I don't know why there is so much hate on vip on the other thread. All I can do is offer the other side and opinions of things.
The only reason why I suspect that there is such a hate wagon is because most people have a hard time getting in and feel the need to bash what they can't have. I have been seeing them for YEARS now and consider myself a regular (safe to say I've seen 90% of they girls they bring in). And even I get ignored sometimes and find it hard booking an appointment. What that tells me is that they are already booked up and have a pool of clients to choose from and I simply have to wait my turn.
But there are also times where I can a response right away and my desired time is available. It's all about the luck of the draw. If they ignore you. Ignore them and try back some other time. Eventually you get a chance (I assume they have a spot they are wanting to fill) and will let you test the waters. Once you get your feet wet and the girls give you the "ok" (and yes. The girls do offer their input to the Mamasan or so I've been told). Then you get put into the client list and you are set.
It took me a while at first to get them to even respond to me and to take me on as a client. But once you do get in. Treat the girls with respect, get a good "grade" and earn yourself on the list.
For some this seems excessive. And I get that. But at the same time, it's the agencies reputation to the girls so they can assure them safe professional clients and not let in some scumbag that deters the girls from coming back or getting more girls.
I have heard of many stories about clients playing too rough, getting physical abusive, ripping off their condoms during doggy trying to sneak in bareback, stealing money, electronics and even shoes because the girl refused to sell them to him! I've heard from "happy ending girls" where clients wouldn't be content without full service and attempt to rape the girls, etc. So I don't blame am agency or independent one bit if they have an extensive vetting process.
I have seen "locals" who don't vet and 9 out of 10 times I feel completely ripped off.
You're lucky if:
-you don't get robbed
-dont walk into an absolute dump. With covid around I'm extra cautious. And even before covid. If they literally live in garbage, how hygienic and safe do you think they actually are being with you? I've even experienced "wet sheets from a different client" from a touring girl who got good reviews.
-shorted on time. I would pay for an hour and get 20 mins before "they" are done with you.
-drug use. Which means all they care about is getting the $$ to in order to get to the next high. Your health and safety and experienceis probably the last thing on their mind.
-and just overall substandard service. Make alot of promises only to not deliver. Fucks you for 3 mins and tries to Jack hammer handjob to finish.
-and of course your fake photos or filters to lure you in. Picture shows a 20 some year old girl with some meat on her bones. What you get is a 300lb American Walmart whale.
Onto VIP Pros:
-always clean and in a safe building/area. They had one location that was sketchy but they don't use that building anymore. Clean sheets, clean towels, mouth wash. Hygiene overall is on point in comparison to what I've experienced from some bad locals.
-always a shower before and after. And 9 out of 10 times you get a bbbj in the first shower.
-bonuses. A massage, cat bath where they lick you head to toe. BBBJ, CIM. Services others would charge more for are often included.
-always consistent service (it's nor good or bad sometimes. It's just consistent). I think of them like a franchise business like The Keg or McDonald's When you get in, it's the customer is always right attitude. Not the best steak or burger you would ever have. But it's consistent and you know what you are getting. Unlike rolling the dice with some of the local scene here. Doesn't disappoint and sometimes you'll be surprised with what they have to offer.
-overall a good quality of ladies they bring in. Some are absolutely mind blowing and you keep those memories with you forever. While others are just acceptable. Like another user posted. 95% of the time it's positive. I only recall one girl I felt ripped off by (just didn't seem like she wanted to be there and very mechanical). And the mamasan apologized for it. No I didn't complain, but when I tried to book a different girl on a different night, she was busy and she offered me the same girl. I said I wasn't pleased with her services last time and the Mamasan called right after making sure everything was alright.
-they might always not be great lookers. But I find that the service often makes up for it.
VIP Con:
-photoshopping. Pretty much everyone does that these days. And it's an industry standard for Asia. But there certainly times where I walk in and think "wtf". How much Photoshop was done? And how old are those pictures?!?
-lying about their age. The website always says 19 and I've seen some whom I think are pushing late 30's to 40's listed as 19. I read on the forums here and ppl think they are in their 20's. But since I'm Asian myself, I can tell (hands, neck, and overall how they present themselves). I'm in my 40's and people think I'm in my 20's. But I'm also aware that everybody lies about their age when advertising. But sometimes I think clients prefer a more mature woman and advertising them as a teen would backfire.
-hard to get in at times.
I am mostly writing this because we lack quality girls in this city. With Lorihouse MIA. We really don't have much in terms of options for Asians. Bashing an overall good agency at a time where business has taken a hit and I can only imagine how hard it would be for them to get girls coming into this city during a pandemic is not going to do us any good.
That is the exact reason why these bad locals think they can get away with it. Because without competition, they can ask what they want, give you shit service and still know you would come back because you don't have any options.
As for Alicia in particular. I've seen her a few times as she is a girl they cycle through into town. The first time was good. She even gave me a $20 Tim's card after the service. Kinda nice getting somewhat of a rebate back lol. But her services have been declining since the first. Especially compared to other vip girls. But still overall better compared to your average local.
