What is Safe GFE?

[ashleycooc]

Hey there,


Any imput would be cool. I was reading a thread in edmonton about how safe gfe is like a bait n switch. that there is no such thing.. I have to admit that i use the term regularily and thought that it i was using it properly but.....ladies and gentlemen, your opinions please...

I was hoping to get feedback from gvr guys n gals if possible...

thnx ash


edited......
May i Rephrase my question a little?

I was wondering more what is considered "gfe", rather than what is considered "safe".

I agree that the term seems a bit an oxymoron, but at the same time, I've only ever tried greek with one past boyfriend, and I KNOW that does not mean my other past partners weren't NOT having a girlfriend experience with me. Now, with that said,....

Does strictly GFE (no "Safe"), and this ones for the guys, mean

a) no limitations, restrictions, or boundaries or

b) limitations based on....what? Hygene? restrictions based on.....what? Risk level of STI (like if there is only a 5% chance you or I could transmitt, say, HIV then ok, 10% or higher, no way)? Or boundaries based on....what? maybe such as in my "greek" example, level of Sexual experience?

If GFE is supposed to so definitive, then please tell me, A or B. i'm simple like that...

 

[Sweet Savannah]

Safe GFE...

For me, safe GFE means service is covered - condoms for full service, and CBJs. Currently I don't use coverage for daty, but have been contemplating offering it (although not making it mandatory). Safe GFE includes at least light french kissing (DFK often, but YMMV!) and time washing each other in the shower. It also includes conversation, possibly massage, and cuddling.

I would never consider offering bareback services. Do you know the rate of herpes in the general population? And the many of those people have no symptoms and pass it on without even knowing they have it. It often doesn't show up in routine STI testing either. It just isn't worth the risk to me, or my clients.

 

[ashleycooc]

Currently I don't use coverage for daty, but have been contemplating offering it (although not making it mandatory). Safe GFE includes at least light french kissing (DFK often, but YMMV!) and ?time washing each other in the shower. It also includes conversation, possibly massage, and cuddling

if daty is ymmv, still sgfe?

 

[SFMIKE]

Safe GFE is an oxymoron.

 

[housedj69]

You could ask 50 different people this question and probably get at least 30 different responses. That's why it's an issue in the first place. Safe GFE means something different to everyone, but generally it means FS and BJ are covered and LFK/DFK may or may not be on the menu.

 

[bcneil]

There are two types of service GFE and non-GFE.

GFE usually includes DFK/LFK ymmv, and usually BBBJ
non-GFE usually doesn't include kissing, CBJ only and is more detached.

non-GFE is now replaced by Safe-GFE.
I guess it puts a more positive spin?
Sort of like when the government changed unemployment insurance, to employment insurance.

 

[ashleycooc]

May i Rephrase my question a little?

I was wondering more what is considered "gfe", rather than what is considered "safe".

I agree that the term seems a bit an oxymoron, but at the same time, I've only ever tried greek with one past boyfriend, and I KNOW that does not mean my other past partners weren't NOT having a girlfriend experience with me. Now, with that said,....

Does strictly GFE (no "Safe"), and this ones for the guys, mean

a) no limitations, restrictions, or boundaries or

b) limitations based on....what? Hygene? restrictions based on.....what? Risk level of STI (like if there is only a 5% chance you or I could transmitt, say, HIV then ok, 10% or higher, no way)? Or boundaries based on....what? maybe such as in my "greek" example, level of Sexual experience?

If GFE is supposed to so definitive, then please tell me, A or B. i'm simple like that...

 

[HB40]

Does strictly GFE (no "Safe"), and this ones for the guys, mean

b) limitations based on....what?

Your choosing and comfort level dear. It amazes me that guys feel entitled to define what GFE is supposed to be, it is whatever it is, unique and characteristic of the particular lady you are with. I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[ashleycooc]

Safe GFE is nothing more than a marketing devise used by SP's who want to use the acronym GFE without providing the service of GFE. They don't want to say "I don't offer GFE" so they came up with the term Safe GFE, sneaking in the acronym, without providing the service. Marketing pure and simple. Smart but very misleading and deceptive. Eventually they get asked what is Safe GFE and they have to admit it is not GFE at all.

If an SP doesn't want to offer GFE, that is fine, that is an SP's right to decide. But don't try marketing ploys and twisting words around to trick us. Even our small heads aren't that dumb.

It is either GFE service or Non GFE service.

So then, i ask, is that answer a or answer b, or am i talking about a totally different thing

 

[vince_chase]

Well, i think you already know the answer.

You had previous boyfriends(assuming long-term) - what did you do with them? what protection did you use? there is your answer.
The whole GFE thing is a bit of a joke. There are different level of risks a provider is willing to take for "MONEY", it has nothing to do with being a GirlFriend

 

[tedsweettangv]

First there is what most pooner's expect it means but there is no definitive definition. Providers that argue with the definition I am about to write typically don't want to put SAFE in front of their service because they feel it detracts from the marketing, although I believe it sets expectations correctly.

GFE - pooner expected definition
BBBJ - some include CIM, some include that as PSE but BBBJ is the regular pooner's expectation of GFE
DFK
DATY
Digits
Covered FS

From the Urban Dictionary

Like the others said, GFE=Girlfriend experience. In some situations, it also means that the prostitute/escort is willing to perform some services without condoms, akabarebacked, usually blowjobs(BBBJ)

I remember several of the threads on BBBJs in the health section. I seem to remember the health nurse saying DATY was less risk to the SP, but more risk to the pooner but I may be wrong. I also vaguely remember in the same thread saying BBBJs were less risk to the pooner buy more to the SP. I am not qualified to make either of those statements, I am not a medical person, check the health nurse area and if I got it wrong please correct me. I also vaguely remember there was a discussion if CIM changed the risks, I don't remember the outcome. There is lots of information in the health section, go look it up.

