These girls weren't bullied 'a little'. Nothing about what they endured should be downplayed and brushed off like that. This is heinous abuse, sexual assault and extreme emotional violence. You can't possibly compare that to the insults, taunts and dust ups we all experienced in our youth.
What evil anti-sex society is killing these girls?
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Except the perps I was referring to are present day criminals and people that cause harm to others
.....and you say you want us want to "hunt" them. What was your grand plan? Give them a 100 yd headstart after they exit the jailgates or a mental health ward and then chase after these people on horseback with bloodhounds? Or skip the justice system entirely, pronounce "I, perbertwilly, say you are guilty.......... start running, sucka' "let's all go on a rapist-hunt.
Torch-and-pitch fork justice breathed its last in Mary Shelley's novel, it's soooooo 200 years ago.
You know you won't get any non-sociopath to join your lynchmob bloodsport; we'll leave crime, punishment and rehabilitation to credentialed professionals.
The new dark twist of these awful sexual tragedies in recent years is the victim's relationship to social media. The girls's lives and esteem is oh-so tied up in their social media persona and image: the pictures and videos of themselves, the information about them that is out there forever, their lists of friends, and so on. They want to look their absolute best. When that universe turns completely against them, and does so savagely, unjustly and irrevocably, the sense of (unwarranted) shame and powerlessness could be overwhelming for any young woman, no matter how great her ego strength.These girls weren't bullied 'a little'. Nothing about what they endured should be downplayed and brushed off like that. This is heinous abuse, sexual assault and extreme emotional violence. You can't possibly compare that to the insults, taunts and dust ups we all experienced in our youth.
I don't know if I'd go all medieval like you described, but you made it sound pretty funny haha. Let's go all Frankenstein on these motherfucking rapists! Time to recruit!
http://news.yahoo.com/indian-police-arrest-suspect-rape-5-old-anger-062348117.html
this just in... cowards and pieces of shits
this just in... cowards and pieces of shits
http://news.yahoo.com/indian-police-arrest-suspect-rape-5-old-anger-062348117.html
this just in... cowards and pieces of shits
There was an article awhile back. India was found to be the worse country to be a woman in, even worse than Saudi Arabia.
Edit the above, worst country of the worlds 20 largest economies. Which still includes Saudi Arabia
Were you there ? Did you witness it ?These girls weren't bullied 'a little'. Nothing about what they endured should be downplayed and brushed off like that. This is heinous abuse, sexual assault and extreme emotional violence. You can't possibly compare that to the insults, taunts and dust ups we all experienced in our youth.
Because girls never do things they regret and lie about what happened after to make themselves look like the victim ? When I was in high school a girl got drunk at a house party I was at and decided she wanted to fuck and fuck she did she fucked like 10 guys that night and still was asking more guys to fuck her walking around the party wearing only a cum stained t-shirt and nothing else. Now sure she was drunk but so was everyone but the next day did you think she was remembering that it was her that was the one who was asking the guys to fuck her or do you think she claimed she was drunk and didn't remember what happened and then because everyone was talking about her the next day her story all of a sudden was she was sexually attacked by a group of guys she was the victim and she was raped at a party !!
I don't know what really happened to these girls the WHOLE STORY not the tidbits of info the news decides to air but I know I have seen first hand what can happen when a girl regrets her decision and all of a sudden becomes the victim in her own mind and makes false accusations to look innocent. 25 years ago we didn't have smart phones the internet and facebook but drunk teenagers no matter what decade your in do stupid stuff when drinking a lot of it they regret afterwards. I hold no judgement either way but I am not going to just accept her version based on what some news report looking for ratings says.
An isolated incident and a gigantic Sampling Error, applying this one disreputable person to represent the subjects of the discussion as a whole. She does not represent the WHOLE STORY. You suck gpchillin of grande prairie AND your signature quote!
Plus I hope you weren't one of those sick dudes going for sloppy-eighths! The girl at the party in your story may not have been at her conscience-best when super intoxicated; a gentleman protects a woman, even when she's not acting like a lady.
Plus I hope you weren't one of those sick dudes going for sloppy-eighths! The girl at the party in your story may not have been at her conscience-best when super intoxicated; a gentleman protects a woman, even when she's not acting like a lady.
