Wearing a mask is just common sense

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lenny

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The masks help protect me from someone who happens to sneeze or cough that might be infected. It's not 100%, nothing is. The people who think the mask protects only one way by wearing it are the ones who are delusional.
Yes, that's true. And many people are making home made masks:

"How to make an effective face mask at home"

"...The researchers used regular cotton t-shirts to make no-sew face masks. First, they boiled the cotton for ten minutes in order to sterilize it. Then, they cut the cotton to size and formed a mask using one outer layer and eight inner layers that covered the nose and mouth. The mask could be tied around the wearer's head, to get a snug fit without elastic. Testing showed that this mask "offered substantial protection."

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https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-make-an-effective-face-mask-at-home-2020-3
 

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Another video everyone should watch before continuing to talk about things they don't really understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJpt6Bse0j8&feature=share
I would never trust content posted from Youtube and social media. We know many do though. We have experts, medical experts who tout the benefits of the Keto diet and promote it for most everyone. Experts are human and it's almost impossible to be free from bias. Experts put their own spin on things...they're not infallible. The majority of people even those who are critical thinkers can be easily influenced and manipulated. It's quite sad, really.
 

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Unless you around someone coughing and sneezing, they aren't needed.
"...When people do venture out and interact, they’re likely to spew some saliva. “I don’t want to frighten you, but when people speak and breathe and sing—you don’t have to sneeze or cough—these droplets are coming out,” he says.

"... initial evidence suggests people without symptoms may also transmit the coronavirus without knowing they’re infected. Data from contact-tracing efforts—in which researchers monitor the health of people who recently interacted with someone confirmed to have an infection—suggest nearly half of SARS-CoV-2 transmissions occur before the infected person shows symptoms. And some seem to contract and clear the virus without ever feeling sick. “If I knew who was asymptomatic and presymptomatic [for COVID-19], I’d … triage the face masks to those individuals,” Monto says.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/would-everyone-wearing-face-masks-help-us-slow-pandemic


The droplets in the air if someone has been stupid enough to openly cough or sneeze without making any attempt to cover it, will dissipate in most locations where you aren't in close contact with others, but that's not the main way of transmission, anyway.

It has been reported the virus can remain airborne for hours. So when someone sneezes or coughs it into the air, it may be flying around for hours, onto people's lips, into people's mouths, on or in people's noses, around or on people's eyeballs, etc.

"Is coronavirus airborne like measles?"

"Airborne transmission is “plausible,” according to a study published in the print edition in the peer-reviewed The New England Journal of Medicine this week from scientists at Princeton University, UCLA and the National Institutes of Health. The researchers concluded that the virus could remain airborne for “up to 3 hours post aerosolization.”

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i...s-and-confirming-facts-of-covid-19-2020-03-12

"Tests indicate coronavirus can survive in the air"

"Federally funded tests conducted by scientists from several major institutions indicated that the novel form of coronavirus behind a worldwide outbreak can survive in the air for several hours.

A study awaiting peer review from scientists at Princeton University, the University of California-Los Angeles and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) posted online Wednesday indicated that the COVID-19 virus could remain viable in the air "up to 3 hours post aerosolization," while remaining alive on plastic and other surfaces for up to three days.

"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," reads the study's abstract.

The test results suggest that humans could be infected by the disease simply carried through the air or on a solid surface, even if direct contact with an infected person does not occur.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...GtkhWYr_G61muSS0RRLgNDVvtA&mod=article_inline


but that's not the main way of transmission, anyway. It's touching your face - eyes, nose mouth with hands that have touched a taiinted surface.
"The exact mode of transmission of COVID‑19 is unknown at present. However, a person with COVID‑19 is thought to be contagious from the day before their symptoms appear. Studies are ongoing. The information in the following two paragraphs concerns human coronaviruses."

"Coronaviruses usually infect the nose, throat and lungs. In most cases, they are spread by droplets from an infected person, when the person coughs or sneezes, for example. They can also be spread by infected hands. This means that you can contract a coronavirus by touching your mouth, nose or eyes after contact with an infected person or surface."

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/general-information-about-coronavirus/



As for scarves, balaclavas, etc I wonder how often they'd be cleaned.
I'd suggest after you're out buying groceries & returned, throw it in the laundry.

