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Although sex workers disagree as to the effectiveness of review boards, all sex workers agree that being reviewed should be a matter of personal choice.

Because sex workers are diverse individuals, there are a variety of reasons why one might opt for a no review policy. Some sex workers find public discussion of intimate moments to be commodifying whereas other sex workers find the online bragging in descriptive reviews to be distasteful. However, the most important reason is because the discussion of intimate sexual acts is evidence of having once done sex work. Because the life of review boards extends beyond the career of sex workers, there is always the potential that online reviews will compromise the future life/career choices of an individual sex worker.

Some review boards, most notably The Erotic Review, take away the choice of individual sex workers to decide for themselves whether or not to be reviewed. To them, the right of the client to review supersedes the right of the sex worker to personal discretion. This all-consuming power is based upon the myth that the threat of a negative review is the only thing that ensures that a client will receive quality service from a sex worker. Not only does this inaccurate notion reinforce the stereotype that sex workers are inherently unethical but it also implies that sex workers cannot discern that providing quality service will result in increased business.

Because The Erotic Review will not allow sex workers to opt-out of being reviewed, some sex workers have taken creative measures in an attempt to be de-listed. Recently, a sex worker deliberately created a “client” handle and submitted a fake review for herself, in the hope that breaking the board’s review policy would get her banned and, consequently, her reviews deleted.

When The Erotic Review discovered that she had successfully written her own review in an attempt to be de-listed from the site, they refused. As the sex worker keenly observed, with no penalties for writing fake reviews, it incentivizes others to also write fake reviews on their website. As it stands today, by not upholding their own rules, The Erotic Review has not only discredited itself but has also diluted the quality and veracity of all of its reviews. No one – not even clients and sex workers who rely on reviews for information and/or marketing purposes – can trust the reviews on The Erotic Review. Now, anyone can write a fake review with impunity.

However, to me, the most disconcerting part of the story remains the inability of sex workers to freely choose whether or not to be reviewed. When the decision to be reviewed is made by clients and/or review board administrators, then it reinforces the stereotype that the sex industry is not only coercive but that it is also an unequal power dynamic which favours men. Whenever the consensual sex industry upholds coercive stereotypes, then it becomes more difficult for sex work advocates to argue that sex work is legitimate work which should be decriminalized.

Remember, the internet is a public forum. Negative stories about the sex industry will inevitably reach the ears of anti-sex work groups who will use examples of coercion within the consensual sex industry to argue that sex work cannot be legitimate work. When this happens, it not only sets back the cause of sex worker rights and decriminalization of the industry, but it also might prompt the powers-that-be to crack down on the sex industry. There might be more efforts to curb sex work through stings against clients/sex workers and more regulations which impede freedoms.

We should never forget that everyone in the sex industry is on the same team: clients, sex workers, and third parties. If we are not working together, then we are working against one another. When that happens, we all pay the price.

https://realsexindustry.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/when-being-reviewed-is-not-a-choice/
 

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False premise: existence of reviews in NOT predicated on the assumption that all prostitutes are dishonest.

Second false premise: assumption that all players are equal partners. Some on either side have bad motivations.
 

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If I can't find a review I don't bother calling. I don't see the need to take a risk when there's plenty of girls with good reviews I haven't seen yet
 

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Although sex workers disagree as to the effectiveness of review boards, all sex workers agree that being reviewed should be a matter of personal choice.

Because sex workers are diverse individuals, there are a variety of reasons why one might opt for a no review policy. Some sex workers find public discussion of intimate moments to be commodifying whereas other sex workers find the online bragging in descriptive reviews to be distasteful. However, the most important reason is because the discussion of intimate sexual acts is evidence of having once done sex work. Because the life of review boards extends beyond the career of sex workers, there is always the potential that online reviews will compromise the future life/career choices of an individual sex worker.

Some review boards, most notably The Erotic Review, take away the choice of individual sex workers to decide for themselves whether or not to be reviewed. To them, the right of the client to review supersedes the right of the sex worker to personal discretion. This all-consuming power is based upon the myth that the threat of a negative review is the only thing that ensures that a client will receive quality service from a sex worker. Not only does this inaccurate notion reinforce the stereotype that sex workers are inherently unethical but it also implies that sex workers cannot discern that providing quality service will result in increased business.

Because The Erotic Review will not allow sex workers to opt-out of being reviewed, some sex workers have taken creative measures in an attempt to be de-listed. Recently, a sex worker deliberately created a “client” handle and submitted a fake review for herself, in the hope that breaking the board’s review policy would get her banned and, consequently, her reviews deleted.

