What Shmucks We Are

[Venn]

There was a lot of anger in the province of BC a couple of weeks back when our MLA's tried to vote themselves a 15 - 30% wage increase. Well I was just perusing some of the various escort sites online, and I"m stunned with the average rate SP's are charging for a one hour date now in the Vancouver market. Our MLA's should take take a lesson from the Lower Mainland's escorts, who seem to have given themselves a 100 to 200% increase over rates even 2 years ago.

The low standard now seems to be $250/hr. Many are charging $300 if it includes anything resembling GFE. I saw one SP who was up to $400. And the one that made my jaw drop was the 50 year old SP who was charging $200/hr!!! *LOL* Wow, I didn't know experience counted for so much.

Ok, I've been around PERB for a while now, and I know this topic cycles around every now and then. But guys, grab a brain!! The prices are high because we are STUPID enough to pay them. Excuse the caps, but you have to be brain dead to fork out $400 for a one hour bonk.

I think we need to use a little restraint here and consider. A girl who 3 years ago charged $150 per hour, is now 3 year older (which in this business does not always mean better) and is now charging $300 per hour? Why are we paying that? Well, I was kind to use first person plural there, because I have never forked out more then $200 for a one hour date, and don't intend to.

Girls, if you are reading this, its not refection on you. I've really got nothing bad to say about you, I'm sure you're all as sweet and wonderful as almost all the SP's I've had the pleasure to spend time with. I also don't blame you for charging what you think the market will bare, its just smart business. But forgive me if I try to talk some sense into my fellow pooners.

Guys, there have never been so many girls available in this market. The Buy & Sell, Georgia Straight, Westender, etc are all chock full of ads. On top of that, there are new websites springing up constantly featuring girls of ever age, ethnicity and body shape. SW's are no long er confined to a couple of tracks downtown, but now can be found from Downtown Van all the way out to beautiful sunny Surrey. There is an overabundance of women willing to exchange sexual favors for cash. If anything, this should create more competition for the pooners dollar and should, theoretically, be driving the prices down, not skyrocket them up through the roof.

Its up to us. We stop paying the rediculous one hour rates and believe me, they will come down ... and come down fast.

Hope I at least made some of you think.

 

[Verb]

AS STONE COLD SAYzzzz



Give Me A HeLL Yeah....


And Thats the Bottom Line! <----Cause the Stone Cold Verb Said So.....

 

[the_chairman]

Well put Venn. Hopefully your ripple will cause a tidal wave.

 

[Verb]

I say we put a bunch of volutneered perberts to a weekly draw and whom ever is drawn must start a poll of his own on to do a TOFTT on the women he has listed which one will be voted by the perberts.

 

[American Male]

Could not agree more, Venn. The most I have ever paid is $250 and that is the most I will ever pay. My regular girl still charges me $140/hr for the best service I have had in town. I return to her over and over again when I get tired of trying to find "the next best thing."

There is one more avenue for finding bargain priced SPs - LiveLinks and the other telephone chat services. You can still find a women who will take a brown for an hour of FS on LL. And some of them are ladies who are on LL and advertising for services on a pretty regular basis. LL and the other chat lines are becoming a reasonable alternative for both pooners and SPs.

However, caveat emptor, my friends. Let the Buyer Beware!

 

[Yuppie]

Well written rant and very true. The most I ever paid for 240 and it was a one time thing. The demand drives the market after all, you are right, we are schmucks in that we are driving up the prices ourselves. The huge cost is the factor too my activities are dramatically less.

 

[Venn]

Well, I'm pleasantly surprised ... even shocked. When I wrote this I expected that I would be flamed unmercifully. I'm glad to see that there are others who view this situation the same way.

I do have one correction to make. I stated that I'd never payed over $200 for a one hour date. Well, I got a PM from a lovely SP who also I consider a friend from all the times we've chatted together, and she reminded me that the last time I'd seen her, which was almost 2 years ago, I'd paid $225. As I told her, I suppose the hour was such an awesome experience, that what I paid had become quickly forgotten. But I've not paid that much since, or even close.

American Male, like you I am now a regular with a couple of girls. Both charge well under $200, are as lovely as any SP I've spent time with, and offer an amazing GFE at no extra charge. On top of that, neither are clock watchers, tho mostly if I stay too long we're just conversing about music and movies and so forth. And no, don't ask, cuz I am not giving their names out on Perb. For one, they both asked me not too, and secondly, I dont' want to see them double their prices after they become "stars."

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

This topic has come up too often.

Pooners of the Lower Mainland unite!!! Start asking questions gentlemen.

I'm almost positive most SPs have grandfathered your rates should you be a regular client of theirs and the SP has raised their rates. And even better for you, the pooner, to contact your favourite provider and ask if that old rate still applies. More than likely they would've kept you at your old rate.

 

[Ilovethemall]

back in the day....

Yep, used to be $ was a good price and $$ was almost unthinkable. Gents we have nobody to blame but ourselves. A well written and timely post - it's time to jerk off more, find bargains and let the prices come down!

....or heaven forbid, do the old lady once in a while!

