Way to go Ralphie boy!

[dirtydan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c_Q597_hKw

Was his Stronach joke sexist? It's obvious as hell that it was.

Was his Stronach joke funny? Same answer as above.

Should have Klein told the joke in a public forum? Ralph is Ralph and that's never going to change.

Should Klein be shocked at the criticism he's drawn from others about the joke? No, it's not like Klein hasn't said anything controversial before that's created a lot of criticism.

 

[gravitas]

Was his Stronach joke sexist?

Of course it was. But it was in the context of a roast which by definition has a different standard then the House of Parliament or the Alberta Legislature. His comments clearly lacked the decorum fitting a speech for mass public consumption and in isolation the Stronach joke was extremely sexist. However, as part of the entire evenings events it fit in quite well.

What pissed me off more than anything was the bullshit sentiment from Stronach, et. al who were trying to use Klein's remarks as an excuse why more women weren't in politics. Give me a fucking break. If something like this were to detract a woman, or man for that matter, from entering politics then their skin wasn't nearly thick enough to begin with. Its a no holds barred blood sport regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation so Belinda should simply shut the fuck up and stick to doing her job.

Was his Stronach joke funny?

It was both extremely funny and extremely fitting. Stronach has been shown to use her twat as a tool for political and personal gain and that makes it fair game to be commented on. If she was virginal pure, didn't have a history of jumping from one bed to another then Klein would have been offside. If she can't take the joke then keep her legs shut.

Should have Klein told the joke in a public forum? Ralph is Ralph and that's never going to change.

As stated above I don't believe a roast is a fully public event and when the content is shared to a wider audience then it has to be taken in context. As for Ralph changing, why should he? He's taken more then his share of shots, many of which were deserved and some not so much, but he's always taken them as they were meant. He didn't start to sulk and pout like this bitch.

Should Klein be shocked at the criticism he's drawn from others about the joke? No, it's not like Klein hasn't said anything controversial before that's created a lot of criticism.

Watching his reply I don't think he's shocked at all.

 

[Bartdude]

I'd like to know where it's been proven that Stronach "jumps from one bed to another". Peter MacKay and Tie Domi make TWO, last time I counted.

And what does it matter anyway? Peter was a willing, single man, Domi was a willing man separated from his wife. Would we criticize a male MP for having a similar dating history?

 

[expedition]

I don't know if Ralph should be praised for his joke or not, and coming from a man that jumped from one party to another he should perhaps be more understanding...

However, it sure as hell is better than his usual hobbies of insulting disabled people, throwing books and hitting innocent pages in the legislature and showing up in shelters drunk in the middle of the night to verbally abuse homeless people.

 

[dirtydan]

I'd like to know where it's been proven that Stronach "jumps from one bed to another". Peter MacKay and Tie Domi make TWO, last time I counted.

And what does it matter anyway? Peter was a willing, single man, Domi was a willing man separated from his wife. Would we criticize a male MP for having a similar dating history?

Let us look back in history to January 1961 and a President-elect writing his inugaration speech

Jackie: Jack what have you written so far?

Jack: Well my dear, I have written something that will be remembered for a long, long time.

Jackie: That's great dear, what is it?

Jack: Ok, here does, ahem, ahem, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what Marilyn Monore can do for your president.

Jackie: Come here Jack.

Jack: Yyyyes my sweet.

Jackie: FUCK YOU!

Jack: OOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!! (as Mrs. Kennedy twists his prick)

 

[gravitas]

I'd like to know where it's been proven that Stronach "jumps from one bed to another"

Tie Domi, Jerome Dupont, Johann Koss, Peter MacKay, Don Walker.....add to the list potentials like Bill Clinton, Mark Entwistle, Mike Harris

And what does it matter anyway?

I'm not criticizing Stronach for being a slut, I'm criticizing her and her supporters for trying to play both sides of the fence. She has an active social life and likes powerful men, good for her! But then don't flip things around and act all hurt and cry crocodile tears when someone calls you out.

 

[Bartdude]

Tie Domi, Jerome Dupont, Johann Koss, Peter MacKay, Don Walker.....add to the list potentials like Bill Clinton, Mark Entwistle, Mike Harris

So two of those she was married to....hardly "bed hopping"...so that leaves Domi, MacKay, and Dupont....three guys - whoopee

I'm not criticizing Stronach for being a slut, I'm criticizing her and her supporters for trying to play both sides of the fence. She has an active social life and likes powerful men, good for her! But then don't flip things around and act all hurt and cry crocodile tears when someone calls you out.

Seems to me all she's asking for is that the playing field of public (and Parliamentary) opinion is even. Your response and overall attitude are proof that it's not.

 

[Arty10]

I don't know if Ralph should be praised for his joke or not, and coming from a man that jumped from one party to another he should perhaps be more understanding...

??????????? Not sure where your getting this from but Ralph has never been a member of another party except the Alberta PC Party.

 

[dirtydan]

??????????? Not sure where your getting this from but Ralph has never been a member of another party except the Alberta PC Party.

Actually Klein started out as a


LIBERAL!

 

[Olmac]

Actually Klein started out as a


LIBERAL!