 

[vince_chase]

GFE - Marketing

i disagree...

just plain FS is just straight to the point fucking n sucking

GFE = girl friend experience.

even if the lady wont kiss the guy or do bbbj.. it doesnt mean they're not still cuddling n being passionate with the sex.. thats a girlfriend experience.

if i had a bf.. n his breath smelled.. i would not kiss him, if he didnt cut his nails.. i'd tell him to n not let him unless he cut them off.. feel me?
cuz thats what a GF does....

its all a matter of YMMV

FoxyWest, i assume you HAVE been in a relationship before.
If your real life boyfriend breath smelled because he had fried onions/garlic or whatever for dinner/lunch. most girlfriend would just ask him to brush his teeth/use mouth wash and comeback to bed. Will a SP who ONLY offers SAFE GFE do that??? i think not, the SAFE GFE is about health and intimancy issues - which is fine.

i wish people would stop using this SAFE GFE term altogether - it is meaningless.
i think it should be called SAFE SPE(Service Provider Experience).

 

[Man Mountain]

Safe GFE means - CBJ, CFS... & DATY, Digits, LFK/DFK is YMMV!!!

i mean, im Safe GFE.. i wouldnt provide LFK/DFK, DATY, Digits to any client that had bad hygiene, breath, long nails, beard... etc

You won't kiss a guy with a beard?! Not sure how that's a safety issue but if that's a YMMV issue for you, perhaps that should be noted in your advertising. For me, it's pretty simple -- no kissing (and I'm fine with LFK) means it's not a GFE.

 

[storm rider]

All I can say is if a gal is advertising as GFE the she should play tonsil hockey.....I have had quite a few GF's and I have been married so I know what the personal connection is with it.I recently participated in a poker game where the gals were from a local agency....one of the gals was a pretty lil asian and she caught my eye....I was interested until I found out about her menu....which included no BBBJ/DATY/KISSING/DIGITS.....she quickly fell off my radar.....what is the point of shagging a gal if she is clinical about it and restrictive?......if a gal does not offer DFK/BBBJ/DATY I will not see her.....it is my money and I speak with my wallet.

SR

 

[ashleycooc]

okay. so. so far.......

The whole GFE thing is a bit of a joke. There are different level of risks a provider is willing to take for "MONEY", it has nothing to do with being a GirlFriend

Interesting point. So MAYBE, safe gfe just means that there are no extra charges? that the safe gfe rate includes everything that an sp would be willing to do with you? doesn't it mean she's not going to stop in the heat of the moment and tell you that's gonna be an extra hundred for this or that? where as FS would be standard sucky sucky *ucky *ucky, with a stern, yet charming, "now get the hell outta here. I've got another appointment coming..." and a "oh, yes i offer daty but that's an extra 50".

Would everyone agree that in the end, using the term gfe with or without the safe is simply about charging extra or not for anything above the standard sucky *ucky.....

 

[johnperb]

Safe is a relative term.

The earth spins at a speed of around 1000 kph, while it travels its orbit at 107,000 kph... so I figure we are in a pretty precarious position no matter what we do

Just thought I'd throw that in there for some geeky fun
xoxo
Nina

The research is as follows. Pocket-protected scientists built a wall of iron and crashed a diamond car into it at 400 miles per hour, and the car was unharmed. They then built a wall out of diamond and crashed a car made of iron moving at 400 miles an hour into the wall, and the wall came out fine. They then crashed a diamond car made of 400 miles per hour into a wall, and there were no survivors. They crashed 400 miles per hour into a diamond traveling at iron car. Western New York was powerless for hours. They rammed a wall of metal into a 400 mile per hour made of diamond, and the resulting explosion shifted the earth's orbit 400 million miles away from the sun, saving the earth from a meteor the size of a small Washington suburb that was hurtling towards mid-western Prussia at 400 billion miles per hour. They shot a diamond made of iron at a car moving at 400 walls per hour, and as a result caused two wayward airplanes to lose track of their bearings, and make a fatal crash with two buildings in downtown New York. They spun 400 miles at diamond into iron per wall. The results were inconclusive. Finally, they placed 400 diamonds per hour in front of a car made of wall traveling at miles per iron, and the result proved without a doubt that diamonds were the hardest metal of all time, if not just the hardest metal known to man.

Just thought I'd throw that in there for some geeky fun
xoxo
John

 

[Sweet Savannah]

As for the question about my earlier post, YMMV on deep vs light FK, not DATY.

As for the "safe GFE = non-GFE" argument, I know at CF GFE is defined as including FK and CBJ, while non GFE does not require those things, which can feel more intimate.

With a new partner, even in my personal life, I use a condom for BJs... you never know what that person could have.

 

[kalel]

G.F.E. - G I R L__F R I E N D__E X P E R I E N C E

the idea is to provide the session to make the guy feel like he's with his girlfriend. i suppose the limiting factors are safety, what you're willing to do, and how well you know the person. i mean there are many sp's that offer greek but it's not 100% a guarantee in a normal relationship. kissing, bbbj, etc are still a ymmv thing but i would think they would be included in a GFE session.

NOW, i still think the original question came from somebody who knows the answer, she was just looking for a way to properly advertise what she's willing to do, how much to charge for it and without any confusion. and i'm all for that.