Warning! Herpes in Edmonton MP`s
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Mis-information - Just Some Facts
It has been suggested that a cold sore is not Herpes in this thread. That is inacurate. Cold sores are caused by the the Herpes HSV-I virus and the medical community estimates that up to 90% of the population over 50 years of age has contracted this virus - see below.
Not as serious as Herpes HSV-II (genital herpes), it can be transferred to other parts of the body (including the genitals) and the virus cannot be irradicated from your body.
The Herpes outbreak referred to in this Thread is a general warning that you will hear at the STI Clinic when you go for testing and according to my sources there is no register of infected SP's at MP's and there is no banning by licensing as they have no means to be informed and would be on very difficult legal grounds because Herpes HSV-I is so widespread.
It has been mentioned to me that BLE is simply passing on the STI Clinic warning because SP's and their clients have a higher risk of contracting the infection. It is not a situation where BLE has identified that the SP's at MP's are causing a break out of the infection.
The Facts About Cold Sores
By Stuart Maddin, MD, FRCPC
Cold sores, or fever blisters, are common among Canadians.
Read the facts about cold sores and the virus that causes them. Cold sores are caused by the Herpes HSV-1 virus which is very widely spread. North American
Fact:
Cold sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus. There are two types of this virus and cold sores are usually caused by type 1 (known as HSV-1). The other type of herpes simplex virus, HSV-2, usually causes genital herpes
In general, we are infected with HSV-1 when we are children; in the majority of these initial (“primary”) infections, there are no symptoms
Usually, the virus infects our mouths. Some children experience mouth and gum symptoms (“gingivostomatitis”) or a sore throat (“pharyngitis”).
Fact: Cold sores are the result of the virus reactivating in our bodies
Once HSV-1 has entered our bodies, it never leaves. The virus moves from the mouth to quietly reside (“remain latent”) in the central nervous system.
In approximately one third of people, the virus can “wake up” or reactivate to cause disease
When reactivation occurs, the virus travels down the nerves to the skin where it may cause blisters (cold sores) around the lips, in the mouth or, in about 10% of cases, on the nose, chin, or cheeks
Many people who suffer from cold sores are aware in advance that a cold sore is about to break out — they have a tingling or burning feeling, redness, itching, or pain (“prodromal symptoms”) around their lips or mouth
Cold sore outbreaks may be influenced by stress, menstruation, sunlight, sunburn, fever, or local skin trauma.
Fact: The virus that causes cold sores is infectious
30%-60% of children below 10 years of age are infected with HSV-1. They have acquired the virus from family and friends through sharing utensils or toothbrushes, and from kissing
The virus is transmitted from cold sores and also when there are no symptoms, as it can make copies of itself on the skin in the absence of a blister. This phenomenon is called “asymptomatic shedding”
By 50 years of age, 80%-90% of us harbour HSV-1 because we have caught it from someone close to us
HSV-1 can sometimes be transmitted to newborn babies by family members or hospital staff who have cold sores; this can cause a severe disease called neonatal herpes.
Fact: The virus from cold sores can infect other areas of the body
People can transfer the virus from their cold sores to other areas of the body, such as the eye, skin, or fingers; this is called “autoinoculation”
Eye infection, in the form of conjunctivitis or keratitis, can happen when you rub the cold sore, then rub your eyes before washing your hands
Finger infection (“herpetic whitlow”) can occur when a child with cold sores or primary HSV-1 infection sucks his/her fingers
HSV-1 can infect your genital area if you engage in oral sex with a partner with a cold sore
Fact: Early treatment can help eliminate the cold sore
Some products can accelerate healing if they are used at the prodromal stage of the cold sore
Prescription drugs include acyclovir cream or capsules (Zovirax®) and penciclovir cream (Denavir®); also, Health Canada recently approved a one day course of 2 grams valacyclovir caplets (Valtrex®) for prodromal use
Docosanol cream (Abreva®) can be bought without a prescription
Frequent hand washing minimizes the risk of transferring the virus to other areas of your body
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About the author:
Dr. Stuart Maddin is past President of the Canadian Dermatology Association and served as Secretary-General of the International Committee of Dermatology — International League of Dermatological Societies. He is the director of the clinical trials unit at the Division of Dermatology, UBC. Dr. Maddin has also acted in an advisory capacity to the Health Protection Branch (Ottawa), the AAD-FDA Liaison Committee and WHO (Geneva).
