What The Bleep ~~!

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I just had to to share this movie, because it inspired me to! A fellow perb member had recommened it to me. :) I love movies , books , converstaion that leads to "THE "QUESTION"...... or even trys to break it down.. it gets me wet & excited..

The movie is called - What the bleep


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That movie is a personal favourite of mine as well. I like that they were able to take such a slippery topic and present it in a metaphorical and clear manner. Some friends that I shared that with simply got a headache thinking about the concepts presented within the movie. Others got inspired as their consciousness expanded to embrace these discoveries.

Try finding the movie 'Down the Rabbit Hole' which is basically 'What the Bleep' but the concepts are explored in far greater depth. I was able to purchase a copy from their web site.

Now, as for quantum physics getting a woman wet and excited... that is the first time I have ever heard that!

Cheers SunShine :)
 

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I second Sunshine and Nyx,

"What the 'Bleep' Do we Know", (does Bleep stand for F*ck?, I think so, lol !) is a must see for those who like Quantum Physics and want to explore many age old questions like 'who are we', 'are we our thoughts or emotions', 'what is "mind"', etc. It's actually a movie within a documentary starring Marlee Matlin, who I heard was a former Ms. America and who is also deaf and dumb and uses sign language, (as well verbal) in the movie. It has some very heavy concepts in it that are hard to grasp for those who have not been exposed to science or religion. I have watched it 8 to 10 times and I still learn something new every time. The water crystal thing by Dr. Emoto http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/ is facinating and just shows how our thoughts and emotions can affect EVERY thing around us. I have the second one, Down the Rabbit Hole, available at some local retailers, but I haven't watched that one yet. For those who are not interested in cutting edge science and philosophical questions about life, it's not for you. It will bore you and give you a bad impression of the wonderful subject of Quantum Physics. I found it a very good basis for the movie, "The Secret" which uses the principles in "What the Bleep" to consciously create our reality. A must see for the intellectual type.
 
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I've never seen the film my self but I've heard about it.

The most remarkable thing about the film is how it was edited. The experts were edited in such a way that they appear to agree with the ideas of the film.

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/09/16/bleep/index1.html?pn=1

Most people agree it's a slick infomercial for a cult. Until I see it I'll keep an open mind.

I believe in something beyond our current understanding of the universe, and encourage everyone to keep learning and loving!
 

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Tisk, Commander Chode...

Commander Chode said:
I've never seen the film my self but I've heard about it.
The most remarkable thing about the film is how it was edited. The experts were edited in such a way that they appear to agree with the ideas of the film.

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/09/16/bleep/index1.html?pn=1

Most people agree it's a slick infomercial for a cult. Until I see it I'll keep an open mind.

I believe in something beyond our current understanding of the universe, and encourage everyone to keep learning and loving!
The most remarkable thing about the above post is that the author has not even watched the movie but has quite an opinion on it.:confused: ??? based on "what he has heard about it". Propaganda def: a means of propagating a doctrine, information, (esp. misleading) information etc. Oxford English Dictionary.

Salon Media Group is just another on-line propaganda rag that is funded by the film company who made "The Departed" movie, et el. They promote main stream movies, not indy one's like "What the Bleep" and "Super Size Me", who were apparently both from the same company. Are the big boys pissed that a little indy producer is making such a stir? Not to mention taking money away from them. Of course they are going to slam it. But, I would definately watch it first before posting negative things about it. That shows your ignorance and naivety. And that just breeds a frenzy of negativity in an already negative world, thanks to so much propaganda going around already. Do you think we have been told the truth about 'life' in the past few thousand years? No, it is coming out that we have been the patsy's of the rich and powerful. So, please, don't add more power to them and their propaganda we have been forced to swallow over the course of modern history.:) Just a caution.

Also, you may see what the scientists, say for themselves at http://www.whatthebleep.com/scientists/ where they link many of their own websites to.
 