When The Erotic Review discovered that she had successfully written her own review in an attempt to be de-listed from the site, they refused. As the sex worker keenly observed, with no penalties for writing fake reviews, it incentivizes others to also write fake reviews on their website. As it stands today, by not upholding their own rules, The Erotic Review has not only discredited itself but has also diluted the quality and veracity of all of its reviews. No one – not even clients and sex workers who rely on reviews for information and/or marketing purposes – can trust the reviews on The Erotic Review. Now, anyone can write a fake review with impunity.

However, to me, the most disconcerting part of the story remains the inability of sex workers to freely choose whether or not to be reviewed. When the decision to be reviewed is made by clients and/or review board administrators, then it reinforces the stereotype that the sex industry is not only coercive but that it is also an unequal power dynamic which favours men. Whenever the consensual sex industry upholds coercive stereotypes, then it becomes more difficult for sex work advocates to argue that sex work is legitimate work which should be decriminalized.

Remember, the internet is a public forum. Negative stories about the sex industry will inevitably reach the ears of anti-sex work groups who will use examples of coercion within the consensual sex industry to argue that sex work cannot be legitimate work. When this happens, it not only sets back the cause of sex worker rights and decriminalization of the industry, but it also might prompt the powers-that-be to crack down on the sex industry. There might be more efforts to curb sex work through stings against clients/sex workers and more regulations which impede freedoms.

We should never forget that everyone in the sex industry is on the same team: clients, sex workers, and third parties. If we are not working together, then we are working against one another. When that happens, we all pay the price.

https://realsexindustry.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/when-being-reviewed-is-not-a-choice/
TER over the past few years had gone from a review board to a Penthouse forums style board. Encouraging a circle jerk if you will.

I take pride in my reviews being informative yet not so graphic that the lady may be offended. Given I'm the type to repeat many times; I don't go so graphic that I won't be welcomed back.

This is where I because disillusioned with TER. I'd get 3 or 4 edit requests; each demanding more graphic in nature or they weren't going to post it.

Demanding to know if CIMWS or spit? Come on. Some ladies will CIM and they don't do it for everyone and don't need it in a review. Unless of course they CIM, advertise it and don't care who knows of course.

If there was any DATO; I'd get asked if she reciprocated or if we went on to Greek?

If a hot provider provides a CBJ the highest grade they allow is a 6.

After 40+ reviews and seeing the others that were approved vs my own; I elected not to play according to TER's rules. It's more important for me to repeat with providers I like than potentially put them in a situation that made them uncomfortable.

I realize this may limit my ability to see providers who covet the TER reviews and acknowledge the date may be a one off if that's how they work with their clients. It's a chance I was willing to take. Any providers I've seen since last year who asked for a TER review understood and from what I gathered agreed with my position.
 

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False premise: existence of reviews in NOT predicated on the assumption that all prostitutes are dishonest.

Second false premise: assumption that all players are equal partners. Some on either side have bad motivations.
I know!

And that's all not they got wrong.

I was shaking my head by the end of the first sentence. They presume to know how all sex workers feel? I guess they forgot to check with me.

I found review boards to be extremely effective and give a large part of the credit for the success of my past career to review boards where I was allowed to advertise and participate.

I also believe it was the right of the client to review me, and I respected that right unless it violated my privacy or jeopardized my safety.
 
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The review site should only be used to describe accuracy of photos, restrictions applied during the session and quality of time spent. The need to write in penthouse style mode I have never understood nor appreciated. Degrading to share details without consent and totally unnecessary.
 

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I would love to have much less graphic reviews all around. Many ladies have a baseline service they offer, and then at their discretion may be more liberal with some suitors when the mood or chemistry strikes. Putting it out there for public viewing is not only distasteful and diluting of what should be a private and intimate experience, but can also create misguided expectations from future visitors based on inaccurate information being submitted.

Something as simple as:
1) Were the photos accurate
2) Was the lady on time and professional
3) Were all the services (not going into specifics acts) which were agreed upon at the time of booking available?
4) Did the lady attempt to upsell or request additional fees beyond what was agreed upon?
5) Was the full time you paid for provided?
6) Was there anything else worth mentioning (ie did she answer calls during the appointment, spend half the time texting etc.)

