The arguments would be the same no matter the cap if you ask me N2O. And I would agree with you that the caps do not work....unless we were talking about hockey of course.....
What is a fair city-wide MAXIMUM rate for escorts?
- Thread starter not2old
- Start date
Susi I think most of what you have shown is a good thing. though it was a lot to read through on the board......lol. Thank you for the spacing etc.......
I am assuming that it is hoped that Van will be a model to be applied in other communities?
I am assuming that it is hoped that Van will be a model to be applied in other communities?
How is $100 an hour "Unreasonable" ?
It is MUCH more than the going rate in every country where prostitution is fully legalized and regulated (except Nevada)
If you are going to talk about enforced min and max rates, you are either in the context of legalization and regulation or in the context of a gang controlled monopoly (Angels, Mafia, etc...).
It`s not unreasonable actually but keep in mind the context with which you have the SP`s working.
hatrick seems to find great deals all the time by hooking up with gals all over the Lower Mainland streets.
The average for him seems to be $60 - $80 per ride.
Now for those who do not have a "Trick Machine" & a "Snatchlight" you would probably prefer to see a gal in their incall.
So let`s add another $100 to that, which is actually more than enough to acquire proper in-call facilities.
Assuming 20 working days in a month an average furnished downtown in-call is $1600 per month which means $80 per day.
This would give a reasonable starting point of $160 - $180 per hour.
If the escort offers particularly exquisite physical, social & erotic services she can command a premium for this which seems to be whatever the client can afford.
But for the average escort in this city that caters to the average working stiff (Joe plumber or Jack used car salesman) she will have to market herself at a level such that it will keep the boys coming in the door.
With the Olympics now gone & the local economy getting back to normal I see that we just may find rates dropping from the average of $250-$300 per hour that we became used to during the build-up to the Olympics.
With all those construction worker dollars now in Alberta & other parts of Canada & the US it just is not reasonable to expect those left behind to pick up the slack so that SP`s do not have to feel the same pinch the rest of us are feeling.
So what is the average pay for the rest of us in Vancouver?
Above you can see that most in this city earn less than $100k per year.
If you look at the median you will find that it comes in at about $56k per year.
All of the above requires a university degree with the exception of the Admin Assistant who probably has a high level of technical education in office & media training.
That equates to about $29 per hour if the person works 160 hours per month.
So, what is it that an escort does that makes them worth more than ten times what the average person makes per hour?
Some of you may remember this thread:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ike-to-earn-20-000-per-month-or-more&p=926137
We got into a rather heated debate about why escorts should earn more than doctors & Lawyers.
Maybe someone can come up with a valid reason why escorts are better than those who spent 6-10 years in University & medical school?
With the cost of living the way it is how do these gals expect the average Joe to partake in the services they offer?
http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/Vancouverliving.asp
The truth is they don`t - they cater to the wealthy & when the wealthy start to cut back then they will consider seeing the less desirable.
Here`s another good read:
http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Labour-Industry/2009/01/30/HomePrices/
Last edited:
Would it be fair to say you are only interested in the rates of independent escorts being reduced, rather than agency or mp workers? Consider, before you answer, that many or most of the agency, mp, amp, or AAL worker are already working at a rate that is either lower than, equal to or not much higher than 100/hr (after fees, fines, tips, etc) regardless of what you might hand over.
Amsterdam = $198 Cdn/hr (based on 50 Euro per 20 minutes in a cubicle (or 150Euro average as shown in the link); 66 cdn = 50Euros)
http://www.amsterdam.info/prostitution/
In New Zealand, from what I could see, the average looks around 220-250 Cdn.
