Vancouver's an unfriendly place.............What do you think?

PlayfulAlex

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Originally posted by Jason_96: I'm guessing you're probably a woman and that you're pretty attractive.

Yes, I'm a woman...but, I'm talking about walking or running in the morning, ball cap, pony tail, just got out of bed, pre-shower, not a stitch of make-up... definitely not at my most attractive, and yet the people always smile and say Hi, when I greet them first!

Oh, and thanks, PapaC... :)
 

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Funny, but when I'm out to get exercise (ie jogging, biking, skating, whatever) I'm out to get exercise, not socialize (good chance I'm probably breathing hard and focusing on pushing the cardio - yea it is an annoyance and a difficulty to acknowledge people under that circumstance, not too mention I've got music in my ears, it's quite obvious I'm occupied and it's rude to try to grab my attention just to say "hello"). However if I'm walking my dog through a park or whatnot, yea come say hello, pat my dog, ask me about the weather; it's all good then.

It's like people who go to the gym to socialize, I wonder about their motivations.
 

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...It's like people who go to the gym to socialize, I wonder about their motivations.
I'm not talking about socializing...a simple nod, an acknowledgement...yep, we're all out here, enjoying this glorious rainy day...dumb shit that says, "Hello, fellow Earthling; enjoying life on Planet Earth? Have a good one!"

Is that: so difficult? demanding? inconvenient? asking too much? Nah...

Personally, I've found that it often seems to make that person's day, that someone was friendly...

 

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Yes, my preference when I'm out doing work is to be left in my little world. Why do I need to compromise to someone else's wishs, and why am I the "asshole" for not bending to their will when it goes against mine. I can understand that someone who is social cant see situations from others POV (ie people who like to keep to themselves), but when someone has earbuds in and is staring straight ahead you've got to have a clue.
 

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Yes, my preference when I'm out doing work is to be left in my little world. Why do I need to compromise to someone else's wishs, and why am I the "asshole" for not bending to their will when it goes against mine. I can understand that someone who is social cant see situations from others POV (ie people who like to keep to themselves), but when someone has earbuds in and is staring straight ahead you've got to have a clue.
Btw, people who are running/exercising with their earbuds on, and staring straight ahead, are giving a clear message that they wanna be left alone. And that should be honoured. Nobody said they were assholes. I think the comments initially were about whether or not Vancouverites were friendly.
 

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Personally I judge friendliness on chatting with people in line ups (tim hortons, stores, waiting for crosswalks etc..) or places where people tend to group up to wait for something (or sitting besides someone at a sporting event). These things I'm quite likely to not only respond to but initiate as well. Maybe it's jsut me, maybe I'm just grumpy as my shoulder hurts somewhat so I cant spend any time in the gym for a few days and jerking off makes it feel worse:fear:
 

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I find that when I'm out for a run or a walk, it's almost always the older folks that initiate a smile, a nod, or a hello.
As a fairly large person that can come across as being intimidating, as I've been reminded many times, I try and go out of my way to return the courteous nod or smile. Even more so when it's a hot chick coming my way. In yoga pants.
And even with the attractive women, I've never had someone not return a friendly acknowledgement.
 

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It's funny, the most talking done on public transportation on the night bus. Other than that, it's just people isolating themselves behind their 24/Metro papers and jacked into their ipods. Call it the hedgehog effect if you will.

If you want rude you should go down to Richmond. That is where shit gets real, especially for the driving. Considering the growing dissocation between rich and poor, there seems to be more and more isolation occurring within social circles. In essence the article hits right on point. New immigrants (especially students) are staying in their own little cliques while closing off the doors of opportunity for interacting and integrating with Canadian society. People are going to get frustrated by this, especially when spacing and housing becomes even more constrained.

Does anyone else notice the articles running the Sun combine the lack of social interaction with the influx of student immigrants studying in canada (ex. buying their way through school) and the nouveau rich Asian individuals jacking up residential house prices?

For people to be more open in this city, it just takes a major sporting event to rile people up (whether good or bad). It's just a matter of time before that spark finally ignites.
 

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Like most vancouverites I am a transplant, and I would characterize this as a pretty cold city. I like it here but making friends can be a long and arduous process. Like most big cities, you can expect a certain amount of rudeness, but the stand-offishness is quite striking for me. I remember a business trip I took in the interior, where I ended up in a line at a Starbucks in Vernon, and had 3 different people start conversations with me. The memory stays with me because it was such an atypical experience and nothing like that has ever happened to me in Vancouver.
 

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Sorry to hear you are in a wheelchair, how can you stand up with no spine?
So you suggest further aggravating some mindless troglodyte, with obvious issues, while you are acting as the sole caretaker for two young children? For what? Self-satisfaction? Some barbaric sense of justice? Respect?

Given the option here of "having a spine," or half a brain. I'm sorry to say I’m going to have to choose the brain.
 

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I agree with BJ, it really depends where you are, if you are running the sidewalk in Whalley I am sure you'd get a very different reaction...

but i digress, What is with all these out of towners coming here to smear our good name!

