Warning - Flaky John's on BP

4pleasure

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With the rash of posts about fake / flaky SPs recently I thought it about time we spun the camera for a second. There are way more fake / flaky John's than there are SPs, yet they don't get to have a forum about us, so lets call out a bit of the behaviours that some of our crowd could stand to work on.

First there is the "Looky-Lu John" that can never make his mind up. The amount of time SPs spend with gents actually making money is small compared to how much time they have to spend trying to arrange those dates. The gents who text and text and text asking questions and end up never booking a date is a huge time sink for them. The good SPs spend a lot of time on their websites for a reason, they attempt to cover all the common questions they get asked. Sure it's fine to contact an SP and ask questions, but there is no good reasons for long strings of texts. Figure out what you want to ask, ask, and make a decision. And don't leave them hanging. They spent their time talking to you, so even if you decide not to see them, have the common curtesy of giving them some closure so they are not left wondering if you are still thinking about it. You could even be helpful with some feedback and let them know why you decided not to see them. Don't offer the service I was looking for, not available during my play times, just not my body type etc. Bottom line their time is valuable too, don't waste it.

Second there is the "Last minute cancel John". Sure, shit in real life happens, and you occasionally need to rebook a date, but 99% of the time that's not the case. This class of John is "last minute nerves" gents who decide they can't go through with what sounded good in advance but when it becomes real suddenly have a "sick mother they need to go take care of". To this group I say "be a man". Book a date or don't book a date but don't book and bail. Many SPs keep separate incalls from where they live, and need to take buses or cabs to get there, so this actually costs them money as well as their time. If you have to cancel very last minute you might even consider paying them anyways. It's not their fault you had to cancel, and they may have had to pass on another client in the time they had booked with you. Bottom line "be a man" if you book a date, show-up, or immediately reschedule or compensate them for their time.

Third there is the worst culprit the "No show John". This is the worst offender of them all. The SP takes all the time to primp and preen to get ready to show their client a great time and the gent never shows. To this group I say "remember these SPs are real people with real feelings". Not only does this waste their time and money, it doesn't feel good either. To this group I say "shame on you, never, never, never do this".

This rant was brought to you by "the equal airtime" party - each time we read about a bad or flaky SP let's consider our behaviour as well....
 

Leloup

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I've spent a lifetime selling product and service - cars, houses, renovations, furniture - the "lookey-lu" is a common problem everywhere. I'd hazard a product of a capitalist society and free market choice. No avoiding them I'm afraid. And the "last minute cancel" are not uncommon either, especially with big ticket items. Those two are just the result of doing business.

"No shows" though...not cool.
 

poonerboi

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I hate to add that while there are a lot of jerks out there,some of them are other SPs.
 

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Ladies who are not paid advertisers - it's essentially impossible for you to post in this thread and not discuss business and therefore break the rules. I have been nice and deleted a few posts without infractions, anything else that breaks the rules in this thread will get the sanction required, so tread very very carefully.
 

4pleasure

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My intent wasn't to cause a firestorm, it was just to drive a little self-reflection that there was room for improvements on both sides of the industry...given it's user base this board tends to focus on one side of the equation, which makes sense, but from time to time a little brain time spent considering the other side of the table likely isn't a bad thing for all parties involved.
 

4pleasure

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The ladies do have a forum to discuss clients. It’s private.
Yes that forum hypothetically lets them share info on dangerous clients or create black-lists but it does nothing to drive change on the John side of the equation through building an understanding of the common issues SPs have to deal with on a regular basis. Given individual SPs wouldn't want to air their concerns on the client side of the board for fear of impacting their individual business it's really only the clients that can open up that type of dialogue amongst ourselves. Though I understand the moderators warning the SPs not to pile onto this thread, it's a client side thread for self-reflection.
 

westwoody

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There are a couple of perb members who are two faced liars. One persona for the board and another in real life.

Biggest jerk I have seen was the guy who texted a lady I was having a date with. She turns her phone off in sessions so she did not answer him. He texts about five times in an hour, no answer so he posts about what a bitch she is etc etc...

She texts him an explanation and apology. Response is demand for discount or free session to make up for his "inconvenience" and lost time. Which then escalates to obscenity filled tantrum when he is not getting what he wants.

This is just one example. There are a LOT more jerks than guys realise. And they act all pious and polite here in the light. Bear that in mind every time you see a guy badmouthing some woman.

I had a couple of friends who escorted. I could give lots of other examples. One guy slapped a girl and grabbed her hair so hard he pulled out her hair extensions. He left bruises...and then gave her a bad review.
 
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westwoody

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it's a client side thread for self-reflection.
The socially crippled loser who treat escorts like crap is not going to be interested in self contemplation.

Yes they should be a man, but they never will. They treat women badly because it is their culture. Or they feel paying gives them the right. Or they feel empowered by class. They are entitled, in their opinion.

But it is worthwhile reminding guys that there are a lot of total assholes among their ranks. And sometimes when women have stringent screening it is for a reason. It is because some other guy fucked things up.
 

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The socially crippled loser who treat escorts like crap is not going to be interested in self contemplation.

Yes they should be a man, but they never will. They treat women badly because it is their culture. Or they feel paying gives them the right. Or they feel empowered by class. They are entitled, in their opinion.

But it is worthwhile reminding guys that there are a lot of total assholes among their ranks. And sometimes when women have stringent screening it is for a reason. It is because some other guy fucked things up.
Yes. This thread is wasted on the two faced pooner who wants to disrespect the SP and the OP is basically a White Knight who wants to curry favor from the SPs.

The OP forgot about the other John. The guy who reads about how SPs go overtime without charging and decides to see if he can push the time limits himself. Can I get 5 minutes? Maybe the next session I can get 10. The one after 15.

Or the John who gets violent when refused a service he read on the board. But YOU give EVERYONE BBBJ and DFK! Just because I haven't showered all day after a 12 hour work day and came right to see you why shouldn't I get high mileage out of YOU? Who cares if I'm unkempt and three times your age? I SHOULD get the same as EVERYONE else!

Not all SPs are saints. But then neither are all the Johns either.
 

westwoody

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Or the John who gets violent when refused a service he read on the board. But YOU give EVERYONE BBBJ and DFK! Just because I haven't showered all day after a 12 hour work day and came right to see you why shouldn't I get high mileage out of YOU?
This is why it is best to not mention any extras you get.

An extra is exactly that: an extra favour on top of whatever one normally gets or expects.
Some guys read about it and demand it as if it is an entitlement.
 
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