VOTE NO to Tran$Link tax
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Road user fees would be another option. Encourage people to shift to public transit and use the revenue gained to improve transit.
Road user fees may make sense for those commuters with options, or live and work within a specific "zone", but for those of us that require a vehicle to earn a living- enough is enough already. We pay enough additional gas tax already. I'm not opposed to bridge tolls to help fund better crossings to reduce congestion, but it ends there. Is there some guarantee that surface LRT or Skytrain service will ever be extended into the valley south of the river? Until then I vote NO on a transit tax add to sales and would encourage a property tax solution to the urban areas- Van, Bby, Rich, NVan, Coq., PoCo, Sry Central etc.- areas that receive more regular and scheduled service already. I'm sure I'm missing some highlights and details here, but in general I'm just frustrated to continually be drilled to pay for services that don't benefit me, and a system that allows- nay, promotes- fare evasion. Gas (and fuel tax), Impark fees, 3-zone fare into the city while you just KNOW that a good percentage of the riders in the train car haven't paid- sign me up to pay more please!
i'm just throwing in a correction here
a municipality's revenues don't automatically go up just because property values go up
the municipality establishes an annual budget and submits it to victoria. once the budget is approved, it goes back to the municipality, which then has to determine the total value of real estate contained in the municipality. that total value is divided into the annual budget, which establishes the 'mil' rate, then the property owner is taxed at the mil rate times his property value
for example:
annual budget = 1 million (we're talking small muni here
)
total property value = 100 million
mil rate = 1 million/100 million or 0.01
property owner has property worth 100 thousand
property owner's annual taxes = 100 thousand x 0.01 = 1,000
long story short... the taxes are budget driven, not property value driven
a municipality's revenues don't automatically go up just because property values go up
the municipality establishes an annual budget and submits it to victoria. once the budget is approved, it goes back to the municipality, which then has to determine the total value of real estate contained in the municipality. that total value is divided into the annual budget, which establishes the 'mil' rate, then the property owner is taxed at the mil rate times his property value
for example:
annual budget = 1 million (we're talking small muni here
)total property value = 100 million
mil rate = 1 million/100 million or 0.01
property owner has property worth 100 thousand
property owner's annual taxes = 100 thousand x 0.01 = 1,000
long story short... the taxes are budget driven, not property value driven
Has anyone bothered to view the projected upgrades to your area from the Mayor's Website?
http://mayorscouncil.ca/vote-yes/
South of the Fraser would enjoy mega upgrades if it went through. Other areas not so much.
If there were a more fair distribution of investments, great but another SeaBus and a few more buses won't do it for the North Shore.
I really had to dig for the Yes Campaign Website. Geez was this really an afterthought to get the URL's in people's face early. Then you find the No sides website at the top of the Google page. What does that tell you?
http://www.notranslinktax.ca
http://mayorscouncil.ca/vote-yes/
South of the Fraser would enjoy mega upgrades if it went through
. Other areas not so much.If there were a more fair distribution of investments, great but another SeaBus and a few more buses won't do it for the North Shore.
I really had to dig for the Yes Campaign Website. Geez was this really an afterthought to get the URL's in people's face early. Then you find the No sides website at the top of the Google page. What does that tell you?
http://www.notranslinktax.ca
OK, so you did see different places..... but WHY do you compare Vancouver Transit to worse places and not to the best ones.
it is like saying in a review.... ohh, she is good... she is better then some drunk druggie I pick on Hastings.
Lets compare her to the girl that is 10/10/10. Then, lets say... she is as good
As you said, Vancouver does pretty well ...
Here is the example when I really try to be green. ( once )
I had a project in Kits, so I decided to put my car away for a week.
Great, lets do it.... First a bus to go all the way down Lonsdale, then Seabus then Subway then another bus. Total riding time one way .... almost 90 minutes.
Total riding time in my car, 25-30 minutes even in a traffic.