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Were you there ? Did you witness it ?
Because girls never do things they regret and lie about what happened after to make themselves look like the victim ? When I was in high school a girl got drunk at a house party I was at and decided she wanted to fuck and fuck she did she fucked like 10 guys that night and still was asking more guys to fuck her walking around the party wearing only a cum stained t-shirt and nothing else. Now sure she was drunk but so was everyone but the next day did you think she was remembering that it was her that was the one who was asking the guys to fuck her or do you think she claimed she was drunk and didn't remember what happened and then because everyone was talking about her the next day her story all of a sudden was she was sexually attacked by a group of guys she was the victim and she was raped at a party !!
I don't know what really happened to these girls the WHOLE STORY not the tidbits of info the news decides to air but I know I have seen first hand what can happen when a girl regrets her decision and all of a sudden becomes the victim in her own mind and makes false accusations to look innocent. 25 years ago we didn't have smart phones the internet and facebook but drunk teenagers no matter what decade your in do stupid stuff when drinking a lot of it they regret afterwards. I hold no judgement either way but I am not going to just accept her version based on what some news report looking for ratings says.
You won;t have to accept her version.
She's dead.
These kind of stories have been, and always will be, hitting the news long before we were all born and long after we are all dead, so there can be no potential end to dredging these stories up and posting about them on this thread, encouraged by the inevitable sensationalization by the main stream media.
IMHO, it's time to lock down this thread, Mod.
IMHO, it's time to lock down this thread, Mod.
...what what whaaaaat? I'm lost in trying to decipher your message in the medium, and within the wordiness....The new dark twist of these awful sexual tragedies in recent years is the victim's relationship to social media. The girls's lives and esteem is oh-so tied up in their social media persona and image: the pictures and videos of themselves, the information about them that is out there forever, their lists of friends, and so on. They want to look their absolute best. When that universe turns completely against them, and does so savagely, unjustly and irrevocably, the sense of (unwarranted) shame and powerlessness could be overwhelming for any young woman, no matter how great her ego strength.
man, you really add nothing to a discourse nor know how to.These kind of stories have been, and always will be, hitting the news long before we were all born and long after we are all dead, so there can be no potential end to dredging these stories up and posting about them on this thread, encouraged by the inevitable sensationalization by the main stream media.
That pretty much answered his questions.You won;t have to accept her version.
She's dead.
I'll compose in monosyllabic words, write with colored crayons and write..........real...........slow..........for you next time.
...what what whaaaaat? I'm lost in trying to decipher your message in the medium, and within the wordiness....
man, you really add nothing to a discourse nor know how to.
That pretty much answered his questions.
Teen sex at drunken parties: interesting points of view!
Anyone who knows the raging hormones of boys—with inhibitions numbed by alcohol—won't consider it implausible that passed-out teenage girls get raped at parties.
But you're right, gpchillin—plausibility isn't certainty. Teenage sex at drunken parties isn't always simply a matter of horny boys raping innocent girls.
Let's not forget, young people nowadays live in the age of hookup culture. A substantial percentage of Canadian female highschoolers aged 14-17 are having sex. (For anyone interested, there's research here: http://menstuff.org/issues/byissue/teensex.html)
Some teenage girls are even capable of running a whole prostitution ring! http://metronews.ca/news/canada/624...cused-of-running-an-ottawa-prostitution-ring/
So it's clearly not always boys who're the devils and girls who're the angels. Lots of 15 to 17-yr-old girls have discovered the powerful dopamine rush they get from sex, and some may go to parties looking forward to it.
In her amazing book Vagina, Naomi Wolf has this to say about "date rape" (p151):
"...feminism, and women's campaigns in general, so often reflexively put their claims in a frame of women as 'abused innocents,' especially when it comes to sexual issues...Feminists learned that they gained social sympathy, status, and legal victories by constructing a narrative of helpless female sexual victimization by predatory, brutal men...
The trouble is that most date rapes today happen after a nuanced encounter—in which a woman wants this, but emphatically does not want that. If we are unable ever to talk about sexual agency without fearing that this makes us 'fair game' for [vicious attacks by the politically correct], we will never be able to prosecute real rapes successfully."
