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dittman

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quinlan, how would you know about fox news your govt has banned it from broadcasting in canada, I guess their trying to protect your fragile minds.
 

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Pacifist Approach

Clinton showed weakness in the aftermaths of the embassy bombings and the USS Cole attack. I believe that sent a sign to the terrorists that resulted in Sep 11.

Bush on the other hand has realized this and I willing to get down and dirty to prevent any potential threats in the future. There is an old saying that goes something like this , "Better to go in after the dragon in its lair before it comes out for you."

I bet Bush didn't imagine his time in office would be like these past few years. He doesn't have an easy job.
 

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westwoody said:
Luckydog, you only quoted the first part of my post, did you read the rest? Do you deny that other countries are in Afghanistan trying to put that country back together? And the killing of Canadian troops by Americans?
Other countries are in Afghanistan.
I do not deny US forces killed Canadian troops in Afghanistan. A horrible accident that may even have involved negligence.


westwoody said:
Well you seem to conveniently skip right over that. The use of the word "ignorant" is not name calling, "ignorant" means unaware or not knowing, in this case it seems you were unaware that other countries were in Afghanistan, and are there right now, and you are unaware that your Air Force killed four of my countrymen. That Americans can kill without even noticing that they have killed, well , that's the attitude that we're dealing with.
There are a number of words that have a meaning when used as per the definition in Webster. But the more accepted common use is very derogatory and demeaning.
Ignorant is one. So is bitch, bastard, idiot, and bigot. If you choose to use words that have inflammatory connotations, please don’t be surprised when you are flamed in return.

westwoody said:

As far as blaming everything on Clinton, which will probably be the Republican strategy for the next while, was Osama not one of the warlords, along with Farrah Aidid, that the Rangers tried to capture in Somalia in the raid in the movie "Blackhawk Down". We would probably all be better off if that raid had been successful! Bush senior was at the helm back then, and he kind of set the tone for Clinton by cutting his losses and getting out.
I am not a Republican and I do not blame everything on Clinton. Clinton tried a pacifist approach to dealing with terrorists. It didn’t work. Now it is time to try “I’ll kick you in the ass” and I will piss on anyone who dares to help you. If you give safe haven to terrorists, if you fund their activities, if you knowingly give them safe passage through your country then you should expect a visit from Uncle Sam. Iran and Saudi Arabia are moving well up the list.

westwoody said:
We would probably all be better off if that raid had been successful! Bush senior was at the helm back then, and he kind of set the tone for Clinton by cutting his losses and getting out. So maybe if Bush Sr. had been a bit more tenacious 9-11 wouldn't have happened.
Agreed. If 41 had ousted sadam we would be in a different world. But we are not, so we need to deal with reality, not with what could have been.

westwoody said:
Americans should remember that France came to their aid in both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812.
Repaid in WWII.


westwoody said:
Americans should also realize that a foreigner can disagree with US policy, but not hate all Americans. My sister-in-law is American, and she's pretty nice! Her mom is even a card-carrying Republican with a picture of her and George Sr. on her mantel!
Americans are not of one mind. Many Americans disagree with the current administration. I have no problem with anyone who has a reasoned and civil disagreement. The ones that obviously hate Americans are the one like LonelyGhost who is ignorant (using your meaning of the word). I am a brown shirt or a KKK member or a Nazi. Let me say to LG he is obviously a coward who would rather see Sadam in power than stand up for what is right. (Sorry I digress, it just feels so good to label someone as timid as LG a coward).

I am not a Republican. I have a number of disagreements with what both 41 and 43 have done. Right now 43 is the right man for the job and we can clean up his domestic mistakes once we have taken care of business.
 

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In my opinion Mr Bush is a poorly educated man who understands little if any l of what the worlds realities are. His right wing christian philosophies would not let this board even exist let alone the members who use it. Before one disusses his personality and traits, research is required. For a person who professes to commune with his God it is understandable that so many of his country man are concerned about his actions and his direction for the USA. I for one am very proud and glad to be Canadian and do not have to hide who I am when I travel as more and more americans have to.
 

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"As far as blaming everything on Clinton, which will probably be the Republican strategy for the next while, was Osama not one of the warlords, along with Farrah Aidid, that the Rangers tried to capture in Somalia in the raid in the movie "Blackhawk Down". We would probably all be better off if that raid had been successful! Bush senior was at the helm back then, and he kind of set the tone for Clinton by cutting his losses and getting out. So maybe if Bush Sr. had been a bit more tenacious 9-11 wouldn't have happened."