I'm sure a few layers of Saran wrap would work, too. At least until you suffocate.
Maybe it can be wrapped in a manner allowing sufficient continuous air supply? ;

You may have noticed how many people in China use face masks. It's where the CV-19 started, and the masks didn't stop the spread.
Is there any single safety measure that is 100% effective in stopping the spread? But without those in China - and Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc - wearing masks, it's reasonable to conclude the spread of COVID-19 would have been significantly worse. Those countries have been more successful in combating the virus than non mask wearing nations such as the USA & at least several in Europe.

Even health care workers using masks sometimes get infected,
Masks are not 100% safe & are not worn 24 hours a day. People can get infected after they take them off.

so rather than protect, it might give a false sense of securrity,
Not if one is informed. Should health care workers stop wearing them because they "might give a false sense of security"? No.

but hey, if you think it will do something for you, or you're forced into a crowded situation, go for it.
Just like wearing a condom, it's common sense that they make the wearer safer. Everyone should be wearing them.
 

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Where are you going where people are coughing and sneezing so openly n this day and age? Healthy people are told not to go out, so where are you that you think all these sick people are coughing and sneezing?

This is the recommendation from BCCDC - Wear*a mask if you are sick.*
Masks should be used by sick people to prevent transmission to other people. A mask will help keep a person's droplets in.*

It may be less effective to wear a mask in the community when a person is not sick themselves. Masks may give a person a false sense of security and are likely to increase the number of times a person will touch their own face (e.g., to adjust the mask).*Any mask, no matter how efficient at filtration or how good the seal, will have minimal effect if it is not used together with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand washing and physical distancing.
 

lenny

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Where are you going where people are coughing and sneezing so openly n this day and age?
Outdoors to buy groceries, which means walking through apartment building hallways & elevator use to get there, places where airborne COVID-19 virus can last for 3 hours, even without any "coughing (or) sneezing". As the OP stated:

"After all, it has been reported the virus can remain airborne for hours. So when someone sneezes or coughs it into the air, it may be flying around for hours, onto people's lips, into people's mouths, on or in people's noses, around or on people's eyeballs, etc."

Besides that there are all the various scenarios that may bring one into close contact with infected human beings, and where this is relevant:

"...When people do venture out and interact, they’re likely to spew some saliva. “I don’t want to frighten you, but when people speak and breathe and sing—you don’t have to sneeze or cough—these droplets are coming out,” he says.

"... initial evidence suggests people without symptoms may also transmit the coronavirus without knowing they’re infected. Data from contact-tracing efforts—in which researchers monitor the health of people who recently interacted with someone confirmed to have an infection—suggest nearly half of SARS-CoV-2 transmissions occur before the infected person shows symptoms. And some seem to contract and clear the virus without ever feeling sick. “If I knew who was asymptomatic and presymptomatic [for COVID-19], I’d … triage the face masks to those individuals,” Monto says.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/would-everyone-wearing-face-masks-help-us-slow-pandemic

For example, the other day a manager of a grocery store got his face up to within 2 feet of mine as he was speaking.

Healthy people are told not to go out, so where are you that you think all these sick people are coughing and sneezing?
Really? Then why are grocery stores still open? Don't people have to eat? Are you going to keep all your garbage in your home for weeks? Not check your mailbox?

This is the recommendation from BCCDC - Wear*a mask if you are sick.*
Masks should be used by sick people to prevent transmission to other people. A mask will help keep a person's droplets in.*

It may be less effective to wear a mask in the community when a person is not sick themselves. Masks may give a person a false sense of security and are likely to increase the number of times a person will touch their own face (e.g., to adjust the mask).*Any mask, no matter how efficient at filtration or how good the seal, will have minimal effect if it is not used together with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand washing and physical distancing.
The CDC statements that follow are in quotes & my response follows:

"Masks should be used by sick people to prevent transmission to other people. A mask will help keep a person's droplets in."

The problem is, without being tested & without a vaccine, how do you know if anyone is "sick", i.e. infected with COVID-19. Hence the need for - everyone (in general) - to use a mask.

"It may be less effective to wear a mask in the community when a person is not sick themselves."

It - "may" - be. Also notice in this statement CDC doesn't deny that it may be effective to do so.

"Masks may give a person a false sense of security..."

That's where education comes in.

"and are likely to increase the number of times a person will touch their own face (e.g., to adjust the mask)."

Just don't touch your eyes, nose or mouth. It's easy to do.

"Any mask, no matter how efficient at filtration or how good the seal, will have minimal effect if it is not used together with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand washing and physical distancing."

