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MMA's War machine brutally assaults porn star girlfriend Christy Mack....
I only hope this douchebag gets gang raped in whatever prison he ends up in.
There's no place in society for people like this!!
 

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I'm actually surprised that there aren't more cases of MMA on spouse violence. Violent behavior tends to beget more violence... and that's assuming there are no steroids or narcotics being used.
 

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He nearly kills her and beats the other guy as well.
Then he says he is the victim? Total nutcase.
Best case scenario, kills himself, the sooner the better.
 

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I'm actually surprised that there aren't more cases of MMA on spouse violence. Violent behavior tends to beget more violence... and that's assuming there are no steroids or narcotics being used.
That's pretty ignorant of a statement, they're athletes more than anything and the majority of people that do MMA are nice people because if how much they train and understand fighting.
 

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I'm actually surprised that there aren't more cases of MMA on spouse violence. Violent behavior tends to beget more violence... and that's assuming there are no steroids or narcotics being used.
MMA takes alot of brains and isn't all about strength buddy. Nothing to be surprised about it's just that you don't understand what your talking about. Think before you post.
 

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no you cant separate the action from your perceived intent.
Violence is violence what ever the arena is.
Violent angry people fight MMA because they like to hurt people. If you have watched MMA then you have heard fighters express anger and hate.
Violent angry people join the military so they can kill or hurt.
It doesnt mean all of them have the same agenda but these are places where you will find violent people. Fact.
Let me start you out with this thought, judging someone on what you think they do in their personal life based on what they do in their professional life is ignorant. Keep in mind you're in a forum about SPs who get paid for sex, many who do it for a living.

Here's an article about MLB and their rate of domestic violence:

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/7/...h-minnesota-twins-mlb-domestic-abuse-violence

Apparently there are violent people in places like baseball too. People that beat up their wives and loved ones. Fact. Does that mean there is a correlation between baseball and domestic violence? No.

And I watch MMA, I know MMA fighters personally and I have trained with them. I know a thing or two more about them than you.

Many people train "MMA" or the various martial arts associated with them because they enjoy competition, discipline and fitness. There are many people whose lives have been turned around because of training martial arts.

Many people join the military to serve their country and protect their loved ones. I know people in the military or who have been in the military including veterans, none of them have ever expressed how angry they are, how much they enjoyed violence or killing.

So does that mean there is a correlation between MMA or being in the military and beating up your wife/girlfriend? No. Truth.
 

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Why do you keep calling me ignorant Borko when you don't understand the premise of my argument?
What does the underlined mean in reference to my logic?
Yes and SP's have a different attitude about sex than the average girl - what is your point here?


uh... YES there is a correlation between MLB and domestic violence - you posted evidence :confused:
What is hard to demonstrate is causation.


i am sure its true but still irrelevant


How do you know what I know?


Fact: industries draw certain types of people to them for various reasons. Violent people are drawn to different industries than non violent people.
eg. tow truck drivers are a certain breed as are teacher or cops


There can be a statistical correlation between just about any two variables it just comes down to the strength of the relationship.


yours maybe
And this is just you talking yourself in circles trying to explain away your ignorant view of MMA and domestic violence and it's kind of hilarious that you keep trying to defend and explain away your overall stereotyping of people based on one aspect of them.

Just admit you made a ridiculous statement and shoved your foot in your mouth on something you have no knowledge of and move on rather than trying to obfuscate it.
 

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tapping out are you?

Actually, it wasn't much of a contest when the only thing you've cited was wikipedia to support your MMA / military = wifebeating point of view. Then proceeded to fail at picking apart my response by not saying anything of substance.

But hey funny simpsons pictures will definitely distract people and make everyone forget your ignorant point of view! :D
 

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Contest....oh ok... you win
And this is case where you really have no response and are just trying to be antagonistic because you have finally realized that you were championing a ridiculous point of view and were to prideful, and still too prideful, to admit it. You can respond to this and have the last word if you want, if it will make you feel better.

Anyways, MMA, military, MLB or anything has nothing with domestic violence. I bet if someone searched hard enough they could find a study saying that clerical workers have a high incidence of domestic violence but that doesn't mean it's related.
 

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Gentlemen....
Domestic abuse has been around since the beginning of time. Our prison system is filled with convicts that are there because of some sort of assault against women, be it physically, sexually or emotional. There is no specific stereotype of man who engages in abusive behavior.
This something that happens on a daily basis in the world, it just happens to create a media frenzy when it happens to be someone more famous than the average joe.
What I found interesting about the situation was the overall picture. 2am, proposal, the third guy who got beat then told to leave, the tweets that he was fighting for his life. Not much adds up here.
The sad part of all this, is that as I write this, some guy somewhere who works a dead end job in a little corner office just broke his wife's nose because she didn't have enough sugar in his coffee.
What makes guys like this tick? I don't know. I'm just glad I'm not one of them.
 

