Way to go Trudeau.....Canada's asshat of a Prime Mininister in action

[storm rider]

MANILA, Philippines — Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said he was angered and insulted on Tuesday by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's comments about the Philippine government's war on drugs, which has earned widespread condemnation for leaving thousands of suspects dead.

Trudeau said he raised concerns about human rights abuses and extrajudicial killings in Duterte's anti-drug campaign when he met Tuesday with the president ahead of Canada's summit in the Philippines with the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Trudeau was the first leader of the 20 attending this week's ASEAN summit and related meetings who has publicly said he brought up the touchy issue with the volatile Filipino leader.

"I also mentioned human rights, the rule of law and specifically extrajudicial killings as being an issue that Canada is concerned with," Trudeau said at a news conference. "I impressed on him the need for respect for the rule of law, and as always offered Canada's support and help as a friend to move forward on what is a real challenge."

He said Duterte was receptive to his comments and their exchange was cordial and positive.

But Duterte later told reporters that he had refused to provide an explanation for the killings.



"I said I will not explain. It is a personal and official insult," Duterte said. "It angers me when you are a foreigner, you do not know what exactly is happening in this country. You don't even investigate."

Duterte is highly sensitive to such criticism, and in the past called then U.S. President Barack Obama a "son of a bitch" after the State Department publicly expressed concern over the Philippine anti-drug campaign.

U.S. President Donald Trump, who also attended this week's ASEAN summit, did not publicly take Duterte to task for the drug crackdown. Instead, Trump said he and Duterte "had a great relationship," and avoided questions about whether he raised human rights concerns in a meeting with the Philippine leader.

The White House later said they discussed the Islamic State group, illegal drugs and trade during the 40-minute meeting. Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said human rights came up "briefly" in the context of the Philippines' fight against illegal drugs. She did not say if Trump was critical of Duterte's program.

Harry Roque, Duterte's spokesman, said there was no mention of human rights or extralegal killings during the meeting with Trump, but there was a lengthy discussion of the Philippines' war on drugs, with Duterte doing most of the explaining.

The two sides later issued a statement saying they "underscored that human rights and the dignity of human life are essential, and agreed to continue mainstreaming the human rights agenda in their national programs."

Such a fucking pathetic joke.Attend a foreign trade conference and insult the leader of the country due to complete IGNORANCE of the ill's of society that the country is dealing with.Trudeau actually did this and at the same time his Government fucks over veterans and want to fuck over the middle class(and those wishing to join it)....I would love to see Trudeau walk through downtown Manilla at night without his security detail.....he would have a pack of knife wielding thieves on him in less than a minute.

This is what Canada as a Country gets labelled with when Trudeau goes off the "SCRIPT" written for him to read.......sadly though a lot of Canadians buy his BS when he reads the "SCRIPT".....truly makes me sad that so many Canadians chose "style" over "substance" the last election.

SR

 

[Lo-ki]

Such a fucking pathetic joke.Attend a foreign trade conference and insult the leader of the country due to complete IGNORANCE of the ill's of society that the country is dealing with.Trudeau actually did this and at the same time his Government fucks over veterans and want to fuck over the middle class(and those wishing to join it)....I would love to see Trudeau walk through downtown Manilla at night without his security detail.....he would have a pack of knife wielding thieves on him in less than a minute.



SR

BRAVO------:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

When Trudeau speaks I hear :lalala::lalala::lalala:

 

[wanderlust32]

......chill bro

 

[badbadboy]

MANILA, Philippines — Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said he was angered and insulted on Tuesday by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's comments about the Philippine government's war on drugs, which has earned widespread condemnation for leaving thousands of suspects dead.

Trudeau said he raised concerns about human rights abuses and extrajudicial killings in Duterte's anti-drug campaign when he met Tuesday with the president ahead of Canada's summit in the Philippines with the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Trudeau was the first leader of the 20 attending this week's ASEAN summit and related meetings who has publicly said he brought up the touchy issue with the volatile Filipino leader.

"I also mentioned human rights, the rule of law and specifically extrajudicial killings as being an issue that Canada is concerned with," Trudeau said at a news conference. "I impressed on him the need for respect for the rule of law, and as always offered Canada's support and help as a friend to move forward on what is a real challenge."

He said Duterte was receptive to his comments and their exchange was cordial and positive.

But Duterte later told reporters that he had refused to provide an explanation for the killings.



"I said I will not explain. It is a personal and official insult," Duterte said. "It angers me when you are a foreigner, you do not know what exactly is happening in this country. You don't even investigate."