Klein never ran as a liberal....but he was a card carrying liberal before he entered party politics. As mayor of Calgary, he was definately liberal.

I am just glad he saw the light.

 

[gravitas]

Actually Klein started out as a


LIBERAL!

And I started out life shitting my pants.....we all grow up and eventually drop those bad habits

 

[OTBn]

Poor Ralphie - get's none/little of the credit for Alberta's debt free position... don't ya know, with all that oil wealth, anyone could have got them there.

As he fades into the background of corporate board positions, the poor guy seems to be taking a lot of shots about the poor planning in handling Alberta's unprecedented growth... oh my, didn't he even have the unmitigated gall to come out and actually acknowledge the Alberta Conservatives "didn't have a plan"

 

[wolverine]

And just imagine if there was a plan in place. The royalty program could have been revisited so that there's even more coin in the coffers. The Heritage Savings Plan could now have enough money so that the interest earned could be funding health care, edumacation, infrastructure and other needs. There'd be plenty of land freed up in Fort Mac for more housing, not to mention a twinned highway to the rest of the province along with an upgraded freight train service. They could be keeping the bitumen production here instead of the States. Construction costs wouldn't be so ridiculously high. But no, the province has been run by a group of backward-ass hicks who are once again pissing away the oil wealth. Way to go Ralphie, you buffoon.

 

[dirtydan]

Klein never ran as a liberal....but he was a card carrying liberal before he entered party politics.

That doesn't make sense.

As mayor of Calgary, he was definately liberal.

I don't remember him as the mayor of Calgary. Was it when the Oilers and the Eskimos were winning a lot of championships?

I am just glad he saw the light.

It's to bad he didn't go towards the light!

 

[gravitas]

And just imagine if there was a plan in place.

Actually, in some ways I'm happier there isn't a plan. When governments plan they usually tend to fuck up more then when they just run haplessly along

The royalty program could have been revisited so that there's even more coin in the coffers.

The balancing act of energy royalties is quite the skill. To keep everything into consideration including, cost of production, availability of labour, access to markets for end products, reclamation costs, long term sustainability, contribution to provincial revenue all while being cognisant of the royalty policies of other energy rich areas is difficult. I'm not making excuses for Alberta Energy or the EUB but its not as simple as saying, "oil prices have gone up so lets charge greater royalties".

The Heritage Savings Plan could now have enough money so that the interest earned could be funding health care, edumacation, infrastructure and other needs.

The Alberta Heritage Savings Trust Fund is just one of a number of trusts administered by Alberta Finance. Just like the AHSTF the others with focus on the likes of Health Research, Education are literally funded to their maximum allowable amounts. Each of the funds were set up as an act through the Alberta Legislature and there are specifics on how they can invest as well as the maximum annual contributions they're allowed to receive from Alberta's general revenue. Alberta Finance is chronically looking for other vehicles (i.e. t-bills and other similar short term bonds) to park the absolutely insane amount of money coming in.

Its not the issue that there isn't enough money from interest to properly fund health, education, infrastructure, etc. its that the government has been so focused on eliminating the debt for the past 10 years that they've lost sight on the fact that to run a province you need to spend money.

There'd be plenty of land freed up in Fort Mac for more housing, not to mention a twinned highway to the rest of the province along with an upgraded freight train service.

I completely agree that we have some serious infrastructure problems in the province. Fort Mac is actually a disgrace when it comes the the lack of housing and associated municipal services and highway 2/63 are fucking brutal. While I'm bitching about highways the lack of development of a third lane on Hwy 2 between Calgary and Edmonton.....for christ sake, that stretch of road is ALWAYS busy, do something already.

Its only slight consolation that we're currently sitting on more money then god so provided our new Premier isn't so fucking myopic I'm hoping these issues will be addressed.

 

[chilli]

I dont know why all the hate for Ralph Klein, hes done more for Alberta than most of you have done for anyone or in your life.

He's certainly done alot more than this Stronach.

So Ralph is "colorful" who the hell cares he gets tihngs done. Alot more done than pretty well any other politician you can name.

Most other politicians are polite and politically correct, and corrupt as hell.

Id take a 1 Ralph Klein over 100 Stronachs.

Shes a bitch.

 

[dirtydan]

I dont know why all the hate for Ralph Klein, hes done more for Alberta than most of you have done for anyone or in your life.

I think history will show Klein's positives were few and far in between and it's his negatives that provided him with his fame. Also to me he did more to fuck this country than anyother premier outside of Quebec.

I
He's certainly done alot more than this Stronach.

So Ralph is "colorful" who the hell cares he gets tihngs done. Alot more done than pretty well any other politician you can name.

Most other politicians are polite and politically correct, and corrupt as hell.

Are you equating political correctness with corruption? And really just what is political correctness these days?

I
Id take a 1 Ralph Klein over 100 Stronachs.

Shes a bitch.

What qualifies Stronach as a bitch?

 

[OTBn]

I dont know why all the hate for Ralph Klein, hes done more for Alberta than most of you have done for anyone or in your life.

just asking - why was Ralphie trumped out of his own Conservative party... given all he's done for Alberta? Surely he wasn't reverting back to his Liberal roots, was he?