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Violent angry people join the military so they can kill or hurt.
That is a stupid ignorant comment that I personally find very insulting.

You clearly have no experience or knowledge of the military.
 

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I hope they find him and charge him to the fullest extent of the law.

Sadly, anyone who has followed these two on the social networking sites saw this coming a galaxy away. I hope Mack recovers well and gets counseling so she doesn't get back with this guy again.

And while we're at it, give War Machine some shock therapy. Dude literally changed his name to War Machine and is obviously a psycho. That ain't right.
The problem is that girls like Christy Mack have an attraction for guys like War Machine. I've seen it too many times. She may not get back together with him, but chances are likely that she'll find someone similar.

A couple weeks ago, I was at DVC gun range with a few guys for a bachelor party. In another stall was some guy....

reverse ball cap
MMA t-shirt
neck tattoo
works out but obviously skips leg days

and there was his g/f standing behind him watching and passing the time on her phone.....

her arm is in a sling
wearing a lot of concealer but that still didn't mask the black eye she was trying to hide
her posture revealing she was withdrawn.

You do the math on this scenario...
 

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It's not trolling it's clearly not understanding violence and human nature. There's a clear difference between a psycho and a warrior- discipline and ego.

People like War Machine clearly has to much ego (he changed his name) and not enough of the other. To unleash that much damage on another person, provoked or otherwise, means a lack of control. The best fighters have the most discipline and it shows in hoe they train and how they treat others.
 

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That's pretty ignorant of a statement, they're athletes more than anything and the majority of people that do MMA are nice people because if how much they train and understand fighting.
The local amateur circuit is more a purist form of sport, and I've actually observed very polite people at the MMA events that I've attended... the girl friends, on the other hand....

That said...

Violence does beget more violence... you have to work very hard not to fall into that pattern. It is *why* I'm surprised that there isn't more cases of it in the MMA pro league... which is a testament to the quality of athletes that do end up there. Sadly the pro league, where it's become more of a bloody spectacle sport with a dramatic edge added to it - not unlike the WWE - is a place with pressures to perform that go beyond simple skill. Since it's now a big money show, it becomes all too easy to dive into things that enhance your performance, looks or life style...all for the camera.

Any athlete in that sport is going to have to have a very rigid mental training structure to separate themselves from the ring and the professional persona. Not everyone can do that. In this case, he obviously couldn't.
 

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Who's to say that he started off as a violent maniac? Chances are, he had a temper that he kept under wraps... and he entered the sport for a variety of reasons. Number one, he was good at it...secondly, it kept him in great shape. It brought wealth, fame, and the adoration of attractive women... if being a pre-school teacher could do that, he might've done that too.

His training gave him a deadly tool to use to vent his anger, for sure... but it may not've started out that way.

How many concussions did he have during the course of his career? I had 1 concussion (that was bad, but nowhere near being KO'd)...and let me tell you, even to this very day, I have a shortened fuse and occasional outbursts of anger or violence that even I can't understand why I would be upset (I also have ongoing problems with memory loss as well). I do a lot of work to keep myself calm, to recognize when I'm starting to spiral into an irrational outburst (they are almost gone, thankfully...). I'm not a violent person, never have been, and rarely ever have had to resort to physical violence... so fortunately, that was never something that happened when I had those irrational outbursts.

So...what if you *are* someone who makes use of violence on a regular basis, even if in a controlled and disciplined environment? You are literally out of control...out of your mind... in those cases.

MMA fighters take a lot of punches, kicks and other trauma to their heads. It's one of the controversial things about the sport... and it's a sure fire recipe for concussions of varying severity...all of which are cumulative when it comes to the dangerous side effects. All the people that cheer when a KO is delivered? They are cheering for permanent brain damage.

With that damage comes everything from decreased motor or vocal skills to complete personality changes. Hopefully most can avoid that fate, but it is a serious issue in MMA...one that probably hasn't been studied much in that sport (although other sports have now been paying a lot of attention to it).

Now, couple that with the potential abuse of drugs, alcohol and performance enhancers... and you have a lethal cocktail. Partying aside, those things are also an effective diversion from the horror of feeling like you're losing control of your mind and body (which is what happens with a personality change or irrational violent outburst). Does anyone actually try to counsel MMA fighters on their fears surrounding the sport? The unspoken damage to their minds that they hold onto in silence? I very much doubt it, as it's an ultra alpha sport where macho bravado is king... and anything less than that is weakness. Stoicism kills.
 
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