Powerful, thought-provoking stuff. So it's not a foregone conclusion, in the case of Rehtaeh Parsons or Audrie Pott (and several similar cases), that pending law suits will actually prove sexual assault. Parents that are pressing for criminal charges against the boys may be in for a surprise when they hear "the facts" about their daughters.
Shame typically discourages truth-telling, and parents who consider a daughter's sexual encounters to be shameful give her irresistible incentive to minimize her share of responsibility for what happened. So what these girls told their folks likely isn't even close to the truth.
We don't know to what extent the sex was non-consensual. But it seems crystal clear that it's not the rape, but subsequent public shaming via the Internet, that drove these girls to suicide. Such shaming would clearly not work in a truly sex-positive society that found only rape repugnant—but sex itself about as morally neutral as brushing one's teeth.
These boys are total slimebags for uploading sexually explicit photos. It drove the girls to suicide. And no doubt, as a result of all the publicity, many girls are now too scared to attend parties—which of course spoils boys' chances for hookups.
Kudos to the brothers for the level of discourse in this thread.Were you there ? Did you witness it ?
Because girls never do things they regret and lie about what happened after to make themselves look like the victim ?
I don't know what really happened to these girls the WHOLE STORY not the tidbits of info the news decides to air but I know I have seen first hand what can happen when a girl regrets her decision and all of a sudden becomes the victim in her own mind and makes false accusations to look innocent.
Anyone who knows the raging hormones of boys—with inhibitions numbed by alcohol—won't consider it implausible that passed-out teenage girls get raped at parties.
But you're right, gpchillin—plausibility isn't certainty. Teenage sex at drunken parties isn't always simply a matter of horny boys raping innocent girls.
Let's not forget, young people nowadays live in the age of hookup culture. A substantial percentage of Canadian female highschoolers aged 14-17 are having sex. (For anyone interested, there's research here: http://menstuff.org/issues/byissue/teensex.html)
Some teenage girls are even capable of running a whole prostitution ring! http://metronews.ca/news/canada/624...cused-of-running-an-ottawa-prostitution-ring/
So it's clearly not always boys who're the devils and girls who're the angels. Lots of 15 to 17-yr-old girls have discovered the powerful dopamine rush they get from sex, and some may go to parties looking forward to it.
In her amazing book Vagina, Naomi Wolf has this to say about "date rape" (p151):
"...feminism, and women's campaigns in general, so often reflexively put their claims in a frame of women as 'abused innocents,' especially when it comes to sexual issues...Feminists learned that they gained social sympathy, status, and legal victories by constructing a narrative of helpless female sexual victimization by predatory, brutal men...
The trouble is that most date rapes today happen after a nuanced encounter—in which a woman wants this, but emphatically does not want that. If we are unable ever to talk about sexual agency without fearing that this makes us 'fair game' for [vicious attacks by the politically correct], we will never be able to prosecute real rapes successfully."
Powerful, thought-provoking stuff. So it's not a foregone conclusion, in the case of Rehtaeh Parsons or Audrie Pott (and several similar cases), that pending law suits will actually prove sexual assault. Parents that are pressing for criminal charges against the boys may be in for a surprise when they hear "the facts" about their daughters.
Shame typically discourages truth-telling, and parents who consider a daughter's sexual encounters to be shameful give her irresistible incentive to minimize her share of responsibility for what happened. So what these girls told their folks likely isn't even close to the truth.
We don't know to what extent the sex was non-consensual. But it seems crystal clear that it's not the rape, but subsequent public shaming via the Internet, that drove these girls to suicide. Such shaming would clearly not work in a truly sex-positive society that found only rape repugnant—but sex itself about as morally neutral as brushing one's teeth.
These boys are total slimebags for uploading sexually explicit photos. It drove the girls to suicide. And no doubt, as a result of all the publicity, many girls are now too scared to attend parties—which of course spoils boys' chances for hookups.
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thank goodness tantelize-
-that you are not a real academic so you have little influence in the real public sphere and in people's minds, and that your convoluted opinions derived from misinterpreting a hodge-podge of news articles and books are only relegated to this forum.