 

[the_chairman]

....or heaven forbid, do the old lady once in a while!

Holy Shit.... LOL LOL

 

[nmjoff]

My Rule

I love women I love spending time occaisionally with a SP it exciting wonderful and almsot drug like...
But I work hard for my money... And I know most SP's do too, I am more than glad to spend $100-125 for an enjoyable mutually respectful roll in the hay.
But there is no way I am going to fork out more han that until I start making more than $100 per hour for my hard work.

All respect to you ladies...

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Again,

Ladies who charge a high premium are targetting a different clientele. The ones with more disposable income for this sort of pastime. Who are we to argue and attempt to drive the price down, which isn't likely to happen anyways, in hopes to afford their services. It's their decision to raise their rates like it's your decision to move on to something you are able to afford. This issue is a stalemate each and every time. Progress, move on.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

This issue is a stalemate each and every time. Progress, move on.

Pretty much true.
Yet look how Perberts, through their coordinated economic action, have driven down the price of gasoline from its post-Katrina highs.
So who really knows?

 

[oppai]

I don't know what you are complaining about. I've personally never spent more than $200 (maybe $250) for an hour and although I'm not overly impressed with the service compared to what I have received elsewhere in the world, there are HEAPS of deal to be had. I can't blame ANY of these girls for charging what they do because most of you (and perhaps me) are a bunch of dirty pigs. If I was a woman there is NO way I would subject myself to some of the shit they have to deal with. Reading some of the posts from members here I can't believe what assholes people can be. I pay for sex simply because I'm single and I get locked up..I tend to get better service (YMMV) than other members and it doesn't surprise me why. I think many people who visit these ladies are not paying for sex but are paying for a power trip, a chance to be the "man" in the relationship and control the situation...and they go too far. I honestly think that ANY SP is UNDERpaid for what they do. I think they deserve a lot more but of course....you have to charge what the market is willing to pay and what they deem YOU (the SP) deserving of. I don't think there is ANY other job except door to door sales that has the potential to be more damaging to ones ego than this kind of work. To read people talking about how your snatch stinks or you are fat (at 130lbs...5'7") or how your performance was lackluster (meanwhile the dude posting the review is a super chubby stinky bastard who likes to call women ho or bitch or whatever and tries to get more mileage than he deserves). Anyways, I really find this post disturbing because the dude posting it has never (I assume) subjected himself to the other side of the equation. For all who cheer in favor...I think that you are wrong.

My opinion...but even the worst SP's out there, the ones who scam you or give shitty service....they don't deserve the life they live.

On the flipside there are winderful SP's who give amazing service and chrge 4-500$ per hour...and they too deserve more. If I was wealthy and visited an SP I would pay WAY more than what I do now just because I think it is a tough job and they deserve something extra. As it is I always try and be a gentlemen and leave a complement even if I can't pay what I think most of these women truly deserve.

My 2 cents.

 

[Venn]

My goal for writing the article was to stir up some discussion, perhaps cause a few ripples, and certainly get some of us to think about where this is all heading. I don't intend to "defend" my position, as I don't really think that is necessary in this forum. So, inspite of the writer of this post misjudging some of my motivations for writing the article, I was still not going to comment until I read this ....

Anyways, I really find this post disturbing because the dude posting it has never (I assume) subjected himself to the other side of the equation. For all who cheer in favor...I think that you are wrong.

What are you saying? The dude who posted it has never sold sexual services, therefore should not comment on what the average hourly rate for an SP's time in Vancouver is? This after you comment on guys who refer to the girls as "ho's" and "sluts" and want to power trip on them. I don't like the implications.

You would have a hard time finding someone who respects the ladies who work as SP's more then I do, Oppai. I like to enter with a hug and leave with a hug. I'm even one of those guys that hopes the girl enjoys the session as much as I do. A few of the women on here could I'm sure speak up and attest to that.

I do not, I repeat, and as I said it in the post, disrespect the lovely women who offer us guys such a wonderful service. Nor would I ever blame them for charging what the market would bear. This post was never a whine aimed at the women. Rather, it was and is a comment directed at us men who PAY for the service. Its a service we purchase, Oppai. Furthermore, the price we pay has nothing to do with the service we can expect. I've read reviews where the most expensive SP's are also often the ones who are least giving during the session. In my opinion, in Vancouver, the market has become unrealistically inflated. Why? Obviously because there are enough guys out there who are willing to fork over an ungodly amount of cash for an hour of fun.

Other things can become inflated beyond reason: I cite the price of a Vancouver Canucks home game for instance. I will not go to see the Canucks at the prices they are now charging. Why? Because in my estimation, a hockey game is not worth it. I'll listen on the radio, or watch it on TV, but I won't support the corporate greed that has made hockey games so overpriced that for a father to take his 2 boys to the game is looking at forking out close to $300 ($70/ticket, $20 each for food/drinks, plus parking).

You've had made this out to be a personal attack on the women. That is not the case at all. If we can't comment on this industry, and the prices we pay for services, then what is the point of a discussion group like PERB? We are here to discuss our experiences from a "buyers" point of view, and it was from that perspective that I stated my case.