Greatest City on Earth .. AMEN!
lol... if yer running down the sidewalk in whalley, folks are diving behind trucks to get out of the way of the gunfire that no doubt will soon be aimed at you!! :pound:
 

J-Dogg

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Sorry, let me clarify my position. I am referring to the shift towards social isolation in Vancouver. The problem is not of being wealthy. It's how individuals need to create dialogue with each other to remove racial bias and presumptions. It is important to retain heritage, but not at the cost of isolation. It is a trend toward apathy, especially by the younger generation.

There is a degree of bias against Asian students by professors and teachers (especially first year University English) because of the presumption of poor literary skills. Blame it on the teacher's impatience for not using appropriate instructing techniques that allow for Non-English speaking students to comprehend and understand.

I agree with your statement regarding immigrants. Immigrants are the lifeblood of a country's ideas, economy, and culture creating jobs, and business. Without them, Canada would be left behind without new and old innovators and entrepreneurs. However, it is becoming rarer and rarer to see individuals willing to step outside cultural boundaries (even their own personal boundaries), especially the post-90's generation. As the saying goes, "Wealth is lost on the Third generation". When have you seen a cross-cultural event like Gung Haggis Fat Choy started up by young individuals?

The older (first) generation of immigrants (and older people as well) are more amiable and willing to converse, no matter where you are or who you are talking to. What I am referring to is certain immigrant children who in no way attempt to venture outside of their ethnic identity. They are purely narcissistic, caring only about themselves and their hedonism, treating Vancouver like their own personal playground. These individuals stay within their own sheltered comfort zone, which creates a ripple effect to encourage a widespread of cultural isolation. Because of that, there is limited dialogue created which could bridge the gap between Canada and other cultures. There is the crossing of cultural lines from CBC's and other -born in Canada individuals, but even within this you can sense the division between second generation immigrants and their overseas counterparts from social groups to recreational activities. This is not an isolated incident. The recent wave of Chinese immigrants giving birth in Hong Kong has set off a chain of hostility (between both mainlanders and Hong Kongers). The mainlanders want the same health and education benefits that Hong Kongers receive for their children, while Hong Kongers want to protect their social financial costs (hospitals, health care, education, etc). Again, people are quick to judge, hate, and close their minds to focus only on the short term solution/problem at hand.

Nevertheless, I agree with you, it is just takes some bad apples to ruin the whole barrel.

So I propose this compromise: Vancouver's cold attitudes stem from the actions of individuals rather than cultural origins. With each individual acting for his or her own self-interest, society as a whole becomes selfish and apathetic. While there are some deviants leaning towards negative attitudes (narcissism, racism), overall Vancouver is a beautiful place to live, from its scenes, to the nightlife. The many times I have traversed back on the night bus was where individuals became more open to conversation, and the people most friendly. Everyone found a common ground. So could there be a spark used in a positive way to open dialogue instead of closing it? Vancouver can be a more open city, as evidenced during the 2010 Olympics, with everyone becoming united towards Canada's success. However, like any other city, we do have a dark side. We become so caught up with the hassles of daily life that we forget to look at the big picture.

Just take this lesson from an old social experiment of Universe 25, which resulted in the eventual collapse of rodent society from John B. Calhoun.

http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php

Is this the future Vancouver (and the world) is heading for? The Sun's article only grazes the tip of the iceberg. Even with the abundance of resources (though quickly dwindling) available, the mice in the experiment ended up either psychotic/violent or apathetic (akin to Nero fiddling while Rome burned). Space is slowly becoming limited in Vancouver and its Metro areas (albeit not as bad as India or Hong Kong's skyscaper city). The question of when will the population hit the critical threshold to cause societal collapse?

Society can indeed change, but it takes time. I fear we do not have enough time left.
 

violetblake

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I do have to say that Vancouvers out n about women are unfriendly and snobs.
I've heard this a lot, but there's two sides to every story. Since I moved here, I've definitely had more experiences with rude men then back home. Not like it never happened in my hometown, but it was less than here. Not sure why that is, but something I've noticed for sure. So for some girls it may be a matter of just plain snobbery, but for a lot they've been conditioned to be weary of potential douchebags lol. It's too bad nice guys like you get shut out cause of some bad apples!
 

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May I ask those of you saying this place is unfriendly that do you initiate a "friendly nod or thumbs up" and get a cold shoulder back or wait to see it happen and then when nothing happens complain about it?

Frankly, every time I've given a friendly hello or smile I'm rarely not returned the same. Even when I take the effort to hold the door open that extra bit longer behind me I get a thank you. What I think Vancouverites have is a sense of positivity about their environment and other people. When you're not prepared to be positive or friendly yourself they can see it a mile away.

Traveling is something I do quite a bit. Are there more friendly places? Sure. Are there more unfriendly places -- haha you have no idea. I wouldn't even put Vancouver in the bottom 10 percentile of unfriendliness in how far down you can actually go on the scale.
 

Sleepmonger

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On many occasions I've received a brief period of eye contact, yet no verbal response, following the "hello" after entering an elevator or meeting someone at a place you would commonly exchange such basic pleasantries.

I will admit though, that people in Vancouver will generally go out of their way to open and hold doors for people.
 
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