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It has been suggested that a cold sore is not Herpes in this thread. That is inacurate. Cold sores are caused by the the Herpes HSV-I virus and the medical community estimates that up to 90% of the population over 50 years of age has contracted this virus - see below.
Not as serious as Herpes HSV-II (genital herpes), it can be transferred to other parts of the body (including the genitals) and the virus cannot be irradicated from your body.
The Herpes outbreak referred to in this Thread is a general warning that you will hear at the STI Clinic when you go for testing and according to my sources there is no register of infected SP's at MP's and there is no banning by licensing as they have no means to be informed and would be on very difficult legal grounds because Herpes HSV-I is so widespread.
It has been mentioned to me that BLE is simply passing on the STI Clinic warning because SP's and their clients have a higher risk of contracting the infection. It is not a situation where BLE has identified that the SP's at MP's are causing a break out of the infection.
The Facts About Cold Sores
By Stuart Maddin, MD, FRCPC
Cold sores, or fever blisters, are common among Canadians.
Read the facts about cold sores and the virus that causes them. Cold sores are caused by the Herpes HSV-1 virus which is very widely spread. North American
Fact:
Cold sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus. There are two types of this virus and cold sores are usually caused by type 1 (known as HSV-1). The other type of herpes simplex virus, HSV-2, usually causes genital herpes
In general, we are infected with HSV-1 when we are children; in the majority of these initial (“primary”) infections, there are no symptoms
Usually, the virus infects our mouths. Some children experience mouth and gum symptoms (“gingivostomatitis”) or a sore throat (“pharyngitis”).
Fact: Cold sores are the result of the virus reactivating in our bodies
Once HSV-1 has entered our bodies, it never leaves. The virus moves from the mouth to quietly reside (“remain latent”) in the central nervous system.
In approximately one third of people, the virus can “wake up” or reactivate to cause disease
When reactivation occurs, the virus travels down the nerves to the skin where it may cause blisters (cold sores) around the lips, in the mouth or, in about 10% of cases, on the nose, chin, or cheeks
Many people who suffer from cold sores are aware in advance that a cold sore is about to break out — they have a tingling or burning feeling, redness, itching, or pain (“prodromal symptoms”) around their lips or mouth
Cold sore outbreaks may be influenced by stress, menstruation, sunlight, sunburn, fever, or local skin trauma.
Fact: The virus that causes cold sores is infectious
30%-60% of children below 10 years of age are infected with HSV-1. They have acquired the virus from family and friends through sharing utensils or toothbrushes, and from kissing
The virus is transmitted from cold sores and also when there are no symptoms, as it can make copies of itself on the skin in the absence of a blister. This phenomenon is called “asymptomatic shedding”
By 50 years of age, 80%-90% of us harbour HSV-1 because we have caught it from someone close to us
HSV-1 can sometimes be transmitted to newborn babies by family members or hospital staff who have cold sores; this can cause a severe disease called neonatal herpes.
Fact: The virus from cold sores can infect other areas of the body
People can transfer the virus from their cold sores to other areas of the body, such as the eye, skin, or fingers; this is called “autoinoculation”
Eye infection, in the form of conjunctivitis or keratitis, can happen when you rub the cold sore, then rub your eyes before washing your hands
Finger infection (“herpetic whitlow”) can occur when a child with cold sores or primary HSV-1 infection sucks his/her fingers
HSV-1 can infect your genital area if you engage in oral sex with a partner with a cold sore
Fact: Early treatment can help eliminate the cold sore
Some products can accelerate healing if they are used at the prodromal stage of the cold sore
Prescription drugs include acyclovir cream or capsules (Zovirax®) and penciclovir cream (Denavir®); also, Health Canada recently approved a one day course of 2 grams valacyclovir caplets (Valtrex®) for prodromal use
Docosanol cream (Abreva®) can be bought without a prescription
Frequent hand washing minimizes the risk of transferring the virus to other areas of your body
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About the author:
Dr. Stuart Maddin is past President of the Canadian Dermatology Association and served as Secretary-General of the International Committee of Dermatology — International League of Dermatological Societies. He is the director of the clinical trials unit at the Division of Dermatology, UBC. Dr. Maddin has also acted in an advisory capacity to the Health Protection Branch (Ottawa), the AAD-FDA Liaison Committee and WHO (Geneva).
