What do you search to look that up?
I was only able to see the resgistrant info and who it it is registered through, with the typical note of how registrant is not necessarily the owner.
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I was only able to see the resgistrant info and who it it is registered through, with the typical note of how registrant is not necessarily the owner.
The WHOIS at godaddy.com gives a little more information - enough to infer that it is owned by photography 100.What do you search to look that up?
I was only able to see the resgistrant info and who it it is registered through, with the typical note of how registrant is not necessarily the owner.
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=irresistibleisabelle.com&prog_id=godaddy
As an expert in this area, I offer the following advice (note: I am NOT looking for new business as I'm already buried and this isn't my target market, I'm just offering advice):
ALWAYS make sure that the domain name is registered in YOUR name. That means that you own it and can override her (or anybody else) in terms of having it moved to a new service provider, etc. Also get a privacy option so that even though you are the registered owner (with the ultimate control), you DON'T want your personal information (real name, address, etc) available to the general public.
In this particular case, the site is registered as being OWNED by Photo 100. That means she has complete control. Perid. So you'll need to register another domain name (such as a ".ca" name) for a new site.
For anyone else in this situation who has a site that is currently live with her (or anyone else) and simply wants to plan for the future, get another domain name registered to you and have it "forwarded" to your existing web site. Then transition your advertising and email address to your new domain name. Then when the time comes you can move that domain name to another all new web site where you are in complete control.
This is wise for anyone with any web site of any kind (although not everyone needs to use the "privacy" option to hide their ownership details). But you should ALWAYS be the official owner and the final authority on the site.
I hope that things work out!
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excellent suggestions. it's a shame when someone you trust doesn't live up to his / her billing. it's always good to have safeguards. with my own domain, i take care of everything so it's not so difficult for me. however if someone else were to do it, i'd make sure i have password access to everything. i'd also check it on a regular basis. only give them access to your password when they need to change it. as soon as they're done with the changes, make sure you change it again. it's only business right?
The reason I am asking is that I believed I did exactly what you suggested: bought a domain but registered it privately.The WHOIS at godaddy.com gives a little more information - enough to infer that it is owned by photography 100.
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=irresistibleisabelle.com&prog_id=godaddy
My WhoIs looks very similar to Isabelle's: the company it's registered through is listed as both administrative and technical contact.
Although it does say:
Private, Registration "my domain"@domainsbyproxy.com
Is it that line that makes the difference? Is that what we should look for if we want to double-check this?
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Isabelle, good luck in dealing with this!
All the companies I know as well reputed in adult webdesign are a bit too expensive for me to whole heartedly recommend them...
You should be alright since you bought and registered your domain yourself. People can lose control of their domain when the webmaster does everything for them and registers it in the webmaster's name.The reason I am asking is that I believed I did exactly what you suggested: bought a domain but registered it privately.
My WhoIs looks very similar to Isabelle's: the company it's registered through is listed as both administrative and technical contact.
Although it does say:
Private, Registration "my domain"@domainsbyproxy.com
Is it that line that makes the difference? Is that what we should look for if we want to double-check this?
Yes, that is the difference. If you look at http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/popup/whoisexample.aspx, you can see how the PUBLIC registration resembles Isabella's and the PRIVATE one resembles yours.
Hi Thais,Is that what we should look for if we want to double-check this
The critical parts to check in your registration look-up (if it is not hidden via a privacy block) is that the name of the owner is listed as you and MOST IMPORTANTLY that the email address for the owner / administrative contact is yours. The technical contact is usually the ISP's. If the information is hidden behind a privacy block then you may have to contact the ISP directly to check the information.
When you (or someone else who's email address is also tied to the domain name) request a major change (such as a move to a new web site host, etc), then an email is automatically sent to this registered web site "authority" person's email address to approve the change. This is what I originally hoped that we would be able to suggest to help Isabelle.
