What's the point of the AMP?

[1901]

Maybe a dumb question, and maybe not in the right section (sorry if that's the case), but I really don't understand the AMP scene. From what I understand, standard room fees are around $80 depending on time, and then you need to negotiate with the provider for services which generally start at $100 for a simple BJ. The stories I've read on these boards seem to indicate sometimes folks pay less or more, but often clothes don't come off, or no touching is allowed.

So why, with all these costs and restrictions, do people still go? Why not find a nice independent for better services at lower cost?

And I don't mean to sound like a troll, I just want to know if I'm totally missing something, or if I have my stories wrong about costs/service or anything else.

 

[Tarzen]

it depends on the amp that you go. there are some that only does r&t meaning no FS. there are ones that does fs. the room fee is 40 or 50 for 45mins. it really depends on the place.
they can say whatever they want... they want 120 to 140 or 150 for a 45min fs. i tell them i always pay the usual rate 100 everytime and they take it otherwise give them 40 and don't get that girl anymore. not worth wasting your money 100 on that kind of girl... from experience. unless you know the girl.. don't go for 1hr.. they use that excuse to charge you more for fs. total balony...

 

[masterP]

I used to go to AMP's before I discovered micro shops. all AMP's are different so you should find out what you're getting before you start dishing out the cash. some make you pay before you can see any girls...... Hawaian Spa was famous for that

I used to go to Q Point weekly to see my favorite girl.....I would pay the mamasan for the room.....and when I had money I would pay the girl more, when I was low on cash I gave her less. she never asked me for any specific amount. she always said just give her whatever I want, it doesn't matter. she was the best ever

I was sad when she went back to China. pretty much the only Chinese massage girl I ever liked

overall, I don't like AMP's......you shower alone, usually there is no GFE, too many restrictions, they try to add everything to the cost if you don't work it out ahead of time, the massage table is uncomfortable, and most are run by some rude, pushy, money hungry ex prostitute Dragon Lady trying to get your money

also there is no going over your time limit, they will come knock on your door when your time is up otherwise you'll be paying more money for going over. some have an intercom in each room and they'll tell you your time is up.

I don't like the AMP experience......I'll only go to one if there's no good poon at any of the shops

more than a few times I walked into an AMP not expecting much......and there will be a real gem. a student doing this part time to make a bit of money. an incredible beauty that isn't jaded yet

it's a good back up plan when you can't find anything better, but mostly I stay away from them

 

[summerbreeze]

without knowing about perb or craigslist, or erslist etc who would trust a micro who just ran an add in the local newspapers

generally people start off with something a bit more tangible such as an AMP

it has a storefront, you can check what you are getting into before you try, most places you can see the girls

many people just start off with a legitimate massage and migrate to extras

as they get more experienced and sophisticated, they discover things like perb, other sources of folks in the business and migrate away from AMPs, maybe see a select few which are reliable

they serve their purpose, service as predictable as any other venue

lucky for this board and exchange of info you begin to find what suits you and what does not

had plenty of outstanding events at various AMPs in town, many of the independents started at AMPs before striking off on their own

you should probably try them before you bash them (like the rest of us)

 

[1901]

Thanks for the comments so far. Summerbreeze: I have tried them, one at least (Miya). That's why I asked. I just honestly don't know what the point of them are. I paid about 160 for a 45min massage and then CBJ a couple years back. Since then I've researched these boards and while some people pay less, I don't think I got ripped off (if I did, someone please let me know!).

I never went back though, and instead found out about the Willingdon girls and then a few non-FS independents when I wasn't in the mood for FS. And when I am in the mood, 160-200 for 45mins usually nets you a great girl (like the 1045 agency) or a few quality korean places around town.

Anyways, like I said I wasn't trying to bash. I just was honestly confused about why they are so prolific. I was afraid I was missing out or getting hosed because I didn't know better.

I totally take the point about getting to see the girls before hand, although a lot of folks simply get ushered into a room and if you're new to the hobby you probably won't have the willpower or common sense to say no to what they offer you. For example, my experience at Miya was like that, asked to see the lineup and instead just got ushered into a room. I thought the 'parade' would happen in the room, but I never got a choice. I was young and inexperienced, so I went with it.

Cheers everyone!