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First, before entering into debates, please read up on netiquette. If you were to cut out the parts of my post you didn't care about and only quoted the parts you did, you would not have to bold them.
Tisk, Commander Chode...
I see you have decided to scold me, as if you were coming from a position of authority. Maybe you believe you have the high ground and can be condescending. It is not a good position to start a debate in. Your need to express your belief of superiority shows you don't have confidence in your argument.
The most remarkable thing about the above post is that the author has not even watched the movie but has quite an opinion on it.:confused: ??? based on "what he has heard about it".
Yes. I expressed an opinion on the movie without seeing it. Please reread my post. I attacked the movie's honesty, not the content. I can do that because at least one of the people who was in the movie have stated that they were edited to agree with the conclusions of the movie, when in reality their interview did not say that.

Editing an interview in that fashion is dishonest.

I believe that those who are dishonest, even in small matters, will be dishonest in large matters.

I suggest reading and understanding someone's post before attempting to flame them.

Propaganda def: a means of propagating a doctrine, information, (esp. misleading) information etc. Oxford English Dictionary.
I find it interesting that you need to go to an external source to prop up your argument. Do you not believe you can debate this on your own?
Salon Media Group is just another on-line propaganda rag...
(rant about big media cut for space)

Just because it's posted on a large media site does not mean the facts are incorrect. The fact that "What the beep" dishonestly edited their movie remains.
But, I would definately watch it first before posting negative things about it.
If I were arguing the content I would agree.

I'm not. I'm arguing they have misrepresented at least one of their experts. This dishonesty makes me doubt the honesty of their intentions.
That shows your ignorance and naivety.
An insult combined with another attempt to achieve superiority. Is your argument so weak that you require such low brow tactics?
And that just breeds a frenzy of negativity in an already negative world, thanks to so much propaganda going around already. Do you think we have been told the truth about 'life' in the past few thousand years?
Actually I think I posted I was open to other ideas and beliefs. I don't blindly take anyone's truth, on any topic. I use my mind. And one question I ask my self is "Is the person telling me this trustworthy? Are they honest?" I have proof that the makers of "What the Bleep?" are neither.
Also, you may see what the scientists, say for themselves at http://www.whatthebleep.com/scientists/ where they link many of their own websites to.
Just because someone is a scientist does not make their speculation is any more valid then any one else's. You don't want to believe current main stream ideas, but you fall in behind a group of scientists? What's the difference?
 

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i have the movie at home but haven't seen it yet. i agree with commander chode though. it's edited and spun in a way to get you to believe what they want you to. and maybe what you want to believe yourself? i see the movie as more of an experiment in psychology myself. i have taken quantum mechanics in school and i'm sure what they are trying to pass off as science in the movie falls quite short as well. the people who told me about the movie i don't think would excel in lesser sciences. yet they were trying to be "deep" and talking about quantum physics. right. they gave me the impression that the movie was a documentary - however it appears to have a story and everything, how much of a documentary is that? the water thing i found particularly ridiculous. which it obviously is - if it was true and repeatable it would have made major news - it hasn't - because it's major bs. there are plenty of kook scientists out there.
 

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pre-opinions about unwatched movies???

hotfun22 said:
i have the movie at home but haven't seen it yet. i agree with commander chode though. it's edited and spun in a way to get you to believe what they want you to. and maybe what you want to believe yourself? i see the movie as more of an experiment in psychology myself. i have taken quantum mechanics in school and i'm sure what they are trying to pass off as science in the movie falls quite short as well. the people who told me about the movie i don't think would excel in lesser sciences. yet they were trying to be "deep" and talking about quantum physics. right. they gave me the impression that the movie was a documentary - however it appears to have a story and everything, how much of a documentary is that? the water thing i found particularly ridiculous. which it obviously is - if it was true and repeatable it would have made major news - it hasn't - because it's major bs. there are plenty of kook scientists out there.
Hotfun22, I stand by my previous post, if you haven't seen it yet, why are you giving your opinions on it on hearsay? Let people decide for themselves without planting negativity in their minds. Negativity breeds negativity !
 