If it is actually your e-mail address but you no longer have access to it, then you can still change it providing that the ownership name, address and other contact info is correct, but it is a much longer and more involved process.
Hope that helps!
My previous message posting was posted before I saw CanCowboys, but he's absolutely right when he says:
You should be alright since you bought and registered your domain yourself. People can lose control of their domain when the webmaster does everything for them and registers it in the webmaster's name.
Isn't the whole point of PRIVATE registration to prevent that from happening? To ensure other people won't tie your real name to your escort identity? I would assume most SPs would never use public registration.The critical parts to check in your registration look-up (if it is not hidden via a privacy block) is that the name of the owner is listed as you and MOST IMPORTANTLY that the email address for the owner / administrative contact is yours. The technical contact is usually the ISP's. If the information is hidden behind a privacy block then you may have to contact the ISP directly to check the information.
Or the ISP will only release this information to you if you are the actual owner?
Exactly.Or the ISP will only release this information to you if you are the actual owner?
They may automatically email the information to the email that THEY have on file for the owner, or call you back at the number that (again) they have on file for the owner, or ask for a preset security phrase that you provided when you set up the account, etc.
The requests are definitely handled in a way so that if you should have access to it, you'll get it, but otherwise you won't.
Note that when I say ISP I'm assuming that the web site ISP is the same as the company that you use to purchase or renew your domain name. If they're not the same, then you'd actually contact the domain name registrar that you use.
You’ve added to your lack of business acumen by starting this thread… if you perceived no avenues to secure your site content you should have simply moved on/started over. It’s apparent you have no agreement stating you own the specific developed content… and you don’t own the domain.Indy Isabelle said:All I wanted was for her to send me the info to control my own site and hire a new web designer.
Certainly your site was important to you; but really, we’ve seen few SP websites that are anything but a few basic static linked pages… nothing that couldn’t be cobbled together by any reputable designer/developer in a very short time.
Website Owners Beware!
I agree with the comment, you must own the domain name! Never let a web designer control your website name! Any web designer who does control your domain name is trying to maintain control of your business! They force you to deal with them or take down the site and this is a SCAM!
Escort sites are static (i.e. they don't change much) and easy to build, a typical web designer will charge less than 500.00 to build a static site.
Any Photography 100 clients should request that their existing domain names be placed in clients name immediately. If they refuse, I would get another site built, register my own domain name (domain name cost is under 10.00 per year) and pay for my own web hosting (web hosting cost is under 50.00 per year).
Best wishes to all.
I agree with the comment, you must own the domain name! Never let a web designer control your website name! Any web designer who does control your domain name is trying to maintain control of your business! They force you to deal with them or take down the site and this is a SCAM!
Escort sites are static (i.e. they don't change much) and easy to build, a typical web designer will charge less than 500.00 to build a static site.
Any Photography 100 clients should request that their existing domain names be placed in clients name immediately. If they refuse, I would get another site built, register my own domain name (domain name cost is under 10.00 per year) and pay for my own web hosting (web hosting cost is under 50.00 per year).
Best wishes to all.
That's pretty harsh. I've seen many corporate clients caught up in the same situation, because they trusted their webmasters. Fortunately most of them are trustworthy but occasionally...You’ve added to your lack of business acumen by starting this thread… if you perceived no avenues to secure your site content you should have simply moved on/started over. It’s apparent you have no agreement stating you own the specific developed content… and you don’t own the domain.
Many of the major escorts on this board also deal with Photography 100. I think it would be pretty hard to claim that they all have a "lack of business acumen"!
P.S. I also have absolutely no idea what the deal was that Photography 100 offered. For all we know, she may be offering a month to month advertising / rental type of thing, or...?
There is a long history behind the purpose of these threads about Photography 100.