So the CDC admits masks can have an effect.

http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/about-covid-19/prevention
 

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Its routine use is not recommended by the CDC

"But some health experts, including the director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, think that’s a mistake. Health authorities in parts of Asia have encouraged all citizens to wear masks in public to prevent the spread of the virus, regardless of whether they have symptoms. And the Czech Republic took the uncommon step last week of making nose and mouth coverings mandatory in public spaces, prompting a grassroots drive to hand make masks."

"...When people do venture out and interact, they’re likely to spew some saliva. “I don’t want to frighten you, but when people speak and breathe and sing—you don’t have to sneeze or cough—these droplets are coming out,” he says.

"...Despite messages from some health officials to the contrary, it’s likely that a mask can help protect a healthy wearer from infection, says Benjamin Cowling, an epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong. Both surgical masks and the more protective N95 respirators have been shown to prevent various respiratory infections in health care workers;... “It doesn’t make sense to imagine that … surgical masks are really important for health care workers but then not useful at all for the general public,” Cowling says.

"... “I think the average person, if they were taught how to wear a mask properly … would have some protection against infection in the community.”

"... initial evidence suggests people without symptoms may also transmit the coronavirus without knowing they’re infected. Data from contact-tracing efforts—in which researchers monitor the health of people who recently interacted with someone confirmed to have an infection—suggest nearly half of SARS-CoV-2 transmissions occur before the infected person shows symptoms. And some seem to contract and clear the virus without ever feeling sick. “If I knew who was asymptomatic and presymptomatic [for COVID-19], I’d … triage the face masks to those individuals,” Monto says.

"...A key factor pushing health authorities to discourage mask wearing is the limited supply, says Elaine Shuo Feng, an epidemiologist and statistician at the University of Oxford."

[But home made & alternative masks would solve that problem & provide protection to society, reducing the number of infections, seriously ill & dead.]

"The shortage has inspired do-it-yourself movements in many countries to produce cloth masks—which CDC acknowledges can be a last resort for health care workers lacking other protection. Rigorous studies comparing cloth masks to surgical ones or investigating the ideal material for homemade masks are lacking.

Cheng expects masks to become more important in the United States and Europe once the peak of COVID-19 cases passes and social distancing restrictions loosen. “Just imagine you’re traveling in the New York [City] subway on a busy morning. If everyone wears a mask, I’m sure that it would reduce the transmission,” he says..."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/would-everyone-wearing-face-masks-help-us-slow-pandemic
 

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Because you not only look like a tool, are wasting a mask someone who needs it could use, and even N95 masks are not effective after your breath saturates it - in about 20 minutes, but they are best used by somebody who has a cough or sneezes, so it protects others.

Other, cloth masks and whatever you decide to strap over your nose are as good as useless.

Virtually no health authority says they do anything but give a false sense of security.
Now I know you always get mistaken for Brad Pitt hence why you wouldn't want to hide that mug :heh: So you just go right ahead and look all cool there casanova.
 

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I would never trust content posted from Youtube and social media. We know many do though. We have experts, medical experts who tout the benefits of the Keto diet and promote it for most everyone. Experts are human and it's almost impossible to be free from bias. Experts put their own spin on things...they're not infallible. The majority of people even those who are critical thinkers can be easily influenced and manipulated. It's quite sad, really.
Whatever. This video is from experts and from the viable source, and can teach you a lot of useful and accurate info. If you choose to ignore it, up to you.
Certainly more trustworthy than majority of ignorant, arrogant and inaccurate posts here.
 

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Is very common to see pictures of people wearing masks during the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918. Don’t know if they did any good or not. Estimates are that as many as 500 million people contracted it with estimated deaths ranging from 17 million to as high as 100 million worldwide.
 
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Whether or not there is value in a mask, I am wearing one when I go out.

Travelling back from the US 4 weeks ago, I developed a cold and pneumonia. I am over the pneumonia but still have the cold. And yes, I tested negative for Covid-19.

I wear the mask (the hospital gave them to me) simply to prevent my spreading the cold that I have. Why? Because people are so paranoid that I worry that if they get a cold, they will rush off to a doctor or a clinic thinking they have Covid-19. It is stressful for people and staff and at least I can contribute my meagre assistance. The mask only marginally protects me but at least I am trying not to screw up others.
 