These are countries where prostitution is fully legal; plus they are countries that are much more similar to Canadian culture and norms than many other countries, in terms of worker safety, health, income expectations, standard of living, average living expenses,, and common language. You can hardly compare "reasonable" hourly in a country where the average monthly income is 200/month and housing costs are 50 bucks, versus a country where these are 10 times higher, if not more. In that case, country A should have sex worker rates of 10 bucks an hour for you to justify 100 bucks an hour in Canada, right?
http://www.pinkmoon.co.nz/prostitution.htm
So, my question is, do you think that this 100/hr should be net or gross, and if not net, why not? No medical or dental benefits, no paid vacation, no paid sick days, time limit on ability to work (3-5 years of being the optimal age of 20-25), no maternity leave, etc.
And have you considered how this could affect sex workers who can only do street work? Or doesn't that matter either. What is supposed to happen for them if indoor independent sps who can offer so much more comfort and convenience, are undercutting their rates? The SWs may charge between 40-80 for car dates, sometimes able to get more. Every time they get into a vehicle, their lives or safety is at risk. Indoor work is not an option for them, or they would be doing it already. So, in your ideal world, it would be near impossible for them to get 100 or even 80 out of a car date session. So, that means to make more money, they have to get into more cars each and every day. Is hatrick going to start seeing more or less at 20 or less?
Last edited:
I wasn't really following your other "closed" thread re: this topic, Kim. I just shake my head at all this discussion on this topic, though.I'm going to ignore the fact that this is a spin off.
Now, I got Susi's permission to share this story with you all. We were having drinks together the other night and discussing my topic when she told me this.
Apparently, she has been having some issues with other service providers. These SP are somehow figuring out what building she lives/works in. They stand around the building, catch Susie's clients as they walk in, and try to steal them away by offering the clients a cheaper price than what Susie charges. This has lost her quite a bit, as you can imagine. Not just a chunk of her income (she honestly doesn't get paid to do the things she does for the sex trade organizations), but also her privacy.
Yes, when thinking about "undercutting", I think many would have CL or micros or whatever come to mind, but I don't know if clients really realize just how far some SP are going to undercut those of us who are trying to run honest businesses.
Guys think that the girls who are charging less are doing so because that is what they want to charge. This is TRUE, but occasionally there are ladies out there who just really don't give a crap about the market, other ladies' livelihood, or stealing other ladies' clients.
So, when I ponder whether or not there should be a cap, I'm not trying to target or attack micros or other CL girls. I understand that they are just trying to make a living (the same as me). I'm talking about targeting the ladies out there who honestly just have no respect for other SP and don't really care if they target another girl's clientele with cheaper prices.
Some people might say that it is just a part of the business, but YOU try losing a $250 call just because some bitch decides she can target your client and charge him $100 instead. Some guys might stay with their original choice, but a frugal pooner will probably ditch their call and go with the $100 offer instead.
I had to deal with a similar situation when I was just starting out and sharing an incall with a bunch of girls. One or two of them kept trying to undercut my prices. One even answered my phone while I was in the washroom and stole my call by convincing the client to see her instead. Needless to say the shared incall didn't last that long, but the point still stands.
I believe that there are probably a lot of ladies out there who have had to deal with other SP who have no respect for their fellow sisters. Yes, guys can choose their price and girls can choose what to charge, but there comes a point where some of the SP out there are just over-stepping the line. There's nothing wrong with charging less, in my opinion, but I don't think it should be at the expense of other SP.
My 2 cents...I had to ad them, so yeah...
A union among SPs, LOL, that's like trying to start a union among used car dealers!
Don't worry so much about what the other girls are charging. If You're better than them at what you do, you'll get more clients at your price. But if you're not better than them, well that's called "free enterprise" baby, you'd better adjust your prices to compete.
It's the way of the world!
My doctor gives the worst prostate massages. He doesn't use lube, talks about cancer(mood killer) and doesn't take his watch off.
He also doesn't offer discounts to regulars. L: 5
A: 4
S: 3
You're right Miss Bijou! PeaceGuy is just a born "romantic."PeaceGuy, You are SO DAMN SEXY.
Such a way with words.... Melts your heart, doesn't it?