 

[summerbreeze]

no question the micro's have lower overhead and can charge less for equal or better service

takes getting to know the landscape a bit before that knowledge kicks in though

think all of us or most get their start with the Amps and still have a few favorites which still get good repeat customers

the girls who have boyfriends or husbands tend to work the AMPs or salons which appear legit, I think they probably convince their significant others that they have a legit full time job (doubt they are fooling anyone) the other case is if they are raising children and want them to think they are in the beauty salon industry which they are of course, just a few added services which are the main ones which pay the bills,

in other words, some women stick to the AMPs because it is less confusing than lying to their families of what they do when they go to work

lots of gems in this world as well but reviews of the semi legit AMPs/salons is forbidden so you don't always get full visibility of the good ones unless you pm one of the members

hope this helps

 

[Sucre]

I will take on face value that no drama intended – just questions

I have never been to an $80 per hour room fee amp – the standard rate is closer to $50 for a full hour. Some charge as an hourly rate , $40, others $50 and still others $60 – a few try to go add GST (as a spa in yaletown did – they now advertise that if you pay cash no tax and have $55 per hour specials as long as you saw ad on CL. Others have tried $65 but they get no repeats, or more likely I don’t bother staying) – there are a couple of tourist places charging more – don’t go to them as not only will the hourly price be too much, the girls consequently demand higher than usual tips and give lower than usual service)
when I first went to Maya their posted rate was $60/hr – but the head girl there charged me $50 (and instructed others to charge me the same in future) as I had been to many other places including Samskara (their immediate competition at the time) which charged $50 and they knew they would not get repeat business at $60 per hour

As to tips and extras I set out on a quest about 4 years ago (went to more than 2 dozen places) to find the standard and proper tip rate for HJ (no research on Fs or CBJ as that’s not my thing) - I probably posted about it at time.

The result was For the longest time the standard rate for a Hj at an Amp was $40 (even with an hour massage) or $60 if clothes came off – (the best then was Modern Goddess then on Kingsway-now its i spa) who charged $50 pe r hour but often had 45 minute specials with Hj for $80. They for a time had a young 20 y/o (Yuki) who every time I came took off all clothes and allowed touching everywhere and was sensuous for the hour and hJ consumed 30 minutes of the hour and still never wanted more than $40. She is long gone. As is the spa – problem they had was that most young girls wanted to do FS to earn more and as it did not allow FS, the young girls would not stay long.

Problem re tip fees started when many of the places let their girls charge whatever – its not in the AMP interest to do so as the AMP gets the room fee only (the girls get the tips) and if you don’t repeat when their girls are uncompetitive –but so be it. Thus girls t newbies would charge the sky is the limit. I had girls in Surrey saying their standard minimum tip was $100; Tokyo lost my business when the girl said their lowest rate for a hj was $80 – result I say no thanks I don’t want a hj just a massage . ( I paid $20 tip – as she claimed they share none of the room fee) The worst was New sky – she wanted $80 then came down to $60 tip but no further and had a bad attitude to boot; so I declined HJ, said massage oily – she got really mad – and went out of room for 10 minutes to complain to boss – told me they take turns and she makes 100% of her money from tips had lost her turn since I refused her offer and wanted to go back to top of list and basically leave me -

I think standard is now closer to $50 and $70 with clothes off. But there are still many girls that charge $40 if you don’t touch them. For full nudity and touch maybe $80 is fair if girl teases from start and is hot - but remember if room fee is $60 and you pay $80 on top that is $140 and you can get FS for that from decent girls so it better be as good as fs.


A comment about taking the 45 minutes massage is correct; many girls say they want more for extra if you have an hour massage – even though most usually start the Hj with 15 minutes left in session no matter how long your session is. – I always take an hour – and a lot of girls say yes $40 or $50 is fine if I had been 45 minutes , but want extra for the hour. Another comment if you agree on tip first (and especially if you pay first) – there is no incentive for the girls and service is normally substandard. Find a girl at an amp or micro that is fun and worth repeating and if she exceeded your expectations give an extra tip as it will pay dividends when you repeat.