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Ms. Sexy Sexy said:
Hotfun22, I stand by my previous post, if you haven't seen it yet, why are you giving your opinions on it on hearsay? Let people decide for themselves without planting negativity in their minds. Negativity breeds negativity !

Interesting,I haven't see it yet either so I have no opinion. HOWEVER there are two ways to watch a movie one for 'entertainment' or for 'thought provoking' either of which, it matters not now whether it was edited or not. The director is attempting to 'say something' it is up to us to determine whether we agree with it or not.

In general I find it incredable that today we cannot have a discussion with anyone and still respect our differances...LOLand I will be the first to admit that I amjust as bad as the next guy...but I wish I wasn't. How freeing it must be to be able to actually listen to a different view point and not get stressed out over it...:)
 

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sexy, i don't need to see it to be able to shake it's credibility. i'm approaching it the way you should - with a doubting and scientific mind. you are approaching it with far too open a mind and are far too ready to integrate the ideas and accept the science fiction they promote as science fact. it's not negativity i'm approaching it with, it's reality.
 

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hotfun22 said:
sexy, i don't need to see it to be able to shake it's credibility. i'm approaching it the way you should - with a doubting and scientific mind. you are approaching it with far too open a mind and are far too ready to integrate the ideas and accept the science fiction they promote as science fact. it's not negativity i'm approaching it with, it's reality.
Well, HotFun22, I think you have hit the nail on the head !! You are right, I am not approaching this the way you are. I'm approaching it from a women's mind and point of view and that is the crux of the whole matter, isn't it. We women think differently from men, (at least the one's who are not what I call "men-women" and there are lot of them around), and those of us who are in touch with, and are true to, our feminine side and feminine natures, which are more intuitive, spontaneous, feeling and instinctual than the reasoning, logical, fact oriented male mind, see, hear, and think differently. So I suggest the we can't engage in a real discussion here because we approach things differently.
 

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I'm not so sure about that. As we have been living in a male dominant world for the past 4 thousand years, facts and science have been slanted by male dominant opinions. So the question is, what are the facts, and what is the science?

Now, let me clarify what I mean by male dominant. In Yin/Yang we have a balance of the male/female aspects. When one is more dominant, be it either male or female, then that is said to be the predominant aspect. Then we get an imbalance of the perfect balance of nature. We have lived in this predominantly male aspect for a long, long, time. We are heading for a change as the female aspect reemerges. Just so you know I am not male bashing. I LOVE males. I need the males.
 
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Thanks, Nube

nube said: Interesting,I haven't see it yet either so I have no opinion. HOWEVER there are two ways to watch a movie one for 'entertainment' or for 'thought provoking' either of which, it matters not now whether it was edited or not. The director is attempting to 'say something' it is up to us to determine whether we agree with it or not.

By the way, I really appreciate Nube's very balanced comments. Thanks for saying it in such an unbiased way. I know my enlargement of the size of print was a little much, but I get 'feminine' when I hear someone trying to discuss something he hasn't watched, and then throwing someone elses (Salon Media's) vomit all over it. I read Salons editorial on it and it was very strongly written.

What the Bleep is a mind expanding and very important documentary for the world to see, in my opinion, and as the principles in it show, we are what we think, or "as a man thinketh, so is he". If we think negative, we will see only the negative and I saw his comments as prematurely tarnishing something which could enlighten those who are living in the 'dark'. Don't get me wrong, I make no apologies for getting excited, I was making a point. I know how manipulative the media is through personal experience and I know we cannot rely on them to give us accurate information most of the time, especially on very important issues.

Trivia question: Who owns most of the newspapers and Media outlets in Canada?
 

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Ms. Sexy Sexy said:
I'm not so sure about that. As we have been living in a male dominant world for the past 4 thousand years, facts and science have been slanted by male dominant opinions. So the question is, what are the facts, and what is the science?