Duterte is highly sensitive to such criticism, and in the past called then U.S. President Barack Obama a "son of a bitch" after the State Department publicly expressed concern over the Philippine anti-drug campaign.

U.S. President Donald Trump, who also attended this week's ASEAN summit, did not publicly take Duterte to task for the drug crackdown. Instead, Trump said he and Duterte "had a great relationship," and avoided questions about whether he raised human rights concerns in a meeting with the Philippine leader.

The White House later said they discussed the Islamic State group, illegal drugs and trade during the 40-minute meeting. Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said human rights came up "briefly" in the context of the Philippines' fight against illegal drugs. She did not say if Trump was critical of Duterte's program.

Harry Roque, Duterte's spokesman, said there was no mention of human rights or extralegal killings during the meeting with Trump, but there was a lengthy discussion of the Philippines' war on drugs, with Duterte doing most of the explaining.

The two sides later issued a statement saying they "underscored that human rights and the dignity of human life are essential, and agreed to continue mainstreaming the human rights agenda in their national programs."

Such a fucking pathetic joke.Attend a foreign trade conference and insult the leader of the country due to complete IGNORANCE of the ill's of society that the country is dealing with.Trudeau actually did this and at the same time his Government fucks over veterans and want to fuck over the middle class(and those wishing to join it)....I would love to see Trudeau walk through downtown Manilla at night without his security detail.....he would have a pack of knife wielding thieves on him in less than a minute.

This is what Canada as a Country gets labelled with when Trudeau goes off the "SCRIPT" written for him to read.......sadly though a lot of Canadians buy his BS when he reads the "SCRIPT".....truly makes me sad that so many Canadians chose "style" over "substance" the last election.

SR

It might be a good idea to do some reading and research before you go off on your rants about the PM the LPC. Not everything he says is wrong.

There have been reported assassinations by Police on suspected low level drug dealers in the Philipines to 'clean up the problem'.

https://news.vice.com/story/duterte-brags-about-beautiful-drug-war-after-deadliest-day-yet


Also if the orange haired Dorito doesn't see anything wrong with it; best question everything.

 

[storm rider]

It might be a good idea to do some reading and research before you go off on your rants about the PM the LPC. Not everything he says is wrong.

There have been reported assassinations by Police on suspected low level drug dealers in the Philipines to 'clean up the problem'.

https://news.vice.com/story/duterte-brags-about-beautiful-drug-war-after-deadliest-day-yet


Also if the orange haired Dorito doesn't see anything wrong with it; best question everything.

Cherry pick all you want to justify your mindset.When it comes down to Brass Tacks the crime in the Phillipines is outright fucking crazy.My accountant is married to a Filipino gal and he has a condo there which he uses after the tax season is done and he does NOT walk anywhere after dark.When it comes down to it if you are a "white guy" walking around in say Manilla people would SLIT your throat if they thought they could get $10 in US cash out of you.

Here in Western Society the Federal and Provincial Governments are SPEWING tax payer MONEY to PROVIDE "safe sites" for junkies to get high....oh that "Fenatyl crisis" is just so BAD.....yeah in my mind it is a Darwin Award for everyone of those POS idiots who would use it and in so snuffing it cost the tax payers less money for signifigant things such as roads/health care etc.

So are you "PRO" for the druggies that would slit your throat for enough money to get high when you walk the streets or are you a bleeding heart Socialist that wants to spend tax payer money making the problem worse whilst being insulatated and removed from that NASTY cancer of SOCIETY.Hey lets ask Gregor Robertson the current Mayor of Vancouver if he would like to take a walk on the downtown eastside of Vancouver......between the old Greyhound station and say the 4600 block of east Hastings.He is the ultimate Socialist who wants more bike lanes and whose current legislation = no natural gas for ANYTHING in downtown Vancouver....of course he is OK with shoot up clinics for junkies that use illegal drugs....Do you see my line of thought here or am I being obtuse?

Getting back to the topic of the thread I launched.....all I can say is Canada is truly FUCKED with Trudeau at the tiller.....his friends of course are not....nope they get GOLDEN parachutes.

SR

 

[Riza]

Without going into detail law and order in Philippines depends on how much money you have. If someone is giving you a hard time the easiest thing to do is to pay a cop to make it go away. For 10,000 php he ends up in a hospital. For 20,000 php you might find body parts or probably never see them again. 20k php converts into $500 cad.