You mentioned the girls of Kingsway and willingdon – yes they had young girls who all removed tops and charged all in price of $100 per hour ($80 per 45 minutes with nudity - was too cheap for the girls so it was only fair to spend the hour and let them earn more – for your info VIP spa on Kingsway is where the madam went and she now charges $100 for 50 minutes and still has younger than average girls – not all perfect as some of her girls now want extra $20 to remove tops – while it was standard before - or go to the famous intelligent spa – in Richmond – I have no clue what room fee is as unlike most that charge first – they always user me in for my hour massage and I pay girl the room fee and tip at the end – I have no clue what the tip rate is either as they always said its up to me – I used to pay same rate girls as was standard at Kingsway and willingdon and never had a complaint – but since I upped my tip rate to $70 (on a full hour massage with an assumed room rate of $50) the service has exceeded anything I ever received at kingsway. So if the girl is sweet and you want to repeat there is something to be said for higher tips

 

[summerbreeze]

valuable contribution Sucre

probably high range of rates and services for those new to these thing, after you get some experience you will find that you can insist on the standard rates and the girls will back down and accept, some are ok with that, some get mad and give bad service

the smart ones figure out that repeats is where they make their money

one fun thing about exploring the salons is that it is like a treasure hunt and sometimes you strike gold, great girl, great service, decent price

suspense and the hunter instinct kick in, part of the adventure......

not just about the sex

 

[SFMIKE]

I was a bit surprised when I found this discussion, but then I noticed Summerbreeze and Sucre posting so I knew the topic was right up my alley.

Yesterday, I hastily posted a report called "Where was I? Lily...." Being in quite a rush I make the rookie mistake of putting it into the 411 section instead of the Massage Review section. But it seems that it is the same Mama as the Kingswang and Willingdong place, just relocated to Kingwasy, closer to downtown. I had read about the former place and always wanted to try it, but did not bother.

But, if you read what I wrote, I was lucky enough to have found the new location. If the other girls working there are anything like Lily, it is a must stop for the R&T fanclub. And the price should be just about right for the service.

 

[summerbreeze]

1901, just as I was saying it can be a treasure hunt and the all time champion treasure hunter has chimed in here, SFMike has a special knack at finding these gems and sharing with us what he can

if you follow his forum posts and take his lead on who to try I think you will be pleasantly surprised in terms of AMP and salon offerings

best to do some of your own homework looking at his posts over the past few years before bothering him with private messages

 

[SFMIKE]

Ah, shucks, golly-gee. Rarely am I at a loss for words, but if 1901 were to follow Summerbreezes's and Sucre's postings, he would do quite well for himself.

Myself, since I do not live in the area (I wish), I am an occasional poster but I share what I can to give back to the many who have given me great tips in the past.

 

[summerbreeze]

1901, so you know, there are girls in AMPs out there that we are perfectly happy to pay the higher price for and tolerate a massage table format

SFMike has posted on several and 3 girls from BEX (old days) were off the charts in terms of service, would charge $50 room fee and $160 for girl

the more you shop around, the more interesting things you will find, also the better idea you will have in terms of what you prefer

the fact that it is costing you money just sharpens your shopping skills (something to lose, and something to gain)

 

[summerbreeze]

a bargaining point for you,

your option in these AMPs is to just go with a massage, no extras

the girls hate this because they do not get paid unless there is an upsell, no money for their time, no money for the massage

so they are doing this massage for free if you don't give the courtesy tip for the massage

when they come at you with a really high price for a service, just tell them you will think about it and for them to keep massaging you

once they realize that they might not make anything (play dumb like you don't know how these things work) they usually come back with a lower price for this time only

tell them you will think about it until the price is in line with the normal rates out there

if the girl has not had any paying customers that day she is faced with the prospect of going home with nothing and they also don't like the rejection side of it as well (don't abuse this bargaining tactic, pay them the massage tip if you don't like the service offering, they have to eat as well)

I find they always come down to reasonable price for service without having to argue with them, done correctly they are happy you reconsidered and negotiated rates make everyone happy

customer is always right, you are just using your leverage of the threat of leaving without any payment to them has them reconsider gouging you

hope this helps, may not work for everyone but works for me

I always look after them with decent tip, but they don't know that while we are in negotiations so to speak "I'll think about it"

 

[SFMIKE]

Wow, Summerbreeze, a great review of history in our world. I have not thought about BEX in many years, but you speak the truth about probably the only place ever in Vancouver that came close to measuring up to Shoreline. The 3 you mention were such a treat and because of their skills and friendliness, they raised the bar for all of us lucky beneficiaries because of the intense competition among themselves.