All I wanted was to sever our business arrangement because she leaked my personal information to another SP (uh hello... competition?) - which both she and the SP in question have admitted to. I specifically said it could be a nice clean break, despite what she had done and the numerous hysterical emails she sends and endless problems with my site because she kept using programs that are PC based and not mac compatible (uh... I told you I have a Mac). What I said was that I wanted her to maintain the integrity of my site, to leave it the way it was and to turn control over to me. Totally fair I think considering that I spent $1500+ on the site. And I have emails from her detailing the cost including the purchase of the domain name.
[Incidentally: I was lead to believe that the only way to protect my identity was to have her register it in her name, so that my real name is not associated with work.]
After I sent the email explaining this I did not hear back from her but my site went down in about 20 min. Coincidence some have suggested, but I saw that she was pulling my banners and pulling content from her site that relates to me.
Knowing that she was the one who pulled an SP's site and put up terrible pics of her, I feared the worst.
Sent emails periodically demanding to know what was going on. No response, but still obvious activity on her end, so i know she knew what was going on.
I warned her that if she didn't turn my site back on AS IS or at least let me know what was going on that I would post on perb about what she was doing. No response.
I fired this thread on TOS ("the other site") as a warning shot, emailed it to her and said if she'd tell me what was going on and put my site back I'd pull it and not post on perb. No response BUT "Tianna" chimes in defending her in a writing style that is exactly like that of the web designer. Both designer has admitted that she has access to T's info so that she can make changes, update banners etc (I've got those emails too).
So I posted on PERB about it, knowing that I was probably screwed anyway, but at least if she did anything negative, she'd ruin her business all by herself. If it's just off she can plead coincidence and innocence.
So it seems it's a stalemate at the moment. She doesn't seem to be doing anything negative (pics, info, etc) and I have no site. I think she knows that if she does anything further that she will have only herself to blame if she looks bad. I'm fine having my site off...for now. I just want to make sure that she isn't disclosing personal info or doing anything unethical.
I don't really need a bunch of people to back me up, I have loads of emails from both her and the SP admitting about the disclosure, and I understand people not wanting to get involved. The designer is highly unethical and happily seeks vengeance against any slight, real or perceived. She is intensely paranoid, unbalanced and hurls accusations left right and centre with no cause (I've got those emails too).
My main mission here is to get the word out about her. She's gaining popularity, in large part because of the exposure she gets from high profile SPs, and I can't sit back and let this happen to someone else - having their information and websites out of their control and in the hands of a vengeful, vindictive, petty little person, who uses her power to get her way. I will give her credit... she does beautiful work and I loved my site. But she is a seriously disturbed individual.
All I wanted was to sever our business arrangement because she leaked my personal information to another SP (uh hello... competition?) - which both she and the SP in question have admitted to. I specifically said it could be a nice clean break, despite what she had done and the numerous hysterical emails she sends and endless problems with my site because she kept using programs that are PC based and not mac compatible (uh... I told you I have a Mac). What I said was that I wanted her to maintain the integrity of my site, to leave it the way it was and to turn control over to me. Totally fair I think considering that I spent $1500+ on the site. And I have emails from her detailing the cost including the purchase of the domain name.
[Incidentally: I was lead to believe that the only way to protect my identity was to have her register it in her name, so that my real name is not associated with work.]
After I sent the email explaining this I did not hear back from her but my site went down in about 20 min. Coincidence some have suggested, but I saw that she was pulling my banners and pulling content from her site that relates to me.
Knowing that she was the one who pulled an SP's site and put up terrible pics of her, I feared the worst.
Sent emails periodically demanding to know what was going on. No response, but still obvious activity on her end, so i know she knew what was going on.
I warned her that if she didn't turn my site back on AS IS or at least let me know what was going on that I would post on perb about what she was doing. No response.
I fired this thread on TOS ("the other site") as a warning shot, emailed it to her and said if she'd tell me what was going on and put my site back I'd pull it and not post on perb. No response BUT "Tianna" chimes in defending her in a writing style that is exactly like that of the web designer. Both designer has admitted that she has access to T's info so that she can make changes, update banners etc (I've got those emails too).