Now, let me clarify what I mean by male dominant. In Yin/Yang we have a balance of the male/female aspects. When one is more dominant, be it either male or female, then that is said to be the predominant aspect. Then we get an imbalance of the perfect balance of nature. We have lived in this predominantly male aspect for a long, long, time. We are heading for a change as the female aspect reemerges. Just so you know I am not male bashing. I LOVE males. I need the males.
sexy, i cannot argue with you if you throw out things like 2 plus 2 only equals 4 because of it being a male dominated world. come on now let's be realistic. we all know what a fact is and we all should know what science is. and neither have anything to do with us having tits or a cock.
 

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sexy - a true documentary would present facts and let the viewer draw their own opinions. bleep contains a fictional story and what has already been stated to be heavily edited interview material. and the interviews are with people of questionable backgrounds themselves. that guy that does the water crystal thing has been offered a million dollars to repeat his studies in a real controlled experiment - as nothing he has created so far is accepted by the scientific community. not surprisingly, this has yet to happen. of course he is still writing books for people to eagerly lap up because they want to believe however...

i have heard the same dr j, quantum mechanics is too difficult for the everyday viewer to understand - people have enough of a problem with regular physics. and when you simplify and lose the details of quantum mechanics, you end up with... regular classical mechanics.
 

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hotfun22 said:
sexy - a true documentary would present facts and let the viewer draw their own opinions. bleep contains a fictional story and what has already been stated to be heavily edited interview material. and the interviews are with people of questionable backgrounds themselves. that guy that does the water crystal thing has been offered a million dollars to repeat his studies in a real controlled experiment - as nothing he has created so far is accepted by the scientific community. not surprisingly, this has yet to happen. of course he is still writing books for people to eagerly lap up because they want to believe however...

i have heard the same dr j, quantum mechanics is too difficult for the everyday viewer to understand - people have enough of a problem with regular physics. and when you simplify and lose the details of quantum mechanics, you end up with... regular classical mechanics.
I tried to avoid saying anything more on this post, but...

This documentary was made, in my opionion, for the majority of people, because they have not studied physics. It presents some new findings by some scientists who are attempting to show that science has come full circle and can now, not prove, but show some evidence that there is merit to the unprovable science of spirituality or "Gawd" as that article quote's JZ Knight as sayig. They are showing that there is something out there that we can't see, but that we can see it's effects by watching what it affects. Science thought protons, electrons, and neutrons were the smallest structure and were solid pieces of matter, but looking closer with better equipment, they are now seeing that they are actually not solid like they thought. They are just full of more emptiness, and they are seeing that they are actually smaller matter that is formed into strings that move on command of our thoughts.

This film is not just about Quantum Physics/Mechanics, it's also about how emotions effect our thinking and the science behind it, explained very well by Dr. Candice Pert, an internationally recognized expert in her field. See the link on the scientists above. The movie within the documentary it is a way of illustrating the point (something like a modern day parable, a story written to show the idea) and that at an atomic level we can, by our conscious thinking actually change our destructive patterns.

Some of you boys that haven't seen it should go and watch it first, then talk about it. Then we can have some constructive dialogue about it as it brings up facinating ideas, hense this "discussion" forum.

And to those who have taken Quantum Mechanics, maybe what you learned in school may have been older science, (oooohhhh, I'm going to get it for saying that !). What have you been taught about String Theory? I'm not a science expert, and don't portray myself to be one, or have I ever taken it beyond high school, however, I have read about String Theory from other sources, but I think there is some merit to what they are presenting here. One has to have an open mind lest we become stuck in the 'flat earth theory' mindset ! Emphasis on 'set'. As in set in our ways. Science is ever changing and a closed mind is harmful to the spirit, of which we are one with. There is a saying out there, "we are spirit having a human experience". We are not our bodies, they are simply the vehicles in which our spirit moves, of course, all of which is IMHO !
 
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The best way to describe Q physics to lay people is " one thing can be in two places at the same time '' A lot of sub atomic physics results are thought to be unique to the observer. People in italy doing the same tests as people in US see different things at the sub atomic level. Tho both experiments are valid, such is the nature of the beast. A good book I enjoyed and found very thought provoking in this bent is " The holographic universe " forget who wrote it now but a search will find it.
 
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