I apologize for the long read. But I'm trying to cover all bases.
The only reason why I suspect that there is such a hate wagon is because most people have a hard time getting in and feel the need to bash what they can't have. I have been seeing them for YEARS now and consider myself a regular (safe to say I've seen 90% of they girls they bring in). And even I get ignored sometimes and find it hard booking an appointment. What that tells me is that they are already booked up and have a pool of clients to choose from and I simply have to wait my turn.
But there are also times where I can a response right away and my desired time is available. It's all about the luck of the draw. If they ignore you. Ignore them and try back some other time. Eventually you get a chance (I assume they have a spot they are wanting to fill) and will let you test the waters. Once you get your feet wet and the girls give you the "ok" (and yes. The girls do offer their input to the Mamasan or so I've been told). Then you get put into the client list and you are set.
It took me a while at first to get them to even respond to me and to take me on as a client. But once you do get in. Treat the girls with respect, get a good "grade" and earn yourself on the list.
For some this seems excessive. And I get that. But at the same time, it's the agencies reputation to the girls so they can assure them safe professional clients and not let in some scumbag that deters the girls from coming back or getting more girls.
I have heard of many stories about clients playing too rough, getting physical abusive, ripping off their condoms during doggy trying to sneak in bareback, stealing money, electronics and even shoes because the girl refused to sell them to him! I've heard from "happy ending girls" where clients wouldn't be content without full service and attempt to rape the girls, etc. So I don't blame am agency or independent one bit if they have an extensive vetting process.
I have seen "locals" who don't vet and 9 out of 10 times I feel completely ripped off.
You're lucky if:
-you don't get robbed
-dont walk into an absolute dump. With covid around I'm extra cautious. And even before covid. If they literally live in garbage, how hygienic and safe do you think they actually are being with you? I've even experienced "wet sheets from a different client" from a touring girl who got good reviews.
-shorted on time. I would pay for an hour and get 20 mins before "they" are done with you.
-drug use. Which means all they care about is getting the $$ to in order to get to the next high. Your health and safety and experienceis probably the last thing on their mind.
-and just overall substandard service. Make alot of promises only to not deliver. Fucks you for 3 mins and tries to Jack hammer handjob to finish.
-and of course your fake photos or filters to lure you in. Picture shows a 20 some year old girl with some meat on her bones. What you get is a 300lb American Walmart whale.
Onto VIP Pros:
-always clean and in a safe building/area. They had one location that was sketchy but they don't use that building anymore. Clean sheets, clean towels, mouth wash. Hygiene overall is on point in comparison to what I've experienced from some bad locals.
-always a shower before and after. And 9 out of 10 times you get a bbbj in the first shower.
-bonuses. A massage, cat bath where they lick you head to toe. BBBJ, CIM. Services others would charge more for are often included.
-always consistent service (it's nor good or bad sometimes. It's just consistent). I think of them like a franchise business like The Keg or McDonald's When you get in, it's the customer is always right attitude. Not the best steak or burger you would ever have. But it's consistent and you know what you are getting. Unlike rolling the dice with some of the local scene here. Doesn't disappoint and sometimes you'll be surprised with what they have to offer.
-overall a good quality of ladies they bring in. Some are absolutely mind blowing and you keep those memories with you forever. While others are just acceptable. Like another user posted. 95% of the time it's positive. I only recall one girl I felt ripped off by (just didn't seem like she wanted to be there and very mechanical). And the mamasan apologized for it. No I didn't complain, but when I tried to book a different girl on a different night, she was busy and she offered me the same girl. I said I wasn't pleased with her services last time and the Mamasan called right after making sure everything was alright.
-they might always not be great lookers. But I find that the service often makes up for it.
VIP Con:
-photoshopping. Pretty much everyone does that these days. And it's an industry standard for Asia. But there certainly times where I walk in and think "wtf". How much Photoshop was done? And how old are those pictures?!?
-lying about their age. The website always says 19 and I've seen some whom I think are pushing late 30's to 40's listed as 19. I read on the forums here and ppl think they are in their 20's. But since I'm Asian myself, I can tell (hands, neck, and overall how they present themselves). I'm in my 40's and people think I'm in my 20's. But I'm also aware that everybody lies about their age when advertising. But sometimes I think clients prefer a more mature woman and advertising them as a teen would backfire.
-hard to get in at times.
I am mostly writing this because we lack quality girls in this city. With Lorihouse MIA. We really don't have much in terms of options for Asians. Bashing an overall good agency at a time where business has taken a hit and I can only imagine how hard it would be for them to get girls coming into this city during a pandemic is not going to do us any good.
That is the exact reason why these bad locals think they can get away with it. Because without competition, they can ask what they want, give you shit service and still know you would come back because you don't have any options.
As for Alicia in particular. I've seen her a few times as she is a girl they cycle through into town. The first time was good. She even gave me a $20 Tim's card after the service. Kinda nice getting somewhat of a rebate back lol. But her services have been declining since the first. Especially compared to other vip girls. But still overall better compared to your average local.
I apologize for the long read. But I'm trying to cover all bases.