So I posted on PERB about it, knowing that I was probably screwed anyway, but at least if she did anything negative, she'd ruin her business all by herself. If it's just off she can plead coincidence and innocence.
So it seems it's a stalemate at the moment. She doesn't seem to be doing anything negative (pics, info, etc) and I have no site. I think she knows that if she does anything further that she will have only herself to blame if she looks bad. I'm fine having my site off...for now. I just want to make sure that she isn't disclosing personal info or doing anything unethical.
I don't really need a bunch of people to back me up, I have loads of emails from both her and the SP admitting about the disclosure, and I understand people not wanting to get involved. The designer is highly unethical and happily seeks vengeance against any slight, real or perceived. She is intensely paranoid, unbalanced and hurls accusations left right and centre with no cause (I've got those emails too).
My main mission here is to get the word out about her. She's gaining popularity, in large part because of the exposure she gets from high profile SPs, and I can't sit back and let this happen to someone else - having their information and websites out of their control and in the hands of a vengeful, vindictive, petty little person, who uses her power to get her way. I will give her credit... she does beautiful work and I loved my site. But she is a seriously disturbed individual.
The initial website was $1100P.S. I also have absolutely no idea what the deal was that Photography 100 offered. For all we know, she may be offering a month to month advertising / rental type of thing, or...?
First web host & domain purchase $100 (email program not compatible with my Bb or mac.)
2nd web host $100
I don't recall the cost of the 2 addition pages, but I know they were at least 100+ each
Monthly maintenance was $150 - to maintain the site & make small changes.
It was not a rental. I should our right own both my site and my domain name. But alas I don't. I do want them, but if I don't get them it is not the end of the world. It's just stuff & just money.
What has upset me so much is that she disclosed my personal info to someone I don't know.
Well, I have to say that seeing "the other side of the story" makes me trust Isabelle even more.
Photography 100:
You don't explain why you unexpectedly took Isabelle's site down.
If for whichever reason she decided to sever the relationship with you, she has the right to do so. She paid you to build and design her site and for continued maintenance. If she decided to move maintenance and hosting to somebody else, she should be able to do so.
If you decide that you don't want her to have the site you designed as you don't want to be assciated with her in any way, you should return most of the money she paid you specifically for the design services. Perhaps, not all because Isabelle was able to use the design for a number of months but most nonetheless.
Everything Isabelle shared here relates to her experience with your reliability, professionalism and business ethics. The petty retaliative vindictiveness you displayed (oh, she shaves her head and wears a wig!) indicates to me that you have none.
Photography 100:
You don't explain why you unexpectedly took Isabelle's site down.
If for whichever reason she decided to sever the relationship with you, she has the right to do so. She paid you to build and design her site and for continued maintenance. If she decided to move maintenance and hosting to somebody else, she should be able to do so.
If you decide that you don't want her to have the site you designed as you don't want to be assciated with her in any way, you should return most of the money she paid you specifically for the design services. Perhaps, not all because Isabelle was able to use the design for a number of months but most nonetheless.
Everything Isabelle shared here relates to her experience with your reliability, professionalism and business ethics. The petty retaliative vindictiveness you displayed (oh, she shaves her head and wears a wig!) indicates to me that you have none.
If anyone doubts what I had to say, photography 100 just proved my point. Her post will be deleted as will this one by the mods.
Here is the real story. About a year ago 2 people I love very very much ................
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The reason why I'm FUCKING PISSED OFF is that this is the type of personal information that is supposed to be guarded, not because I'm asshamed of it but because it makes me immediately identifiable.
MJ you are a ************* edited by moderator and you have proved my point for me.
Here is the real story. About a year ago 2 people I love very very much ................
Personal Information deleted by poster request.
The reason why I'm FUCKING PISSED OFF is that this is the type of personal information that is supposed to be guarded, not because I'm asshamed of it but because it makes me immediately identifiable.