I understand this forum tries to promote positive sexual ideas and I appreciate that you originally posted for this subject, but such shame that a real social issue is turned into a text for yourself and the other oversexed contributors.
In our Western society, sex or sexual themes is not the primary issue in criminal sexual assault and rape cases; the true issue pertains to the coercion, violence or violation of personal rights by a person/s against another, along with the involvement of under-aged youths in the three particular cases. These young victims' uniquely-personal suicides are unfortunate outcomes when they could no longer cope with their physical and psychological trauma. But all this, is not because of an "evil anti-sex society [that killed] these girls" as you so self-derisively titled this thread. It is because no one was there for them when they needed someone most.
...and all you can think about is sex
...only listening to the fantasy that you want to hear
-How to protect young people from these social ills should be the only discourse.
-that you are not a real academic so you have little influence in the real public sphere and in people's minds, and that your convoluted opinions derived from misinterpreting a hodge-podge of news articles and books are only relegated to this forum.
I understand this forum tries to promote positive sexual ideas and I appreciate that you originally posted for this subject, but such shame that a real social issue is turned into a text for yourself and the other oversexed contributors.
In our Western society, sex or sexual themes is not the primary issue in criminal sexual assault and rape cases; the true issue pertains to the coercion, violence or violation of personal rights by a person/s against another, along with the involvement of under-aged youths in the three particular cases. These young victims' uniquely-personal suicides are unfortunate outcomes when they could no longer cope with their physical and psychological trauma. But all this, is not because of an "evil anti-sex society [that killed] these girls" as you so self-derisively titled this thread. It is because no one was there for them when they needed someone most.
...and all you can think about is sex
...only listening to the fantasy that you want to hear
-How to protect young people from these social ills should be the only discourse.
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An eye-opener on the Rehtaeh Parsons case
Christy Blatchford's article, which I consider investigative journalism at its most courageous: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/B...cuted+Rehtaeh+Parsons+case/8298287/story.html
Rehtaeh Parsons’ mom and dad respond: http://o.canada.com/2013/04/26/glen-canning-retaeh-parsons-father-responds-to-blatchford-column/
Looks like Rehtaeh's mom and dad—and those who believed the "rape" story they propagated—have egg on their faces.
I'm embarrassed myself that I initially accepted this story. But even if Rehtaeh had been raped, I always thought the main impetus for her suicide came from misplaced fear and shame of being called a "slut."
From comments made by Rehtaeh's parents, it's evident they're the type who'd guilt their teenage daughter out for having sex—so Rehtaeh felt the need to tell a pack of lies about what happened at the party. When these lies became increasingly unsustainable in the light of testimony of the female witness to what actually happened, this of course compounded Rehtaeh's guilt and shame.
Girls like her, who commit suicide due to cyberbullying after sex, probably don't have a single respected adult in their immediate circle who'd make them feel okay about teenage sexual experimenting.
I'm more convinced than ever of the role of shaming by an anti-sex social environment in contributing to these girls' suicides.
Christy Blatchford's article, which I consider investigative journalism at its most courageous: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/B...cuted+Rehtaeh+Parsons+case/8298287/story.html
Rehtaeh Parsons’ mom and dad respond: http://o.canada.com/2013/04/26/glen-canning-retaeh-parsons-father-responds-to-blatchford-column/
Looks like Rehtaeh's mom and dad—and those who believed the "rape" story they propagated—have egg on their faces.
I'm embarrassed myself that I initially accepted this story. But even if Rehtaeh had been raped, I always thought the main impetus for her suicide came from misplaced fear and shame of being called a "slut."
From comments made by Rehtaeh's parents, it's evident they're the type who'd guilt their teenage daughter out for having sex—so Rehtaeh felt the need to tell a pack of lies about what happened at the party. When these lies became increasingly unsustainable in the light of testimony of the female witness to what actually happened, this of course compounded Rehtaeh's guilt and shame.
Girls like her, who commit suicide due to cyberbullying after sex, probably don't have a single respected adult in their immediate circle who'd make them feel okay about teenage sexual experimenting.
I'm more convinced than ever of the role of shaming by an anti-sex social environment in contributing to these girls' suicides.
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