Although I have heard several rumours that Bin Laden had something to do with the botched Somalia raid, he was not a target of the raid. It was several of Aidid's lieutenants the Rangers and Delta Force were after. Bush Sr, although he authorized the sending of troops to Somalia in the fall of 1992, Clinton had been president for almost ten months at the time of the raid
 

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obl at the time wasnt really on the radar screen as of yet they went into somalia with out a true mission and also somewhat dependent on the un. which I think you will never see again.

I still say with a degree from yale and one from harvard business school he cant be to dumb he just butchers the language.

This much I do know I echo what lucky dog haas to say but the addition that bush 43 lied about everything concerning Iraq well we now know that he didnt every intelligence agency in the world had it wrong even the Israelis(must have been in the water the intell guys were drinking) Every guy that has come out and said 43 lied has been refuted by ab independent commission.

However this is a fact John Kerry has no ethics, he is a complete and total liar who will do anything to get elected, promise anything to any group for the big prize. Now that does scare hell out of me because the people advising him are the same people that were under clinton. Plus i am not so charitable when it comes to clinton, he didnt keep his eyes on the ball, well the right set of balls and that is that, and I beleave that it led up to 9/11.

We also shouldnt forget that our anger should be focued on the people that did it and not each other.
 

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In 1992-1993 there were 2 cold blooded murders of unarmed Somalis by the occupying military.
It is reported that the colonel offered a case of champagne as a prize for the first dead Somali.
The troops referred to Somalis by racial epithets and joked about hunting them as trophies. They hung Nazi and U.S. Confederate flags in their barracks.
In March, 1993, soldiers shot down two unarmed, fleeing Somalis. Wounded and struggling, both were shot again from behind; one, Ahmed Afraraho Aruush, died.

Two weeks later, a hungry teenager named Shidane Arone entered the Belet Huen aid camp, hoping to be fed. Instead, he was grabbed, beaten all night, and tortured to death by drunken soldiers.

After the regiment came back, nine of its members were tried in military court for crimes related to the murder of Arone. A private was convicted of torture and manslaughter, but Lieutenant-Colonel Mathieu was acquitted, and Major Anthony Seward, who ordered troops to abuse prisoners, got off with a reprimand.

These were Canadian Soldiers stationed in Somalia on a “peace keeping” mission.
If you're interested in the Airborne's mission to Somalia read the books by Peter Worthington and Scott Taylor. There was a lot more going on than we heard on the news. If you're interested in the state of the Canadian Military, any of Scott Taylor's or David Bercuson's books are must reads. Scott Taylor's magazine Esprit de Corps is universally hated by the higher ups in the military, and must reading for the troops.
 

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a few thoughts

First of all, let me freely admit that I hate George W. Bush and all in his administration outside of Colin Powell.
Secondly, Saddam Hussein gave an 11,000 page accounting of his weapons programs which the American administration obviously didn't read, because they denounced it as lies within minutes of receiving it.
UN inspectors begged for a few more months to use that accounting to continue their search for WMDs but were told to get out of Iraq or get bombed with the rest of the country by the US administration.
It has not been four months since the war 'ended'. It has been fifteen.
The Berlin airlift didn't happen weeks after WWII ended, but years.
The US owes its position as the 'world's only superpower' on the fact that it accumulated great wealth during WWII while fighting for freedom was left to every other leading country in the world.
To now label most of those countries as disloyal and cowardly in sickening in itself.
Ronald Reagan won the Cold War? Get real. He happened to be President when the USSR imploded.
Isolationism on the part of the US would be economic suicide. It has lead the world on its current path of globalisation and is most dependent on it.
George W. Bush may have degrees from Harvard and Yale, but he never gained entrance on his own merits and has publicly boasted about being a C student.
When did it become shameful to be lumped in a group with Belgium? They are wonderful people with perhaps the most enlightened, free thinking societies in the world. They gave us Asterix comics, Frisk, and continue to give us the best beer in the world. I would be proud to be compared to Belgium any day.
There is NEVER, EVER an excuse for poor spelling amongst educated men.
that is all for now.
 

dbrw42

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Re: a few thoughts

BushPilot said:

Ronald Reagan won the Cold War? Get real. He happened to be President when the USSR imploded.
Actually, it was Reagan's military buildup in the 80's that was the straw that broke the USSR's back. They economically imploded trying to match that buildup.