MJ you are a ************* edited by moderator and you have proved my point for me.
Isabelle, sorry to hear of your troubles babe. This really sucks.
I'm not an advertiser anymore, so I can't advertise for my webdesigner. But I can say without ANY reservations that I would never go anywhere else. Right from the beginning, I was patiently guided along (and taught what the jargon meant), my privacy was completely respected and protected, I OWNED MY SITE & ALL PASSWORDS... updates were timely and correct, and even the photographs (not professional, but very good amateur) were within my control. He LISTENED to me and my vision for what I wanted in my site, and using my direction, made it all workable. I would be happy to pass on contact info privately to any ladies who are looking.
For someone like me who is a novice with computers and the web, he made it easy and a pleasure to do this project.
Photography 100: Shame on you! Shame on you for posting this personal info here. Shame for posting the exact same post as above under Tianna's name on the other board. Very telling.
I'm not an advertiser anymore, so I can't advertise for my webdesigner. But I can say without ANY reservations that I would never go anywhere else. Right from the beginning, I was patiently guided along (and taught what the jargon meant), my privacy was completely respected and protected, I OWNED MY SITE & ALL PASSWORDS... updates were timely and correct, and even the photographs (not professional, but very good amateur) were within my control. He LISTENED to me and my vision for what I wanted in my site, and using my direction, made it all workable. I would be happy to pass on contact info privately to any ladies who are looking.
For someone like me who is a novice with computers and the web, he made it easy and a pleasure to do this project.
Photography 100: Shame on you! Shame on you for posting this personal info here. Shame for posting the exact same post as above under Tianna's name on the other board. Very telling.
Sort of blew any credibility you had when you posted this as Tianna on that other site, didn't you?How it all started: Tianna ,alittle drunk told Isabelle that ................
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Isabelle's new friends: Little circle of new jealous friends have convinced Isabelle that her designer isnt worth it.
They have never met nor worked with the designer and yet have so much to say about her.
The others: All P100 clients seem to have no problem what so ever with their work nor the way they handle things.
if they have access to passwords its because they have been given access to them.however it is as easy as 1 2 3 to change your password at any time if you wish
to cut off all access. A webmaster however usually does have access to clients email acc. or other passwords (for tech support)
Postings on perb (such as attaching a video or a photo) when an SP has no clue how to do so and asks for their help.
The SPs DONT seem to mind or have any problems with it,they actually prefer it this way.
SPs who hide their identity and dont have credit cards and dont want their names or address anywhere ...ask the webdesigner to buy the domain name and register it under their name.
If the webmaster has a godaddy account and is willing to help out and registered domain names under their own company name and save the SP trouble than fine,
however if they know how to do it and want to use their names to do so..they shouldnt have problem doing that either.
However if they choose to let someone do it for them they will be listed under an account with many domain names under it.
and they can never have access to it as it means giving access to all the other info on all the other sites under that same account.
However there are clients who simply buy the domain name ,hosting and then come to the designer and ask for a site to be build.
P.100 Client base is very large ,and over the years it has only grown.Including Escort Agencies ,Elite Independent Escorts
not only in Vancouver but worldwide.
They are featured on a Hit tv show as we speak!
Photography -yes they do photography (few months a year when not too busy with design work)
Photo touch ups -yes
videos-yes
web design - yes
and alot more....
Both in vancouver -at the moment
and other locations,
No one seem to ever had any trouble with them what so ever!
only Isabelle - after being happy for the last 7 8 months since her site's been up.
and now influenced by a new circle of friends who have helped her loose her great designer and site!
No person (designer or not) will respond to black mail nor bad posts like the ones you have started.
Agreed. Since P100 has given out personal information for all to see here... then it leaves little doubt that private/confidential information is not safe.Well, I have to say that seeing "the other side of the story" makes me trust Isabelle even more.
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