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Masks are extremely effective. Look at the curves of all the Asian countries that use them: Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, S. Korea.
https://time.com/5802293/coronavirus-covid19-singapore-hong-kong-taiwan/

their flat curves aren't because of masks, it's because of their government responses from the outset

Japan, is a very hygienic group in general, they also don't have mass immigration, they're a very closed society, they don't give out citizenship to any idiot who crosses their border, lol

South Korea, aggressive testing campaign, screening

same with Singapore, Taiwan

Taiwan was on planes, as they landed, screening people, tracking them afterwards, actually following up on them, not just hoping they listen

Hong Kong, was early to the party too, they actually remembered Sars, they got hit hard back then, learned their lesson



While Trump was calling it a hoax, Trudeau was on a Tour of Africa schmoozing War Lords for their UN vote

those places were acting

our people were too busy calling people racists, denying it would come here and really affect us

they wear masks when they feel unwell in those countries on a regular basis

masks aren't the reason why they are in a better position

they just had adults who acted early
 

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There seems to be some research showing masks can help, and I believe as lenny said, "It can't hurt" IF people use them properly.

Stores are sanitizing everything, restricting access and providing certain hours for those more at risk, so in those circumstances, shopping for necessities shouldn't require a mask.

Aren’t viruses so small that they can pass through a face mask?

If Covid-19 was floating in the air, free of fluid, it would be around 100 nanometers in size. N95 respirators can only filter out 95% of particles sized 100–300 nanometers. Surgical masks offer even less protection. So the answer is yes — viruses can technically pass through both types of face masks.
While wearing a mask, you might end up touching your face more often and transferring the virus from your hands to your face. In order to avoid this, wash your hands both before and after adjusting or removing your face mask.

Used face masks need to be sterilized or disposed of properly.
 

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Now I know you always get mistaken for Brad Pitt hence why you wouldn't want to hide that mug :heh: So you just go right ahead and look all cool there casanova.
In my case a mask would definitely help my appearance.
 

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Masks DO help. It is common sense and it's ridiculous that they keep spreading the lie that they don't help. I just saw a long interview with one of the most senior Korean doctors and virus expert in Korea and he couldn't express enough how helpful masks are even if they're not 100% effective. He insisted one of the main reasons why they could control the spread of virus in Korea was due to the fact that most people there wore masks. He asked the interviewer a question that totally made sense, why do doctors who treat corona patients wear masks then if masks are totally useless like some are trying to convince us ? Why do they keep asking for masks for doctors and nurses ? Why are some nurses in different countries complaining about the lack of available masks for them ? He understood that they're trying to reserve masks for doctors but that's not people's fault that a country does not have enough masks and that it was wrong to tell people not to wear masks -because they're ineffective- so doctors and nurses have enough supplies. He even said what's even better than just a mask is wearing glasses too since the main way for the virus to infect was through droplets coming in contact with the mouth, nose and eyes.
But yeah, masks are "ineffective" for people but at the same time very important for doctors as a way for protecting themselves ! And we're talking about simple masks here and not face shields or the more expensive masks.
 

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I just saw a long interview with one of the most senior Korean doctors and virus expert in Korea and he couldn't express enough how helpful masks are even if they're not 100% effective. He asked the interviewer a question that totally made sense, why do doctors who treat corona patients wear masks then if masks are totally useless like some are trying to convince us ? Why do they keep asking for masks for doctors and nurses ? Why are some nurses in different countries complaining about the lack of available masks for them ?

But yeah, masks are "ineffective" for people but at the same time very important for doctors as a way for protecting themselves ! And we're talking about simple masks here and not face shields or the more expensive masks.
I can't believe any doctor, let alone a "senior" doctor would make such stupid points. Walking around on a street, is far, far away from a hospital environment, where they are treating people with serious illnesses on an ongoing, intimate basis, and possibly having to do invasive procedures. Those doctors and nurses also change their masks sometimes multiple times in short periods of time.

And doctors treating CV patients (and SARS and Ebola, etc) are using full face shields, as well as masks.
 

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I can't believe any doctor, let alone a "senior" doctor would make such stupid points. Walking around on a street, is far, far away from a hospital environment, where they are treating people with serious illnesses on an ongoing, intimate basis, and possibly having to do invasive procedures. Those doctors and nurses also change their masks sometimes multiple times in short periods of time.

And doctors treating CV patients (and SARS and Ebola, etc) are using full face shields, as well as masks.
Like walking around on a street is the only activity people have a concern about and not supermarkets, mass transit, and the other million place where people come in close contact with others.
No one is claiming masks are 100% foolproof.
 

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Like walking around on a street is the only activity people have a concern about and not supermarkets, mass transit, and the other million place where people come in close contact with others.
No one is claiming masks are 100% foolproof.
As the King used to say, only two things in life are foolproof. Hookers and Coupe de Villes
 
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