It is still, and will always be, the guys perogative to pay what he decides he will pay. That is not going to change. In addition, there will always be girls glamorous enough to be mistaken for Hollywood starlets, and these girls often charge a higher rate as great beauty has always been justification for a higher charge, no matter the product for sale.

I do agree that those who work as SP's face a great challenge. First of all, society in general looks down on their profession. A girl I meet daily in the course of my work has told me that she has never told her family what she does, even tho she is drug-free and has no qualms herself about what she does. I too have read comments on Perb that I find offensive, in that they demean the girls and show little in the way of respect. Even if a girl is addicted to crack, has sores on her face, isn't clean and is working the King George strip, I will still not refer to her as a "crack-ho." I drive up and down that stretch often, and my heart goes out to those girls, as I know few would have ever chosen to end up in that kind of lifestyle. These are not the girls I'm referring to in my post, however, as the going rate on the King George strip from what I understand is about $40.

Yet, inspite of the challenge to the girls, its still a service to the girls. You want to see a job that is crushing to the ego, look at Security Guards. They get zero repect, are mocked as "cop wannabe's", and have to wear dippy uniforms that are supposed to reflect authority, but in actuality only broadcast to the general public that they make minimum wage. Yes, that's right, that soul crushing job of Security Guard pays a staggering $7-9 per hour. Do they deserve more? Of course! But the market, in this case the malls construction sites, etc, have determined what they will pay. If businesses were willing to pay more, then perhaps the guards salaries would rise (after the security company grabbed the majority of the profits, of course).

When we learn that principle, that we set a limit to what we are willing to pay and we won't go over that limit .... and if enough of us schmucks do it ... then the prices will come down.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

A quick question.

What's the real issue here? Are you guys pissed that your favourite providers raised their rates thus forcing you to look and fuck elsewhere?

 

[noneasgood]

If you don't want to pay $400 to see a particular girl for an hour, then don't. How hard is that? If enough feel that way she'll lower her prices, but if enough feel they are getting value for their money she won't. Coming onto perb and complaining about it isn't going to influence either of these outcomes.

 

[the_chairman]

Bullshit...

I don't know what you are complaining about. I've personally never spent more than $200 (maybe $250) for an hour and although I'm not overly impressed with the service compared to what I have received elsewhere in the world, there are HEAPS of deal to be had. I can't blame ANY of these girls for charging what they do because most of you (and perhaps me) are a bunch of dirty pigs. If I was a woman there is NO way I would subject myself to some of the shit they have to deal with. Reading some of the posts from members here I can't believe what assholes people can be. I pay for sex simply because I'm single and I get locked up..I tend to get better service (YMMV) than other members and it doesn't surprise me why. I think many people who visit these ladies are not paying for sex but are paying for a power trip, a chance to be the "man" in the relationship and control the situation...and they go too far. I honestly think that ANY SP is UNDERpaid for what they do. I think they deserve a lot more but of course....you have to charge what the market is willing to pay and what they deem YOU (the SP) deserving of. I don't think there is ANY other job except door to door sales that has the potential to be more damaging to ones ego than this kind of work. To read people talking about how your snatch stinks or you are fat (at 130lbs...5'7") or how your performance was lackluster (meanwhile the dude posting the review is a super chubby stinky bastard who likes to call women ho or bitch or whatever and tries to get more mileage than he deserves). Anyways, I really find this post disturbing because the dude posting it has never (I assume) subjected himself to the other side of the equation. For all who cheer in favor...I think that you are wrong.

My opinion...but even the worst SP's out there, the ones who scam you or give shitty service....they don't deserve the life they live.

On the flipside there are winderful SP's who give amazing service and chrge 4-500$ per hour...and they too deserve more. If I was wealthy and visited an SP I would pay WAY more than what I do now just because I think it is a tough job and they deserve something extra. As it is I always try and be a gentlemen and leave a complement even if I can't pay what I think most of these women truly deserve.

My 2 cents.

Oppai,

Your two cents, sound more like bullshit. Bullshit I tell you! Bullshit!

 

[James]

Supply and Demand, again.

There is excellent value in the Lower Mainland SP market at $250, and below. While I'm not going to pay it, there is probably value at $250 and above as well. There is also crappy service available, undoubtedly across the rate scale. Do your research, and pay what you're willing to pay.

Each girl will decide what her income is going to be, by providing a given level of service, at a price which that level of service will bring her.

As for Canucks tickets, they can be had for $30 each, if you buy the Ice Paks. The cheap seats are less than $35/game at the regular price. This, despite that fact that the joint sells out every game, and they could charge more.

 

[BS Detector]

My regular girl still charges me $140/hr for the best service I have had in town. I return to her over and over again

Curious my friend, if she is "the best", I have to wonder exactly why it is that you seek out others, only to return "over and over again"?

There is one more avenue for finding bargain priced SPs - LiveLinks and the other telephone chat services. You can still find a women who will take a brown for an hour of FS on LL.

hmm. Sounds great. Does the rate include the mugging by the two guys hiding in her closet or is that extra?