I did it only once ....
Painful .... isn't it..
When ever I go downtown to an event with my friends ..it's way cheaper to drive and park with 4 people.
That depends Lo-ki
. Whenever I go downtown, it is for many hours. By sky train from Edmund Station to downtown, on average is between $5.50 - $7.00 return. $5.50 return on weekends. From Edmund to downtown estimated travel time....20 minutes. I can be downtown all day and pay no more than $7 max. Again, cheaper on weekends. If you plan on being downtown for hours on end, pay for parking and factor in wear and tear, the cost will surpass the cost of a sky train ticket. Even if you have 4 people in a car. Unless, there cheap places to park that I am unaware of in the downtown core? Of course, my example is being downtown for quite some time. Ps....Train tickets are even cheaper if you buy discounted pamphlets. This, of course, is out the window if I was on a date with a lady. Most definitely drive in that case lol
The amounts get thrown around so much they lose meaning and politicians treat our money like it's play money, but municipal governments are currently tossing away, burning, wasting SIX MILLION dollars on advertising trying to sway voters. And it's failing, but they keep pouring it on.
If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about how responsible they'll be with more money I don't know what does.
And remember, all the pushing Hepner and Robertson are doing isn't for free. They're each getting another $50,000 on top of their mayoral salaries for a part time gig with Translink.
If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about how responsible they'll be with more money I don't know what does.
And remember, all the pushing Hepner and Robertson are doing isn't for free. They're each getting another $50,000 on top of their mayoral salaries for a part time gig with Translink.
But how did you get to Edmonds station? Did you take into account the time to commute to the station and find (and pay for) parking; or do you bus to the station? If you live at Canada Way and Edmonds, you'd probably be able to get downtown and park quicker in a car. Coming home would be even quicker because you would not need to wait for a bus to complete your journey.That depends Lo-ki
Ps....Train tickets are even cheaper if you buy discounted pamphlets. This, of course, is out the window if I was on a date with a lady. Most definitely drive in that case lol
Lo-ki mentioned 4 people. Using your numbers, that would be $28 in transit fares. Evening parking downtown is much cheaper than that. Using Transit as a designated driver does make sense, regardless of costs in terms of dollars or time. But driving down with a bunch of buds in your own car is much more fun.
I am glad that it works for you.That depends Lo-ki
Ps....Train tickets are even cheaper if you buy discounted pamphlets. This, of course, is out the window if I was on a date with a lady. Most definitely drive in that case lol
May work if you are going to a place that is by a Sky Train station.
PNE was 20$ to park this summer.
The Penthouse Club 12$.
The Home and Garden show 21$.
If you calculate bus and Sky Trai fairs and time....way cheaper.
I am glad that it works for you.That depends Lo-ki
Ps....Train tickets are even cheaper if you buy discounted pamphlets. This, of course, is out the window if I was on a date with a lady. Most definitely drive in that case lol
May work if you are going to a place that is by a Sky Train station.
PNE was 20$ to park this summer.
The Penthouse Club 12$.
The Home and Garden show 21$.
If you calculate bus and Sky Trai fairs and time....way cheaper.
Not looking good for the Yessers if my street is any indication.
There are about 30 potential voters in my street including a real cross-section of owners, renters, students, retired people, new arrivals from Alberta and adult children.
Of the 19 I could reach there were - get this - 19 - No to 0 - yes. Holy shit. Some areas will probably vote opposite to this, but I thought we might have at least one person who leaned Yes.
People are just pissed at being treated like ATM's, I think.
There are about 30 potential voters in my street including a real cross-section of owners, renters, students, retired people, new arrivals from Alberta and adult children.
Of the 19 I could reach there were - get this - 19 - No to 0 - yes. Holy shit. Some areas will probably vote opposite to this, but I thought we might have at least one person who leaned Yes.
People are just pissed at being treated like ATM's, I think.