However, I've heard a rumour that just before the end, there was a high level meeting in the Kremlin where options were discussed to prevent the implosion. One that was seriously discussed was a surprise attack on the West, a last all out war to crush the Soviet Union's enemies. Fortunately, the politburo decided to instead rob their country blind.

Makes you wonder what would have happened with a few more true believers around that Day.
 

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bushpilot,

yes, you are right, the Berlin Airlift did not take place 'weeks' after WWll but years ... it was, however, conducted by American, British and French pilots who may have bombed the same city during the war and now made an heroic effort to save it.
 

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dittman said:
quinlan, how would you know about fox news your govt has banned it from broadcasting in canada, I guess their trying to protect your fragile minds.
From the mindless channel-flipping I end up doing in motel rooms during frequent business trips in the US. Watching Bill O'Reilly foam at the mouth has a perverse fascination. I see no reason not to allow them on Canadian Cable---the main reason it hasn't been so far is that our own right-wing wingnuts running CanWest Global had a proposal to franchise their own version that didn't pan out. We have our own censorship from CanWest -- did you know that criticism of Israel's policies are not allowed in their papers or TV stations?

I would rather have the opportunity to see Al-Jazeera, though.
 

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dittman quote: I still say with a degree from yale and one from harvard business school he cant be to dumb he just butchers the language.
Bush is a dumbass, a moron. Yale and Harvard degrees – LOL

Even if you separate the man from the Republican party policies, what does it say about the process and the American public lemmings who selected him, who elected him? The Republican party has many superbly qualified talking heads, yet they picked a guy who has trouble stringing 2 sentences together.

KARL ROVE, Bush's long-time political guru and White House advisor:

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...
...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
 

bigdman

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dittman said:
.... About the Japanese thing sure do, its actually in the history books, because the japenese worshipped their emporer as a god mccarthy though it was wise to just haave him as a figure head and then the populace would be more complent, worked didnt it.

You really should get a larger vocabulary, makes you sound kind of silly.
dittman


now you really made yourself look silly, didn't you. The emporer was left alone by the US-led coalition force was because Japanese government were willing to exchange the top secret "bio-chemical" experimental results (by killing many Chinese POW) with the American in exchange for their emporer's freedom. THat was a shameful act to your country.

Did you know that your government also used chemical weapons in the VN war??

JUst feel like calling you name, but, its like calling Bush a "moron" makes no difference
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

bigdman

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Re: Re: a few thoughts

dbrw42 said:
Actually, it was Reagan's military buildup in the 80's that was the straw that broke the USSR's back. They economically imploded trying to match that buildup.

However, I've heard a rumour that just before the end, there was a high level meeting in the Kremlin where options were discussed to prevent the implosion. One that was seriously discussed was a surprise attack on the West, a last all out war to crush the Soviet Union's enemies. Fortunately, the politburo decided to instead rob their country blind.

Makes you wonder what would have happened with a few more true believers around that Day.

my friend,
talk about the nuclear age..., we don't talk about building up military no more. All it takes is just a few nuclear missiles, than US is done or SOviet is done. Therefore, it had nothing to do with economical implode at all. It just happened to appear that Soviet was in an economic difficult state. As for weapons, Soviet was way far more advanced than US...
 

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Wow, gone for a few days and then get to read this thread.

Before I offer my .02, I'll preface by saying that I am former US Navy, have both undergraduate and graduate degrees, and had been a resident of Canada (four years), but now choose to live in the United States (I am too much of a wimp to handle the winters.) You can judge my comments accordingly.

I for one would not like to hear the speech that is the opening subject of this thread. I feel that the United States has a "reconstruction" responsibility in Iraq, both with regards to infrastructure and government, and as responsible nation, the United States should not abandon Iraq. I am glad that Sadaam was removed from power - I feel the middle east will be better off in the long run - but that is just my opinion.

