VPD's Stance on Sex Workers (Animated!)

marsvolta

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I don't know if this has been posted here before or not but I came across this video a few days ago animating VPD enforcement on sex workers in Vancouver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gKafib7TN4

Will perhaps ease the minds of the nervous newbie ;)

Have fun and stay safe, everyone!
not sure this helps ease any minds of new johns: "the guidelines do not override any federal laws". crime has increased 1000%. johns are getting ripped off by crack addicts. johns will not report being ripped off due to the threat of prosecution.
 

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Actually the crime rate has gone down in the last many years. Violent crimes went up from last year but we have the Surrey on-going shootings due to low level drug wars to thank. The new Surrey mayor is pulling her out but then Surrey gets allocated another 100 officers to the detachment. That's the fact.
 

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That's great and everything, but I personally take offence to the stance that I'm being "victimized" and therefore the gent should be prosecuted, as if he is doing something TO me as opposed to WITH me. We are BOTH consenting adults.
Completely agree.
 

Claire Monet

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That's great and everything, but I personally take offence to the stance that I'm being "victimized" and therefore the gent should be prosecuted, as if he is doing something TO me as opposed to WITH me. We are BOTH consenting adults.
Hmm. That's not the message I gleaned from the video. Of course I don't want to be viewed as a victim either as I am an escort by choice.

I personally know a few people who work in law enforcement and from what I've heard from them has been that consenting adults aren't a focus of theirs, however if we had experienced abuse, theft (client not paying), or know of underage operations etc that they would take these things seriously.
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
a number of us worked for 12 years to see this policy implemented....it started with the exotic dancers experiencing police violence during "organized crime task force" operations...like the police entering the clubs ID'ing the patrons and workers....taking workers outside on the street in costume for public humiliation even going as far as demanding a dancer be fired and black listed when she tried to stand up for her rights....we even had a report of sexual assault by police....

we started going as a delegation to the police board in response to that

then, they raided 63 health enhancement centers to find "trafficking victims" before the 2010 olympics....they found none.....hundreds of women were arrested, jailed and deported....during these enforcement actions they would humiliate workers by entering the work rooms quickly, catching workers having sex with clients....not providing clothing...hand cuffing and throwing workers on the floor....their excuse for all this was that there might be "bombs" in the brothels....

these sorts of tactics did the most damage in terms of undermining trust in police....and contributes to why workers won't report violence...

after a number of years going as a delegation....we were invited to join the diversity advisory committee to the chief of police....

the after about a year of the DAC ....it became clear that the issues facing sex workers were to big to be combined with other marginalized groups in a common themed meeting....so the Sex Industry Worker safety Action Group was formed....

Dancers, PIVOT, PACE Society, WISH Drop in Center, Hustle _ male workers- BCCEC (me) and SWUAV ( DTES workers) and the police all worked together on a number of levels and took action in several areas including a study which proved that hallmark sporting events do NOT increase human trafficking and this policy.

the policy openly states that the VPD are not enforcing against consenting adults and also sets standards for treatment of sex workers during any enforcement action - such as giving workers blankets or letting them get dressed....

it was a long road

i can tell you i was nose to nose with police more than once....yelling and calling them out on their shit....

it was emotional and took a real emotional toll.

i tried to get other regions to engage in the same actions but they didn't believe it would work ... it did. when the new laws came down our police chief was the president of the canadian police chiefs association and appealed for others to apply a similar policy to vancouver in terms of non enforcement and how he believed the new laws would harm sex workers. they gave a submission to both the parliamentary and senate justice committees which said as much a committed to non enforcement no matter what the federal laws became.

they have been true to their word so far and are enjoying increased reporting and better intervention in cases of violence and exploitation.

the bottom line is, they want to help. they know because of the case of the missing women, that if they try to abolish prostitution....they will only succeed in killing sex workers....these open policies are the legacy of the women who died not only at the hands of canada's most prolific serial killer....but all those others who needlessly died as well...

sorry for the long winded report....a little history for people who are newer here....i tried to find the thread where i posted it when it first came out but it must have been lost in the change over of the board...

love susie
 
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Susie, you and your collaborators have done amazing work. Your determination has made such a real difference, and have set a progressive tone that gives one hope for the future. Thank you!
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
it was my honor to try to represent our community and work towards a safer future....

the Canadian Alliance for Sex Work Law Reform are still working hard and are moving into provincial talks....there maybe an opportunity for people to weigh in before the liberals begin work on c-36.....the alliance are a group of groups...if that makes sense...the BCCEC(me) are a member....they asked for information about our work recently and i am hoping that discussions will work through and revise our plans for OHS standards and decriminalization.....my experience is that the more people weigh in....the better the outcomes....

anyway, i will keep people posted as things progress.

love susie
 

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That's great and everything, but I personally take offence to the stance that I'm being "victimized" and therefore the gent should be prosecuted, as if he is doing something TO me as opposed to WITH me. We are BOTH consenting adults.
Strongly disagree!! I completely fail in seeing that :nono:. I see it as an organization trying to obtain a concrete, positive attitude of safety. Period. I think it's a fantastic video :thumb::thumb:

it was my honor to try to represent our community and work towards a safer future....

the Canadian Alliance for Sex Work Law Reform are still working hard and are moving into provincial talks....there maybe an opportunity for people to weigh in before the liberals begin work on c-36.....the alliance are a group of groups...if that makes sense...the BCCEC(me) are a member....they asked for information about our work recently and i am hoping that discussions will work through and revise our plans for OHS standards and decriminalization.....my experience is that the more people weigh in....the better the outcomes....

anyway, i will keep people posted as things progress.

love susie
Much thanks Susie! Your work has been nothing but epic and noticed by many here. I applaud your work :clap2:

If anyone on here has ever watch the V.P.D television series on city TV when it aired, you would know Susie is bang on regarding the V.P.D :thumb::clap2:
 

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I don't know if this has been posted here before or not but I came across this video a few days ago animating VPD enforcement on sex workers in Vancouver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gKafib7TN4

Will perhaps ease the minds of the nervous newbie ;)

Have fun and stay safe, everyone!