The politicians should put their asses on the line and do what we elected them to do: Make smart decisions that organize and deliver us a liveable city. This is not for the masses to decide. A waste of time and money. We need more transit. Just do it as efficiently as possible. It's inevitable. The only reason auto traffic congestion is not overkilling us is bikes and transit. The skytrain is a technological marvel. We need more innovative solutions like Uber to connect us to these hubs. LOL. BTW Uber is targeting Fed/X next. Letting government alone build this stuff and it will always be overly expensive. Kill all the politicians.
Not surprised...about the same in my neighbors.
People are pissed... see what happened to the HST..??
+1 on this.
Why can the "YES" side use my own tax dollars to campaign only against the side that I support.
The fact that all the mayors are on board and spending their municipal tax dollars on the "YES" advertising campaigns is as "Cock Throppled" has so wisely stated, all you need to know to convince anyone to vote a big fat "NO".
"Mayor Linda Hepner is standing behind the city's plan to spend between $200,000 and $300,000 on promoting the "Yes" vote in the upcoming TransLink plebiscite.
"The city is certainly committed to making sure this referendum has as much of a success at 'Yes' as possible because it is what is going to shape our community, both in rail and in transit service and other capital projects like walkways, bike paths and bridges," she said.
Hepner said the campaign is no different than municipal spending to advertise the importance of recycling food waste.
- See more at: http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/surrey-mayor-linda-hepner-defends-200k-taxpayer-bill-for-yes-transit-vote-1.1764533#sthash.CG4oE8W9.dpuf"
So to Hepner spending money to only support one side of a public referendum on taxation is like advertising the importance of recycling food waste .......... OK I'll let those on the "YES" side here defend this.
Maybe she can use the same rationale to spend $200,000 to $300,000 to support her re-election campaign cause you know it is just like advertising the importance of recycling food waste ............
Man no wonder the "NO" side only needs to raise $27,000 to advertise for the "NO" side cause as long as you have morons like Hepner around who needs to spend more money convincing people to vote "NO".
Doesn't this just about says it all ....... $27,000 - efficient and $6,000,000 inefficient.
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I'm voting no in the transit referendum.
Here is why. This is about TransLink. TransLink will run the projects. TransLink has two CEOs at once and has spent over 100 million dollars on a token system that does not work. This organization is not currently fit to run the system it has, never mind a larger system.
Our best course of action to reduce commutes and emissions would be to build high-density urban centres, so that everyone can walk or cycle to where they need to be. Urban sprawl and universities out in the forest or up on a hill are just not conducive to a green city. Every time a developer tries to build a large condo, there is protest because someone does not want to lose their view. Go for a walk, I guarantee you the mountains will be visible within two minutes, and you'll enjoy it more too.
We are the only major city in North America without a highway to downtown. This is the number 1 cause of our traffic jams - trucks on city streets. Transit will not reduce trucks.
The PST is a regressive sales tax that hurts everyone, especially those on limited income. The poorer you are, the more this tax hurts.
There is plenty more, but that's all I need to vote "no".
Here is why. This is about TransLink. TransLink will run the projects. TransLink has two CEOs at once and has spent over 100 million dollars on a token system that does not work. This organization is not currently fit to run the system it has, never mind a larger system.
Our best course of action to reduce commutes and emissions would be to build high-density urban centres, so that everyone can walk or cycle to where they need to be. Urban sprawl and universities out in the forest or up on a hill are just not conducive to a green city. Every time a developer tries to build a large condo, there is protest because someone does not want to lose their view. Go for a walk, I guarantee you the mountains will be visible within two minutes, and you'll enjoy it more too.
We are the only major city in North America without a highway to downtown. This is the number 1 cause of our traffic jams - trucks on city streets. Transit will not reduce trucks.
The PST is a regressive sales tax that hurts everyone, especially those on limited income. The poorer you are, the more this tax hurts.
There is plenty more, but that's all I need to vote "no".