Politics - both parties have their issues, and the section of the "speech" in the opening post relating to ending foreign aide to countries not helping the US does stike a bit of a nerve. The US (both Republican and Democratic administrations) government has been far too fiscally irresponsible for too long. Flies in the face of my previous comment about being a responsible nation, but the US wastes too much money at home and abroad as a result of its politics. Neither party has a patent on frivolous spending, and should the US government ever get serious about fiscal responsibility it would be a rude awakening both in the US and abroad - should the handouts ever end.

There was at least one crack about US culture in this thread and a McDonalds on every corner and a Wal-Mart in every community. That is offensive, and is no more true than a generalization in Canada that there is a Tim Horton's on every corner and a Canadian Tire in every community. Don't crack another culture with sweeping generalizations - I didn't know a lot about Canada prior to moving there in 1999, I tried to have an open mind, but yes I was a little concerned that I was going to live in a nation of the "McKenzie brothers." Of course Canada is a nation of intellegent, polite, and fun people, and I look back fondly on my time in Canada and the friends I met while there. I also have some appreciation for Canadian culture and how it compares and contrasts with US culture. I was impressed that Canadian culture has as much of its own identity as it does despite the fact that Canada gets a lot of "crap" media from across the border. We are just two different countries with different forces at work along with different interests, and it should stay that way.

Finally, I am quite frightened by the prospect of John Kerry as President. As an American who has to hold a job, make a car payment, make a house payment, and balance my personal finances, I am not able to connect with someone who has lived the lifestyle of a billionaire for as long as he has. John Kerry just is not able to communicate or connect with me on any practical level. I am not 100% pleased with the Bush administration, and had the Democrats put forth a candidate that seems like a "real" person to me, I would probably vote that way. I honestly take comfort in Bush's decisiveness every time that I hear Kerry speak, and I am willing to put up with a few of Bush's "mistakes" or blunders.

Lastly, does anyone else find it funny that Canadians are as intersted in US politics and policy as they are ( I promise this is not a criticism, just an observation.) I don't know statistics about Americans finding Iraq on a map, but I would bet a paycheck that more Americans could find Iraq on a map than tell you who the prime minister of Canada is. I just find the relative difference in interest in each other politics interesting.

God bless Canada and America.
 

bigdman

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tiger said:
.......and I am willing to put up with a few of Bush's "mistakes" or blunders.

Lastly, does anyone else find it funny that Canadians are as intersted in US politics and policy as they are ( I promise this is not a criticism, just an observation.) I don't know statistics about Americans finding Iraq on a map, but I would bet a paycheck that more Americans could find Iraq on a map than tell you who the prime minister of Canada is. I just find the relative difference in interest in each other politics interesting.

God bless Canada and America.

tiger,

well said for most part of your post...I could agree with you more.
Bush's mistakes resulting in many consequences..., my friend, including loosing lives.......of hundreds or even thousands....(in the future). You were saying that Kerry is a billionaire..., how about Bush..., the same...and Dick and Bush are both taking advantage of the Iraq war for their personal and financial purposes.

You got that right, the last part, that more Americans could find Iraq map than telling you who Canadian Prime Minister is. Even the stupid CNN anchor, said that our stupid former PM Brian Mulroney as former British prime minister. What a joke...that was..
 

bigdman

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Catalynn said:
hmmm maybe Ben Mulroney and Ron Reagan should run for Prime Minister and President.... Ben could tell jokes and play "host" & Ron could dance around in his ballet tights or tighty whities to Bob Seger tunes....

Cat :p
good idea, should we also ask GW Bush, RUmsfeld and Dicky Cheney to be cheerleaders...........
 

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het bigdman have you been smoking that good home grown stuff up there. I havent read anything so idiotic since i was in grade school, if they wanted chemical info all they had to do was go to the germans they were so much more advanced in that field.

What you described about the 2 nuclear powers was called mutual assured destruction or mad for short and yes the reason why the cold war ended was because the big bad russian bear imploded they couldnt compete with the U.S

And what really piss the europeans and canadiens off is that they dont get to help elect our president they and you really dont think that we are equipped to do it ourselfs.

For as much as you profess to know us, you are like us, in that you dont know ourpyscic(sp)the little nuances of our political system nor do you know our history which would tell you alot about us. But so goes life and it will always be that way sorry to say to neighbors shouting at each other and not taking the time to get to know each other.
 

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P.S. clinton is describe as a genius by some people, but because he was more interested in getting a blow job from an ugly intern 3,000 people died. Hell he should have been impeached just because of his taste in women.
 
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