This was my first awareness and viewing of the video, and I was really impressed by it.


Significant was the line that "(sex work between consenting adults is not an enforcement priority)" (for VPD), and I get a sense that they are sincere about that.


When I read "animated", I didn't know what to expect, BUT I think that the 'gentle delivery' of the material just might inspire a few working girls to be more trusting in the VPD efforts at moments when those girls might need to trust the most.



And I think they put "the guidelines do not override any federal laws" mainly in order to save themselves in unforeseeable situations.


Sort of like the marijuana policies in Washington State do not override any federal laws... yet there hasn't really been any loud friction between the two.


But I generally applaud the video, and I'm impressed by the time it took, and the attention to little details.


That was a good effort by VPD !!
 

Claire Monet

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When I read "animated", I didn't know what to expect, BUT I think that the 'gentle delivery' of the material just might inspire a few working girls to be more trusting in the VPD efforts at moments when those girls might need to trust the most.
YES. Hopefully people reach out for help when they need it. We are very lucky in Vancouver to have so many powerful people on side with sex-workers advocating our rights.

Another one created by SWAN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt_IoIWE8Q0
 

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it was my honor to try to represent our community and work towards a safer future....

the Canadian Alliance for Sex Work Law Reform are still working hard and are moving into provincial talks....there maybe an opportunity for people to weigh in before the liberals begin work on c-36.....the alliance are a group of groups...if that makes sense...the BCCEC(me) are a member....they asked for information about our work recently and i am hoping that discussions will work through and revise our plans for OHS standards and decriminalization.....my experience is that the more people weigh in....the better the outcomes....

anyway, i will keep people posted as things progress.

love susie
Don't forget to take part in this survey.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?233731-Survey-www-street-to-screen-ca&highlight=

I'm surprised you haven't been promoting this here. I posted it on half a dozen boards across the country so people could participate. :)

And remember - you don't have to be part of an official advocacy group to make a difference. ;)
 

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Don't forget to take part in this survey.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?233731-Survey-www-street-to-screen-ca&highlight=

I'm surprised you haven't been promoting this here. I posted it on half a dozen boards across the country so people could participate. :)

And remember - you don't have to be part of an official advocacy group to make a difference. ;)
Speaking of the survey - it's in the news! UBC researchers want to know how people who buy and sell sex communicate with each other
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
i have received a few inquiries about this study and yes....it's legit....it's the same researcher as "john's voice".....they are ethical and will not compromise your confidentiality....

i did post it but as many others have pointed out....during recent crashes of the site...etc. some threads were lost
 

escapefromstress

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i have received a few inquiries about this study and yes....it's legit....it's the same researcher as "john's voice".....they are ethical and will not compromise your confidentiality....

i did post it but as many others have pointed out....during recent crashes of the site...etc. some threads were lost
One thing that really surprised me recently, was when I saw Chris' article on an ex-member of perb whose name I won't mention out of respect for him. It was a very uncomplimentary article that seemed to slam the VPD for not cracking down on this guy, and included so many details about his life, it sounded more like the article was written by a bitter, disgruntled sex worker trying to out someone, than by a university researcher.

Unless I misunderstood the intent of the article, Chris didn't come off sounding like a friend of the industry in his writing, and that puzzled me.
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
then why are you promoting his research? if you think he is anti sex work?

he is a friend to the industry, he has always been pro sex work and sex buyer. he is an ethical guy and his research speaks for itself
 

escapefromstress

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then why are you promoting his research? if you think he is anti sex work?

he is a friend to the industry, he has always been pro sex work and sex buyer. he is an ethical guy and his research speaks for itself
I didn't say I think he is anti-sex work.

I still promote his research because the fact I don't understand one of his articles doesn't negate all the positive work he's done for the industry. His article speaks for itself, as does the rest of his body of work.

I thought we might get some clarification from you about the article, since you have worked closely with Chris for many years.
 

escapefromstress

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YES. Hopefully people reach out for help when they need it. We are very lucky in Vancouver to have so many powerful people on side with sex-workers advocating our rights.

Another one created by SWAN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt_IoIWE8Q0
Vancouver really is lucky. Now that I spend most of my time on the TO boards, I notice a real difference in attitude towards the industry. Every city in Ontario has it's own bylaws regarding licensing and what types of Indy's, MP's and Agencies they'll allow to work there, and even Montreal is way less SP-friendly than Vancouver when it comes to law enforcement.

Whenever I see articles about PIVOT, PACE or anything about the BC industry, I post it on the TO boards so they can be inspired and hope for the same type of attitude by LE someday.
 
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