentaries are taking over the movie world. The last year brought us films like Fahrenheit 9/11 and Control Room, and a week after the Republican Convention came Hijacking Catastrophe: 9/11, Fear and the Selling of American Empire, written by Jeremy Earp and Sut Jhally.

On October 5, Cinema Politica, a free film series sponsored by Concordia University [see last issue for details] gave Montreal students a chance to experience Hijacking Catastrophe, a new documentary by the Media Education Foundation. For those who agreed with many of Michael Moore’s views in Fahrenheit 9/11, but despised his irresponsible tactics, Hijacking Catastrophe lends more credibility. It focuses on Bush’s false justifications for his government’s spending on the war, but without the fluff and Flint, Michigan.

Hijacking Catastrophe uses accessible imagery, facts, and comments by American intellectuals (such as Noam Chomsky, and 1997 Nobel Peace Prize winner Jody Williams) to examine how the Republican Party has used fear resulting from the 9/11 terrorist attacks to radically change the face of foreign policy. By distracting Americans with a new threat in the form of Iraq, the Bush Administration has enabled a rolling-back of various American civil liberties and social programs. The documentary asserts that Bush is using the war in Iraq to advance American military power, while misleading the people by inciting fear through propaganda.

While Fahrenheit 9/11 kept the audience enthralled with clownish evidence of Bush’s backhandedness using Moore’s own form of comedic propaganda, Hijacking Catastrophe has an approach with more depth. It presents the facts clearly and concisely, using short clips of Bush’s idiosyncratic speeches followed by clever remarks from influential Americans, appealing even to the younger generation through an interview with reggae artist and activist Michael Franti.

The documentary not only focuses on the fatal effects of Bush’s self-serving war, but pays attention to the individual players. Using photos of Bush uncomfortably dressed in an army uniform while visiting the troops, narrator Julian Bond accuses the White House men of being “double whammy chicken hawks,” playing the war with Iraq as if it were a board game. None of them had to fight in the war of their generation (much less this one); instead, they passed their duties off to the average American.

Noam Chomsky praised Hijacking Catastrophe as a “highly meritorious effort to raise public awareness and understanding.” The documentary reveals why an average American might vote for Bush, mocking the President’s simplicity with clips of him rejoicing over cutting down a tree or walking with an axe on his Texas ranch.

Though it’s easy to picture a middle school class watching this documentary in U.S. History class ten years from now, Hijacking Catastrophe uses meticulous detail in good taste to prove its point: it is essential for Americans to be informed and make their voices heard in the coming election.
 
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