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It is without a doubt that as soon as this thread was started people would come on here and say you can get it from a,b,c and possibly d. As well as factual unsafe sex practices that are unfortunately very common nowdays in studios.There has always been different opinions on this.I dont give a damn what anyone says...an sp who provides GFE or PSE and if that involves anything uncovered, or is DFK 20 clients a week..IS putting herself AND her clients at more of a risk.That is her prerogative and her clients as well. Bylaw is not warning of the possibility sps and their clients are more at risk..they are coming around saying that at this very moment there is girls actively working with herpes at a few studios and basically they told US to play safe..food for thought.
This is what scares and pisses me off! Not that there is a herpes epidemic or that LE is involved, you girls (peachy and Studio Girl) can save your warnings and advice, it's obvious to me you don't give a shit about clients safety or have a clue how to protect yourselves either.
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I`m amazed that you guys sit here and say "yeah, everythings risky..you can theoretically catch something" You guys are in major denial about whats actually spreading right now in studios (were not just talking about cold sores and mouth herpes, DON`T FORGET ABOUT GENITALS)- so much that licencing is warning us to be careful. You guys can sit here and defend the unsafe GFE & PSE for your own means because you`ll never catch anythinng-that will never happen to you. To each his own but im pretty amazed that you guys are still willing to roll the dice...
Due to The Privacy Act, Licencing is not allowed to disclose the names of the girls or the studios. All we can do is speculate and guess where the GFE & PSE studios are... The way to be more safe is to get tested and to play safer
I appreciate that, at the time I was under the impression that this was another attack on the MP's by CL girls as has been attempted in the past.
Now the Studio Girls information has been confirmed by multiple legit studios and girls, I have no issue with the information.
Studio Girl, thank you for your thoughts, I do feel a bit bad for railing on you as you indicated in your quote. I far from think of myself as the wisest, we all have lots to learn and life is a teacher that we have have with us always. I would like to point out that now that your information has been confirmed by multiple studios and girls into the business that I have no issues. The information that I was working with at the time was that,
1. You just joined the day that you posted.
2. You were posting of an infection that was throughout the studios. I was under the impression that you were a CL girl attempting to discredit the studios and bring business to CL. This type of thing has been done in the past and is dirty pool in my books, and I responded in a manner to discredit the CL girl that I thought was doing this. Now that it has been determined that you are not a CL girl discrediting the studios I have no issues with what you have posted. It is not what you posted, but rather the unfortunate manner in that it had been done that had led to this situation. I now understand your methods in hindsight, but did not have that information available at the time of my second post. If you would like to discuss this further, I would be happy to, via PM or email.
So yeah, I have "pulled my head out of my ass" and it is much easier to breathe and much more sunny out here. Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.
I really don't think its fair to be pointing the finger at girls who provide certain services such as gfe and pse or the clients who partake. The main route of genital herpes/syphilis transmission is intercourse and we all so it, so we are all at risk. I think the key to protecting ourselves is education, knowing the signs and symptoms of these infections and what to look for. Don't rely on second hand information or speculation, go call the std hotline, or talk to one of the nurses at the clinic. Everyone in this hobby should be getting tested regularly. The clinic on 111st is really good, the nurses are great, they knew what I did and were nothing but lovely to me so don't be intimidated.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
I totally agree Mischa. Not sure what you are talking about wolvie, I go to the clinic regularly and never have a problem with the nurses. I think they are excellent and very willing to talk and explain things. I am very frank with them and they make no judgemental comments about my activities. They are professional health care workers and conduct themselves accordingly.