Get caught selling a bag of weed and if you are lucky your are just dead these days. Self defense is the normal reason for the killings, armed or not.

If you are poor and something goes sideways you are F'd. Rich and you run someone over, no problem, pay the cop and its the pedestrians fault. Shoot someone for fun, same thing goes, just will cost you more. Self defense. You don't know corruption until you live there.

I remember once having our house broken into while at home, being tied up on the floor with a couple guys with guns and being pistol whipped. Luckily got out of it alive but being of modest income nothing can be done about it. The thief's pay off the local LE.

Crime corruption and drugs were rampant in Phil. Action was needed. Duterte did some things that were needed but there is a time when it must stop. Phil is moving from a democracy to a dictatorship, returning to the Marco days.

There is a time for brutality and enforcement as some of our members know (having served) but there is also a time for compassion and to rebuild all the fallen bridges.

Just my take on it since I lived there for 20 yrs. and visit yearly.

And this is not a agreement or disagreement to our PM's comments, just my insight into what is happening in the Philippines

 

[badbadboy]

Cherry pick all you want to justify your mindset.When it comes down to Brass Tacks the crime in the Phillipines is outright fucking crazy.My accountant is married to a Filipino gal and he has a condo there which he uses after the tax season is done and he does NOT walk anywhere after dark.When it comes down to it if you are a "white guy" walking around in say Manilla people would SLIT your throat if they thought they could get $10 in US cash out of you.

Here in Western Society the Federal and Provincial Governments are SPEWING tax payer MONEY to PROVIDE "safe sites" for junkies to get high....oh that "Fenatyl crisis" is just so BAD.....yeah in my mind it is a Darwin Award for everyone of those POS idiots who would use it and in so snuffing it cost the tax payers less money for signifigant things such as roads/health care etc.

So are you "PRO" for the druggies that would slit your throat for enough money to get high when you walk the streets or are you a bleeding heart Socialist that wants to spend tax payer money making the problem worse whilst being insulatated and removed from that NASTY cancer of SOCIETY.Hey lets ask Gregor Robertson the current Mayor of Vancouver if he would like to take a walk on the downtown eastside of Vancouver......between the old Greyhound station and say the 4600 block of east Hastings.He is the ultimate Socialist who wants more bike lanes and whose current legislation = no natural gas for ANYTHING in downtown Vancouver....of course he is OK with shoot up clinics for junkies that use illegal drugs....Do you see my line of thought here or am I being obtuse?

Getting back to the topic of the thread I launched.....all I can say is Canada is truly FUCKED with Trudeau at the tiller.....his friends of course are not....nope they get GOLDEN parachutes.

SR

Not obtuse but most definitely incoherent.

 

[sybian]

There is a time for brutality and enforcement as some of our members know (having served) but there is also a time for compassion and to rebuild all the fallen bridges.

Most Canadians can't understand ,when thrust into another country in conflict, how cheap lives are.
Brutality is a form of coercive control of a group of people, under conflict with each other.....or a foreign enemy, and is used as a tactic to find an end to a problem in the most efficient way possible.
When that conflict is over....it is those brutal individuals who performed those very tactics ,that become the root of another problem, created by the controlling politics.
They have no concept of a life, or politics without brutality......it becomes a bridge they can never hope to rebuild.
There is then, always an upheaval of citizens fleeing that area, trying to find a better place for their families...And soon all that is left are the people who controlled......and they consume each other,... as it is in their very nature.

 

[summerbreeze]

I am not necessarily a fan of Trudeau but something to keep in mind with these countries.

When they have civil unrest we send troops as part of a UN initiative, when they have disasters we send them aid, aid workers.

I think in view of that we have earned a right to criticize something the international community considers unjust. A good leader good politician on the developing nation side would take it in stride, agree they have certain difficulties and a ways to go. Then ask for help, i.e. more money. (then our leader would have to put his or our money where his mouth is and cough up, very stupid)

A leader that reacts negatively and is offended would have passed up a chance for some foreign aid and is probably sensitive because the charges are true and they are trying to cover it up.

 

[westwoody]

Duterte bragged in a speech about getting on his motorcycle, riding to a slum, and shooting people.
He was giving a speech to police officers. He encouraged them to do the same thing, his exact words were "If I can do it you can do it".

It is hard to imagine a poster is so socially crippled that they think murdering people in the streets is a good thing.
It is hard to imagine someone so fucked up that they think criticising murder is a bad thing.

