Vancouver Vice Out!!! Advice Plz

[CAESARS]

sounds a bit hinky to me.

Communicating for the purpose of prostitution is a summary conviction offence. At no time are fingerprints or photographs taken for a summary conviction offence. Summary convictions carry a maximum 6 month jail term(rarely imposed), a $2000.00 fine, or both. Most likely the judge would give you a lecture and impose a $500.00 and remind you to not do it again. The offender does not receive a formal criminal record, nor are fingerprints or photographs taken. Fingerprinting and photographing of individuals are only permitted for indictable offences and this is not an indictable offence.

Chances are it wouldn't even be prosecuted.

 

[necko]

got busted once

went to a lawyer his free advice was to plead not guilty, ask for time to get a lawyer, this will give 90 days to decide what to do

 

[wilde]

Contrary to most of the advices in this thread, mine is to just cut your losses and goto the John school. Yes, they may drop the charges if you hire a good lawyer..... blah, blah, blah. But if it does goto trial, based on what you said in your 1st post, you WILL be convicted. You were caught in a sting for Christ's sake, you can hire Johnnie Cochran (a bit hard now seeing as he is dead and all) and you would still lose. Now instead of your name being in some database, congratulations, you get a freaking conviction as well as a criminal record to go with it.

To all those who keep insisting on hiring a lawyer, give your head a shake. It reminds me when I took my first law class, there were these yahoos asking all class if they could fight a traffic ticket in court by hiring the best lawyer....., etc. The reply form the lecturer was "of course you can, but what's the point."

 

[rebeccaryder]

My Professional Advice

Okay, I hear this time and time again about gentlemen being snagged by a undercover police officer, then be told to go to John School. I have had lots of experience with LE in this situation. Here is some advice hope it helps people to avoid being forced into a ridiculous situation.

1) Before you do anything even asking the girl, if she has a place or anything ask her to get into the vehicle and drive around the block to decide what the two of you will do - - if she will not say GOODBYE!!
Chances are she is LE. They will never get into your vehicle because their buddies are around watching them for her security.

2) If she is very aggressive and pushing you to provide information about what you want and if you are ready right away without talking to you a little bit first, that should be a sign of a problem.
Problem A - - She is LE looking for a quick bust.
Problem B - - She is a rushed lady with no common courtesy. Chances are if she is not LE and is rushed in talking imagine what service would be like.

3) If and when you spot a lady you would like to pick up drive around the blocks a few times where she is standing sometimes as far away as 3 and look for ghost cars and anything uneasy feeling. IF you have a feeling in your stomach go with it. Chances are something is wrong.

4) If she is standing all by herself and looking uneasy and unsure, or dressed different either way tooo extreme or way too conservative chances are she is LE. Try to spot a girl you have seen around a few times, they usually don’t use the same female officer over and over!

5) Stick to SW'S that you know and recognize. That is always a sure way to be safe of call a quality SP that you know.

6) Happy Cruising.

I hope this helps as I have personal experience in/and watching these kind of situations happen all the time. I find that the LE in Calgary were more persistent in charges than the LE here in Vancouver.

And as for the lawyer, my advice get one!! Who wants to pay 500 for registration and then attend counseling? I hear its not one on one that it’s some sort of group seminar or something...totally ridiculous.

 

[wilde]

And as for the lawyer, my advice get one!! Who wants to pay 500 for registration and then attend counseling? I hear its not one on one that it’s some sort of group seminar or something...totally ridiculous.

Here we go again...... Hiring a lawyer for $300 and up an hour to avoid paying $500 to goto John's school and quite possibly getting a criminal record as a result is the advice. Ever heard of cost benefit analysis? I guess not.

 

[lickalotapus]

Solicitation charges are total BS... think of it as paying the lawyer a "stupid tax" for being so dumb... As soon as you get a competent lawyer and show the crown that your serious about not laying down on a conviction, they'll drop the charge or probably work a deal where you dont plead guilt but pay a fine of some sort...

On the positive side, your off scott free and not in their stupid D.I.S.C. database ( remember, get the damn polaroid !! ). And are "below" the VPD's radar so to speak.

Here's a scenerio for you guys to ponder, say some "Pickton" type of guy goes on the rampage again and the VPD decides their gonna contact everyone they've collared in their D.I.S.C. database trolling for suspects, would you like to be on that list? You'd think that paying a lawyer a thousand bux was a pretty good deal then eh? Bet you you wouldn't want to be in some database huh? Didn't thinks so.....

Don't think about the money in the short term, think long term.. so, imho the cost benefit analysis proves the following:

paying a good lawyer > going to JOHN school

KTHXBYE!!!

 

[wilde]

Solicitation charges are total BS... think of it as paying the lawyer a "stupid tax" for being so dumb... As soon as you get a competent lawyer and show the crown that your serious about not laying down on a conviction, they'll drop the charge or probably work a deal where you dont plead guilt but pay a fine of some sort...

I am sorry but that's not how plea bargaining works.

Here is something for you to consider. The prosecutor usually works out a deal when there is some doubt whether the charges will stick or to avoid a lengthy and expensive trial. In this case, Shadyona was caught in a sting. If the undercover cop shows up at trial, this case is a slam dunk. No lawyer no matter how competent he is will be able to beat the charge once it goes to trial. Imagine the prosecutor is a bit over zealous or may be he is up for promotion. The prosecutor is thinking we gave this a$$hole a chance to goto John school and let it go. Now he thinks he can hire some lawyer and beat the charge AND the John School. Think again.....

 

[Damien Jones]

Better safe than sorry...