I've always felt reviews were at best a guideline. Even reviews from gentlemen I know I have seen can be inaccurate. Sometimes they really amp up the services that were provided, possibly to make themselves look special, but usually because they feel exaggerating will bring the lady more business, and they are trying to be helpful. I always prefer that anybody ask me directly what is available rather than rely on something they have read. I can't verify the veracity of anything that comes out of anyone else's mouth ;-)

As for TER - there are so many problems with that site. One being that the men need to pay to read reviews - unless they submit at least 2 themselves. Which means a lot of the reviews are just written so people can get free membership.

Likewise, ladies will often write their own reviews to promote themselves, and often write bad reviews of their 'competition'.

TER also has a very weird rating system. You can't get more than a 7/10 for performance unless you offer DFK, Greek, BBBJ or are really Bi. For each of those additional items you can get up to one more point. Which has always struck me as ridiculous, because there are plenty of people who don't want those services at all, and as long as a lady is upfront with what she offers, then she should be able to get a 10/10 if she provided a mind blowing experience within the parameters of what was agreed to.

Unless something has changed though, TER will completely remove your profile and ALL reviews.....as long as you aren't ripping people off. You can't selectively have them removed, and you can't change your name without having the old reviews being added to your new name. But I am pretty sure that they will take everything down for you
 

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The review site should only be used to describe accuracy of photos, restrictions applied during the session and quality of time spent. The need to write in penthouse style mode I have never understood nor appreciated. Degrading to share details without consent and totally unnecessary.
If a lady gives you a little extra, just once or as a special favour, be discreet and keep it between you and her.

Don't put her in a bad spot where she has every jackass demanding it.

Lots of guys on here whining about not getting something they read about. They insist they are clean, respectful and look like George Clooney, and have more money than Bill Gates. God knows what they are like in reality though...
 
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Lots of guys on here whining about not getting something they read about. They insist they are clean, respectful and look like George Clooney, and have more money than Bill Gates. God knows what they are like in reality though...
Without divulging too much or giving away secrets, let's just say some people have a little bit too much "artistic license" with the whole review process. Self reflection is a key component in success in all aspects of life & it's lacking a bit in some people.

Lady Companion said it best

Something as simple as:
1) Were the photos accurate
2) Was the lady on time and professional
3) Were all the services (not going into specifics acts) which were agreed upon at the time of booking available?
4) Did the lady attempt to upsell or request additional fees beyond what was agreed upon?
5) Was the full time you paid for provided?
6) Was there anything else worth mentioning (ie did she answer calls during the appointment, spend half the time texting etc.)
 

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The R in the name of this place stands for "REVIEW" does it not?
 

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I don't agree with a lot of this mewing and hand-wringing.

This is a review board people. If someone doesn't like, or doesn't want to be reviewed, they are in the wrong business. I know it's personal but they have chosen to be in the business of selling the ultimate personal service.

In the age of the internet, no professional business can avoid being reviewed, by somebody, somewhere. It's a fact of life. If you're going to advertise and charge huge hourly rates, and benefit from the forum, you should expect to be reviewed (positively or negatively) just like any professional.

The argument that reviews somehow expose an SP to greater risk of people "discovering" what she really did while an SP ( if someone finds out) makes no sense to me. The very fact she was an SP does that by itself ( as do the descriptions of sex acts offered on a myriad of SP websites, twitter feeds, Eros ads and Perb teaser ads. The bigger risk is to identity discovery in the first place and I completely agree that a review should be very careful not to reveal potential details that could compromise someone's true identity.

Moreover, we shouldn't try to regulate or prescribe (like TER does) what people write, how many, how little, or how detailed. It's a review board. Let people review. Everyone's different.

There are too many scam artists, fake photos, subpar providers, thiefs, and they give all providers a bad name -and cause OP's to take pause before taking a chance. Perb's been hugely valuable in exposing these, while promoting the great providers who deserve more business....many of whom have built very successful and lucrative businesses on the back of positive reviews.

If you don't like certain types of reviews, don't read them. It's your choice what you read. Nobody is forcing you to read anything. I like all types of reviews, and some of the longer, more detailed ones have convinced me to pursue engagements that I likely wouldn't have otherwise.

Personally, I like to describe the experience. I try not to get too graphic. I've also tended to give ladies the option of whether they want to be reviewed and I've only ever had 2 ladies say they did not want to be (and I respected their wishes - despite them being great providers - and their reasons had nothing to do with being afraid of being reviewed). The vast majority I've spoken to want to be reviewed and the more detailed (but not graphic) the better.

That said, if I had a horrible experience, even if the lady didn't wish me to post a review, I should have the right to post it. That's what this review board is for. That's the main currency.