 

[overdone]

Duterte bragged in a speech about getting on his motorcycle, riding to a slum, and shooting people.
He was giving a speech to police officers. He encouraged them to do the same thing, his exact words were "If I can do it you can do it".

It is hard to imagine a poster is so socially crippled that they think murdering people in the streets is a good thing.
It is hard to imagine someone so fucked up that they think criticising murder is a bad thing.

then why is he there?

why would you try to trade with a country where they don't have a lawful society?
like it's going to be any different when it comes to their economy? no corruption there

why is comrade Zoolander trying so hard to suck China's cock?

they don't respect international norms when it comes to trade/law, no corruption there either right? lol

sorry but when someone will do business with anyone, you have no character

pretty much sums up Jr

too bad he's representing Canada

 

[westwoody]

Overdone do you simply look the other way when people are being shot in the streets by their own police?

You are okay with murdering hundreds of people?
Well let's start shooting everyone who drinks alcohol. It's a drug. Anyone who does drugs deserves to be shot.
We could shoot everyone on social assistance too. Lower my tax bill.
Those assholes with noisy diesel trucks, let's shoot them, save everyone from their annoying racket.

Have you bought anything made in China lately?
Are you supporting China?

 

[uncleg]

Most Canadians can't understand ,when thrust into another country in conflict, how cheap lives are.
Brutality is a form of coercive control of a group of people, under conflict with each other.....or a foreign enemy, and is used as a tactic to find an end to a problem in the most efficient way possible.
When that conflict is over....it is those brutal individuals who performed those very tactics ,that become the root of another problem, created by the controlling politics.
They have no concept of a life, or politics without brutality......it becomes a bridge they can never hope to rebuild.
There is then, always an upheaval of citizens fleeing that area, trying to find a better place for their families...And soon all that is left are the people who controlled......and they consume each other,... as it is in their very nature.

The country doesn't always have to be in conflict for lives to be held as cheap...... Tribalism is still very much a reality in many parts of the world and if you don't belong to the right tribe your life is worthless...... Some of the most brutal people I've met have also been some of the most hospitable and surprisingly, kindest I've met....go figure.

 

[sybian]

The country doesn't always have to be in conflict for lives to be held as cheap...... Tribalism is still very much a reality in many parts of the world and if you don't belong to the right tribe your life is worthless...... Some of the most brutal people I've met have also been some of the most hospitable and surprisingly, kindest I've met....go figure.

I would have to agree with you there....as long as you can avoid being viewed as an outsider, and you don't end up chained to a couple of running trucks going in opposite directions of each other....your good!

 

[badbadboy]

So what if we changed "drug dealer" to "pooner"? After all, both are breaking the law & to a substantial portion of the population, nasty. So what if we had a war on pooners?. The basic pillar of a civilized nation is to have a legal system where people get charged & convicted. If you want to play judge, jury and executioneer, well at some point you're next

I called out SR about this when his Demi God Harper brought in C-36.

*crickets*

 

[sybian]

Canada is and should be an example for others to follow. While I think Trudeau is an over-hyped, borderline idiotic mouthpiece, I do think we need to tell countries where they have abandoned human rights and the law that what they are doing isn't acceptable. The Putins, Duertes and other dictators of the world should be opposed by countries of good conscience. You know Trump won't do it, so it's good for Canada to stand up.

There's plenty of ammo to shoot at Justin Haircut, but on this one, my feeling is keep your powder dry. More concerning for me is the repeal of the labour laws meant to hold unions accountable, a terrible decision from the Libs, along with the mountain of broken campaign promises and money just pissed down the drain without anything in the way of economic benefit to the country to show for it.

The term " keep your powder dry" in my neck of the woods means " be careful"
not everyone here speaks backwoods Baptist.

 

[FreeG]

Cherry pick all you want to justify your mindset.When it comes down to Brass Tacks the crime in the Phillipines is outright fucking crazy.My accountant is married to a Filipino gal and he has a condo there which he uses after the tax season is done and he does NOT walk anywhere after dark.When it comes down to it if you are a "white guy" walking around in say Manilla people would SLIT your throat if they thought they could get $10 in US cash out of you.

Here in Western Society the Federal and Provincial Governments are SPEWING tax payer MONEY to PROVIDE "safe sites" for junkies to get high....oh that "Fenatyl crisis" is just so BAD.....yeah in my mind it is a Darwin Award for everyone of those POS idiots who would use it and in so snuffing it cost the tax payers less money for signifigant things such as roads/health care etc.