Shadyona

Just make sure you check with a lawyer to get a legal opinion before you go throwing the piece of paper away. None of us here are lawyers; do yourself a favour and get legal counsel before you do irreparable damage to yourself.

Unless you can beat it for sure, John School without a record is better than being the proud owner of a record. You may not be able to travel to certain countries including the US (I think) and you do not want this to show up, if a prospective employer is doing background check, which more and more companies are doing these days.

Damien

 

[williewheeler]

good advice!

I am sorry but that's not how plea bargaining works.

Here is something for you to consider. The prosecutor usually works out a deal when there is some doubt whether the charges will stick or to avoid a lengthy and expensive trial. In this case, Shadyona was caught in a sting. If the undercover cop shows up at trial, this case is a slam dunk. No lawyer no matter how competent he is will be able to beat the charge once it goes to trial. Imagine the prosecutor is a bit over zealous or may be he is up for promotion. The prosecutor is thinking we gave this a$$hole a chance to goto John school and let it go. Now he thinks he can hire some lawyer and beat the charge AND the John School. Think again.....

Wilde has given the best "legal" advice I've seen in this thread. And Damien, what makes you think "none of us here are lawyers"? At least a couple of posters including Wilde have referred to attending law classes; do you think lawyers don't poon?

 

[CAESARS]

Shadyona- Were you charged or only given the info for John school? Has the officer been in contact with you since? Charges can only be laid for a summary conviction within six months of the alleged offence. Did you sign anything?

 

[Shadyona]

Shadyona- Were you charged or only given the info for John school? Has the officer been in contact with you since? Charges can only be laid for a summary conviction within six months of the alleged offence. Did you sign anything?

No I haven't been charged, just told to go to the John School or Get charged.
I haven't signed anything either, but that doesn't mean jack. I think I'm gonna just go to the Damn John School. I corresponded with a lawyer via email, told hime exactly what happend. His advice: go to john school.

Still not 100% on what I'm gonna do. Just left it on the back burner for know like the rest of my problems...

 

[jabelar]

Okay, they are mainly out there to scare Johns. Just like people who get caught in speed traps, if you go to court to contest the charge the cop rarely even shows and the charges are dropped completely. You think cops can be effective if they have to show up in court for every petty criminal they come across? One night of stings could end up with them in court every day for a month!

Our legal system, that is the cops, the prosecutors, and the judges simply don't have the time or will to work on stuff like this.

I actually think the cops do this mostly for publicity sake. Maybe some think they are helping people, and maybe some just get a kick out of dressing their female coworkers up like hookers.

But really, that low track area is commercial, with no shops open at night, and so no one at all is being disturbed by any activity that may happen there. I understand trying to clean up Kingsway, but that area just seems like the place they would WANT the streetwalkers to be ...

Now, if John School actually teaches guys how to be better at pooning, then maybe it would be worth going.

 

[CAESARS]

Shadyona

A wise choice. Some things just aren't worth the fight, more so when the odds are against you to begin with. Good Luck!

 

[playa]

well,,, i was a stupid idiot and got busted down in the low tracks area the other evening. Don't know what I was thinking driving through there on the way home from work.

The SP I talked to was obviously with the cop because she asked me what I wanted and I stupidly named a price and service I would like.... then 2 cop cars swooped in on me. Pulled me out, read me my rights, searched my car, chatted with me for a bit then gave me a court date. I'm just relieved they didn't take me downtown. They let me go and said if I didn't appear in court I would have a warrant. I am glad they let me go because I started thinking that I'd have to get a friend to bail me out or something and that would really suck.

Now the court appearance ticket they gave me said I am not yet charged with an offense. I am praying that because this was my first time being arrested they will let me off. I'll probably just plead guilty as I would think since its a first offence and I'm pleady guilty they would be light on me.
Anyone here have experience with this??? thanks

 

[nube]

next time negotiate in the car..drive around the block with the sw...if she doesnt go in your car...get out of there..she's a le

I have read somewhere on this board that the law considers the car to be a public place. So even if she got in and you negotiated you'd be busted. I think the reason that she doesn't get in the car is because she doesn't have to or want to. Most cruisers will still negotiate even if she doesn't get in, and secondly getting in may put her in harms way if a police chase is on.

I think I would go to john school, the rest of the hassle isn't worth it, AND there are no guarentees you would win. There is a move to get rid of johns, so if the guy isn't willing to 'correct' his devient ways - the courts will be less forgiving for sure.

 

[Enchanted One]

Different in the States

A word to the wise:

Many people believe that if you ask someone "Are you a cop?", and they are, then they have to tell the truth, or else it's entrapment. This is a MYTH. The police are allowed to use trickery in their work, and it takes more than posing as a SP to be entrapment.

That said, it would be worth your while investing a little bit of money to at least consult a criminal lawyer to see where you stand.

The laws are different in Canada. This degree of entrapment is NOT illegal
in Canada. It is in the States, where they are obligated to say they are a
cop if you ask them.

 

[PoorGuy]

One piece of advice I heard a veteran perb cruiser give was once the SW is in your vehicle, is to "check" each other.

As in, ask her to grope your crotch while you grope hers or give her breasts a squeeze.

 

[Sonny]

No point fighting a lost cause - just a WOT and $$$$$$$$$$$$$. You got caught, that's it. I agree that LE chasing johns of SWs is a waste of taxpayers' dollars, but there's nothing that can be done. Sorta like the strap in the old elementary school... just get it over with and move on.

 

[Nickthenoob]

Really though...you're looking for non-drug infested sw's and she says twenty and you say bj... Wasn't there but it would have been a logic light for me.

Ntn