One last post concerning HSV 2 from the WHO site (a bulletin posted in 2008)
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/10/07-046128/en/index.html
The lowest prevalence was in western Europe, where prevalence reached a maximum of around 18% among women and 13% among men. The highest prevalence was in sub-Saharan Africa, where prevalence reached a maximum of 70% among women and around 55% among men.
The estimated number of people aged 15–49 years who were living with HSV-2 worldwide in 2003 is 536 million, or roughly 16% of the world’s population in this age range.
The analysis was limited to estimating rates of HSV-2 infection. HSV-2 seroprevalence is a good proxy for the prevalence of genital HSV-2 infection because it is likely that the majority of HSV-2 infections are genital, and comparatively few infections are oral. This is suggested by the very low prevalence of HSV-2 among children.28 Viral isolation studies also show that the frequency of oral HSV-2 reactivation is low,47 suggesting that onward transmission is rare. The proportion of infections at each site cannot be directly measured because seroprevalence studies are unable to distinguish between oral and genital infections. In contrast, genital herpes due to HSV-1 is of significant public-health importance,48–53 but the inability of seroprevalence studies to distinguish between the two infection sites means it is much more difficult to generate estimates of the burden of genital HSV-1 infection.
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/10/07-046128/en/index.html
The lowest prevalence was in western Europe, where prevalence reached a maximum of around 18% among women and 13% among men. The highest prevalence was in sub-Saharan Africa, where prevalence reached a maximum of 70% among women and around 55% among men.
The estimated number of people aged 15–49 years who were living with HSV-2 worldwide in 2003 is 536 million, or roughly 16% of the world’s population in this age range.
The analysis was limited to estimating rates of HSV-2 infection. HSV-2 seroprevalence is a good proxy for the prevalence of genital HSV-2 infection because it is likely that the majority of HSV-2 infections are genital, and comparatively few infections are oral. This is suggested by the very low prevalence of HSV-2 among children.28 Viral isolation studies also show that the frequency of oral HSV-2 reactivation is low,47 suggesting that onward transmission is rare. The proportion of infections at each site cannot be directly measured because seroprevalence studies are unable to distinguish between oral and genital infections. In contrast, genital herpes due to HSV-1 is of significant public-health importance,48–53 but the inability of seroprevalence studies to distinguish between the two infection sites means it is much more difficult to generate estimates of the burden of genital HSV-1 infection.
Do you mention that you are a pooner?
And yes, I've been to the clinic at the General Hospital downtown, if that's the one Mischa is alluding to. Last time I was there, I got the judgemental treatment from some English battleaxe.
If you gave someone a bj who had gential herpes you would get genital herpes not the other strain associated with cold sores.
Btw I find your view on stds ironic, considering you're offering breastmilk fetish and the risks associated with that.
Buddy, they don't give a shit. Last nurse I saw was so hot, I wanted to flirt with her. But given that I'd just told her that I'd hit it with about 20 sp's in the last 3 months, I figured my odds were weak. She was still supremely polite, cool and even flashed me a few smiles.
Dang, probably should have pulled the flirt...
Sigh...
You read my mind, too bad you weren't going to be in Edmonton earlier - a foursome would've been nice.
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If so many people have it, how do we not all have it? I mean if we have all been with at least 100-200 different people the math says we should ALL have it.
I mean the SPs for sure should since they see around 100 people a year at least.
Last time i got checked I was clean but if this is something that comes from kissing and I kiss girls who kiss like 100s of different guys...
I mean the SPs for sure should since they see around 100 people a year at least.
Last time i got checked I was clean but if this is something that comes from kissing and I kiss girls who kiss like 100s of different guys...
I would love to "play doctor" with you, Special K, as long as you keep the penile torture devices away from lil wolvie!Just come visit me instead.....I'll give ya a full physical examination. haha I even have penile insertions coming soon to make it even more authentic!