So are you "PRO" for the druggies that would slit your throat for enough money to get high when you walk the streets or are you a bleeding heart Socialist that wants to spend tax payer money making the problem worse whilst being insulatated and removed from that NASTY cancer of SOCIETY.Hey lets ask Gregor Robertson the current Mayor of Vancouver if he would like to take a walk on the downtown eastside of Vancouver......between the old Greyhound station and say the 4600 block of east Hastings.He is the ultimate Socialist who wants more bike lanes and whose current legislation = no natural gas for ANYTHING in downtown Vancouver....of course he is OK with shoot up clinics for junkies that use illegal drugs....Do you see my line of thought here or am I being obtuse?

Getting back to the topic of the thread I launched.....all I can say is Canada is truly FUCKED with Trudeau at the tiller.....his friends of course are not....nope they get GOLDEN parachutes.

SR

The problem with that train of thought is: NOT doing something about the drug problem doesn't work either and arguably costs society even MORE. Unless you're going to expend $0.00 public funds on ANY overdosing person, then each OD costs society money - emergency svc's, coroner, police, lost time of relatives to help (if they haven't given up yet) which strains their employers/co-workers, etc.

Look at a place where they don't have safe sites or ignore the problem - crime is worse (as you've pointed out in Philippines in the past), drug problems still exist. Look at a place where they take a hard-line aggressive approach - after years of Duterte's tactics, is crime at ZERO in the Philippines? Doesn't sound like it.

I don't know if safe sites are the answer, but at least it gets users into the door and potentially exposes them to people who can help their addictions. It provides data to who/how much is going on (so people can see if anti-drug efforts are helping or not). It reduces ODs so emergency workers and police can deal less with those and more with other emergencies (like a friend in a car accident, or a relative suffering a heart attack, or an asshat texting while driving, etc).

Strong-men like Duterte sound great on paper and make big claims on progress but inevitably they TEND to mask greater issues underneath (because everyone is too afraid to dig deeper into details). Shakespeare was no fool: power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I will not be surprised if corruption and govt decay in the Philippines is as bad or worse than ever before.

 

[storm rider]

I called out SR about this when his Demi God Harper brought in C-36.

*crickets*

So was that the "crackdown on prostitution law"?.......yeah like the VPD/CPS and the RCMP ACTUALLY do that on a constant basis.....fuck sakes if a serial killer like Pickton slipped through the investigative facts for 15+ years you know damn well that the VPD are going to go after guys wanting to buy sex both on the street and more likely via the internet.That is something the LE does not want and does not want to enforce.

The problem with that train of thought is: NOT doing something about the drug problem doesn't work either and arguably costs society even MORE. Unless you're going to expend $0.00 public funds on ANY overdosing person, then each OD costs society money - emergency svc's, coroner, police, lost time of relatives to help (if they haven't given up yet) which strains their employers/co-workers, etc.

Look at a place where they don't have safe sites or ignore the problem - crime is worse (as you've pointed out in Philippines in the past), drug problems still exist. Look at a place where they take a hard-line aggressive approach - after years of Duterte's tactics, is crime at ZERO in the Philippines? Doesn't sound like it.

I don't know if safe sites are the answer, but at least it gets users into the door and potentially exposes them to people who can help their addictions. It provides data to who/how much is going on (so people can see if anti-drug efforts are helping or not). It reduces ODs so emergency workers and police can deal less with those and more with other emergencies (like a friend in a car accident, or a relative suffering a heart attack, or an asshat texting while driving, etc).

Strong-men like Duterte sound great on paper and make big claims on progress but inevitably they TEND to mask greater issues underneath (because everyone is too afraid to dig deeper into details). Shakespeare was no fool: power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I will not be surprised if corruption and govt decay in the Philippines is as bad or worse than ever before.

For your last sentence I heard it something different....Money Builds Power and Power Builds Corruption.....and this was yapped to me by a nutbar Socialist....and she was my step-mother.....and a total nutbar I will say.

I have dealt with drugs and have used them.....got bored and quit 10 years ago...a friend of my brother got stuck in deep in so much that he had to smoke a 1/4 ounce of ganja to get sufficiently HIGH....he then switched to coke and then heroin and he overdosed.\i have no sympathy for him......same as I have no sympathy for junkies on the DT eastside that would kill a person for $10 so they can get high and the idea of "legal" injection sites just promotes the practice of using harmfull drugs that will KILL the user.

SR