I don't like the prescriptive nature of the TER reviews and have only done a few of them there (compared to about 20 on Perb). Still, I find it laughable that some people on this thread are critical of TER reviews when they've been the beneficiary of more than 150 of them?

Ultimately, this is a profession, most of us are anonymous, the internet is an open forum, and we should let it be as open and free form as possible. Encourage more reviews rather than try to limit, regulate or prescribe them. That will only reduce feedback, which will ultimately undermine the true value of this forum.

We're all different and experience the world differently. Despite the form of review, I expect there is an audience out there for every type of them (short, long, detailed, LAS, even graphic ones). If that review helps one person make a better decision with how they spend their money, this forum has done its job.

Think back 20 years. If this forum didn't exist, making serious money in this business and building a clientele would be much more difficult. I think SP's would likely be far less independent than they are now, and we'd all be poorer for it.
I agree with most of your points Lance alot. If you are offering a paid service you should expect to be reviewed. Where I disagree is the value of Perb with regards to reviews. It's somewhat valuable but as long as they maintain a Do Not Review list that prevents reviews because you are a paid advertiser, then value is limited.

I also disagree with the idea of asking a SP for approval before posting a review. Like you said it is the main point in an Escort Review Board therefore post your reviews. Is there any other service that you pay for that you would seek approval from prior to posting a review?
 

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I used to be on TER.
I could have an out of this world session that fulfilled all my desires...but cannot give her a 10 because she didn't do bbbj or anal or whatever.
And then there are the fake reviews written for access.
 

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TER membership was $240 USD last time I looked. Also, you get credited with 15 days for each review posted. So essentially two new reviews per month was the expectation for free membership. I failed to see the value of renewing my membership with them for the reasons already stated. Besides, I am seeing SP who have plenty of reviews already so mine would only be a "me too".

Re the DNR's - it is totally possible to have the best time of your life with someone who does not allow reviews. A number of SP's come to mind and they just preferred not to have any details put out there about them. I can state I have never had a bad time with a DNR. Also bear in mind if a SP is DNR and does have a negative review from credible pooner's the review will stand here. At least that was my interpretation when I PM'd a mod over the issue. It works the opposite way on a positive review about a DNR; mods will pull it.
 

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It bugs me when people lump all review boards into one pile.

Yes, there are a few boards out there that should be ashamed of their activity and the image they portray to the world, but that doesn't mean all boards are bad or that they should all change the way they operate, or be taken offline.
 

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If I can't find a review I don't bother calling. I don't see the need to take a risk when there's plenty of girls with good reviews I haven't seen yet
Probably most PERB members, if not readers in general, follow the same policy. An exception might be referrals from those you trust.



IMO highly explicit reviews are dehumanizing. Perb isn't perfect..but it's a much better environment than TER.
Would a highly explicit review of a plumber's services necessarily be dehumanizing? Or of much more value to readers than a vague review?

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the-real-deal-with-sex-worker-review-forums


The R in the name of this place stands for "REVIEW" does it not?
Review followed by Restricted in brackets ;


There are ways of writing reviews respectfully. Even less than glowing reviews can be written in a respectful manner.
Do the moderators allow disrespectful reviews to remain?


TER isn't even a legitamite review board IMO. It's a mysoginists playground. And the amount of fake reviews on that site is beyond ridiculous. And the rating scale is a joke.. an sps value as a provider, or as a woman has nothing to do with the amount of risky activities she wishes to engage in.
According to a hot thread on MERB now, BBBJ is the norm in Montreal. For those who require this service, any SP who doesn't do BBBJs would have less "value as a provider". Her value "as a woman" or a human being is another topic entirely.


I used to be on TER.
I could have an out of this world session that fulfilled all my desires...but cannot give her a 10 because she didn't do bbbj or anal or whatever.
And then there are the fake reviews written for access.
No "fake reviews" on PERB?
 
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According to a hot thread on MERB now, BBBJ is the norm in Montreal. For those who require this service, any SP who doesn't do BBBJs would have less "value as a provider". Her value "as a woman" or a human being is another topic entirely.
Lenny, I've been reading this forum for about 10 years. You've constantly advocated pushing the boundaries of safe sex. I've watched you go toe to toe with some prominent sex workers on this forum with names which are probably still recognizable to many. All of them questioned your motivates and the science of your claims. I'd grep this forum and find them but most of those women retired and moved on so their comments are erased.

Would a highly explicit review of a plumber's services necessarily be dehumanizing? Or of much more value to readers than a vague review?
Comparing the services of a plumber to a sex worker is, at the least, ridiculous. There is no comparison. Installing a toilet, ABS piping or a hot tub doesn't compare to permitting a male to engage in an intimate act while you're at risk & while you're naked.