Among those 3, I was lucky enough to get one of these when she was very new, to do a sleepover with me. Little did I know that it would ber her first ever outcall. But when she arrived she asked if she could make a call. She must have spoken to the lady (probably her coach) on the other end for 1/2 hour, then the lady on the other end asked to speak with me. She explained that this was her first time out of the AMP and be gentle with her. I knew she was interviewing me to see if i would be alright with her "friend". Apparently, when she asked me to give the phone back to the girl in question, the girl got a smile on her face almost immediately. Apparently I passed the test.

After ending the call, she asked to be excused and got the little bag she had brought with her and went to the washroom. In about 5 minites she emerged wearing a beautiful matching pair of bra and panties which she had purchased for this occation. She looked so good in the outfit, I ALMOST hated to remove any of it, but lust got the best of me. But her tiny investment paid off bigtime for her, as over the next 2 years she attended at least 5 more sleepovers with me. Unfortunately, she has left the business but I can still remember her number.

About the only thing Summerbreeze left out of his history lesson was the relevance of the Sing Tao Daily in the early 2000's as a means of introducing many of us to the wonders of the micro world.

Even members like myself who could not read the language were able to take advantage of the 40 or so ads each day, since the phone numbers were usally readable us us. I can still remember at least 6 of these places that accepted English speakers, and the service levels at each of these places were almost off the charts compared to the most AMP's at that time. BEX was the exception.

 

[summerbreeze]

I forgot about the Sing Tao Daily, reading the Chinese adds, guessing what might be good. Dialing the number and trying to understand the instructions of where to go and what kind of massage they did.

Always an adventure before the days of Craigslist and Google translator

MunMun and her dragon girl....

I forgot that before craigslist the only way to the micros was Sing Tao. You guys have not idea how good you have it these days regarding access. takes a bit of fun out of the discovery process however not reading advertisments for road rage cures though....... ;-)

 

[1901]

I second the sentiment that this ended up being a great thread. Like I said earlier, my original question was an honest one, and I'm glad I asked it. Not sure it'll convert me back to trying the AMP scene, but will definitely lead to a lot more research on my part. Thanks everyone!

 

[harrybolls]

I had my days with the AMP scene. Some feel like its a negotiation on what they charge for 'tip' and if the chick doesn't like it she gets pissy and service declines. I have had good and bad times at AMP so it's always a gamble unless you repeat with the same chick but that's no fun when there's so much variety out there.

 

[P_e_r_b]

Me? For a good massage, I go to the real deal (Registered). There are some good massages to be had at some AMP's but the constant attempts to up-sell to extras can be a buzz-kill.

For extra service, it's hard to beat a good independent. Your mileage is so much better for the same price. Still looking for an Ally replacement. The connection with her was more GFE than a GF. Me thinks some lucky guy has kept her to himself. :eyebrows:

 

[Silver Surfer]

Everyone is different, I guess. I have almost always had good luck in the AMPs and tend to go there more often than not as I think that, overall, there is less chance of getting ripped off than somewhere unlicensed. Also, I feel that the girls are there because they want to be - not because they are coerced by the "Brobros" (can you say "Pimp"?)
I have only been to a few micros but the ones that I went to in Burnaby and Vancouver (years ago now) had girls that didn't seem to enjoy what they were doing and jumped if a male voice was heard outside the door. Gave me the creeps and I never went back.
I will still see escorts in their homes but not if they have a "handler".
(For my bonafides, I am 60 and have been pooning since I was 20. Anyone remember the alt.sex.prostitution days with the Hipster Doofus and the Analyst?)
My $.02
SS

 

[BORKO]

Everyone is different, I guess. I have almost always had good luck in the AMPs and tend to go there more often than not as I think that, overall, there is less chance of getting ripped off than somewhere unlicensed. Also, I feel that the girls are there because they want to be - not because they are coerced by the "Brobros" (can you say "Pimp"?)
I have only been to a few micros but the ones that I went to in Burnaby and Vancouver (years ago now) had girls that didn't seem to enjoy what they were doing and jumped if a male voice was heard outside the door. Gave me the creeps and I never went back.
I will still see escorts in their homes but not if they have a "handler".
(For my bonafides, I am 60 and have been pooning since I was 20. Anyone remember the alt.sex.prostitution days with the Hipster Doofus and the Analyst?)
My $.02
SS

Do you think Galactus digs AMPs too?