Might I suggest you consider trying out being a sex worker? I'll volunteer to be your first client. I only have one stipulation; I get to play the Back In Black CD from AC DC during the session. It gets me in the mood brother.
 

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Lenny, I've been reading this forum for about 10 years. You've constantly advocated pushing the boundaries of safe sex. I've watched you go toe to toe with some prominent sex workers on this forum with names which are probably still recognizable to many. All of them questioned your motivates and the science of your claims. I'd grep this forum and find them but most of those women retired and moved on so their comments are erased.
This seems to be veering off topic from the thread subject. Although in my personal life i have at times failed to practice very safe sex, I've continually advocated "safe sex", which involves more than simply using condoms. My views were also never denied by the Health Nurse. Feel free to search the existing records, if you need to refresh your memories.

Comparing the services of a plumber to a sex worker is, at the least, ridiculous. There is no comparison. Installing a toilet, ABS piping or a hot tub doesn't compare to permitting a male to engage in an intimate act while you're at risk & while you're naked.
My questions weren't suggesting that plumbers & sex workers provide similar type of services. You could substitute any type of worker, career or profession that provides services & my point would be the same. If it would make you happier, substitute nude cuddler or nude massagist in place of plumber:

Would a highly explicit review of a plumber's services necessarily be dehumanizing? Or of much more value to readers than a vague review?

"The devil is in the details".


Might I suggest you consider trying out being a sex worker? I'll volunteer to be your first client. I only have one stipulation; I get to play the Back In Black CD from AC DC during the session. It gets me in the mood brother.
Being a nympho of another gender, there was a time when i would have loved to be a sex worker. Albeit not to male clients, although i may have (mostly by accident) been with a few ladyboys. I enjoy AC/DC, though Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap could be my favorite.
 
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Comparing the services of a plumber to a sex worker is, at the least, ridiculous. There is no comparison. Installing a toilet, ABS piping or a hot tub doesn't compare to permitting a male to engage in an intimate act while you're at risk & while you're naked.
and with any other profession, I totally 100% agree with this, I think I was the only person on this forum who said this before, thank you for saying this and repeating it :)
 

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I tend to agree with Lance a lot for the most part, and left quotes for parts that stood out to me the most.

I know it's personal but they have chosen to be in the business of selling the ultimate personal service.

In the age of the internet, no professional business can avoid being reviewed, by somebody, somewhere. It's a fact of life. If you're going to advertise and charge huge hourly rates, and benefit from the forum, you should expect to be reviewed (positively or negatively) just like any professional.

If you don't like certain types of reviews, don't read them. It's your choice what you read. Nobody is forcing you to read anything. I like all types of reviews, and some of the longer, more detailed ones have convinced me to pursue engagements that I likely wouldn't have otherwise.

Ultimately, this is a profession, most of us are anonymous, the internet is an open forum, and we should let it be as open and free form as possible. Encourage more reviews rather than try to limit, regulate or prescribe them. That will only reduce feedback, which will ultimately undermine the true value of this forum.
There are ways of writing reviews respectfully. Even less than glowing reviews can be written in a respectful manner.

TER isn't even a legitamite review board IMO. It's a mysoginists playground. And the amount of fake reviews on that site is beyond ridiculous. And the rating scale is a joke.. an sps value as a provider, or as a woman has nothing to do with the amount of risky activities she wishes to engage in.

Pooners do have a right to write their reviews in how ever way they choose. But keep in mind sps will judge the men by their writing style. Just like us ladies are judged by our board presence. Isnt it better to have a reputation as a respectful gentleman vs a slobbyist??
You've got to kid yourself if you don't think there's a good amount of misogyny on PERB. Just because TER is a cesspool for it, shouldn't make us any better. I think most reviewers (not all) prefer to remain anonymous on the boards to providers if at all possible (personally I do) as a means of 'protecting' themselves.

To add to Lance alot's comments; I think DNR is a bit ridiculous. This industry is unregulated. If you aren't able to provide the same service as indicated in a review, maybe that person will post a negative review. In the long run it will work itself out, especially if the lady in question isn't a newbie. But IMO it's the lady's job to communicate that to customers. Clients should understand (although not always the case) that services provided are given by the lady and not some perbert online who thinks too highly of himself. I do agree that graphic reviews are a nuisance to the SP but I think that's part of the risk and work that carries with being in the biz.
 
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