we dont have rights we are cattle the taser is the cattle prod. move or get zapped. i beleieve the term is called Pain Compliance.
Vancouver Transit police with tasers
- Thread starter SilkyJohnson
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only bad news make news. where are the links that shows the police taking all the necessary approach and taking down an armed suspect with a taser?
"Put down the peanut butter, the suspect is severly allergic to peanuts"
lol, sorry, couldn't resist
A Glock is going to kill someone anyway.
And how do you know what their pre-existing condition is going to be? Have them wear it on their wrist with big bold lettering?
Panther
I had one of the Transit Cops, in a car, turn on its flashing lights on me. When I rolled down my window to find out wtf, the cop told me to fix my tail light.
The guy was probably waiting all week to get a chance to do that! I hope he got the validation he needed. He was probably walking around with a boner for the rest of the day.
Ass wipe.
Probably the same reason why these guys are trigger happy on the tazer.
The guy was probably waiting all week to get a chance to do that! I hope he got the validation he needed. He was probably walking around with a boner for the rest of the day.
Ass wipe.
Probably the same reason why these guys are trigger happy on the tazer.
Absolutely. In those situations that are extremely rare then yes, they're violating your rights and you have something to worry about. But are you going to try to get away from the police or try fighting them with a taser or a glock in their hand? Same rule applies. Listen to them, do what they say for your own and their safety and it will all be over soon. If your rights have been violated you can lodge a complaint with the Police Complaints Commissioner. It won't get you far but, besides having numerous bystanders as witnesses, it's your only avenue of hope.
People, we're not living in Mexico where the police are corrupt and will shake you down for money and beat you up and taser you for kicks. Typically you have nothing to worry about with 99% of our police officers and, more and more, brains over brawn are a desired quality when hiring officers. They train them to deal with situations with as little force as necessary. It's a business decision. Police brutality costs the department a lot of money in investigative and legal costs. Therefore, recruits who are predisposed to violence when it comes up in the thorough pre-employment background investigation are not hired because the potential for them costing the department money in compensatory damages is just too great. The men and women who are hired in today's Canadian police forces are of excellent characters. They wouldn't be there if they weren't.
Panther
Nice suggestion. And in a perfect world every cop would be able to take down a potentially armed, agitated, mentally unstable and high on coke suspect with a joint lock. But that's not reality and probably only happens in the movies.
The reason they use deadly or less than deadly force with someone who presents a threat or is not complying is because the risk of them producing a dangerous weapon are too great, and it doesn't take long to get it out of a pocket or a bag.
Best to put out the fire before it spreads and gets worse.
Panther
Right! And you never know if someone has asthma, so cops shouldn't have capsicum spray. And who knows HOW many people have social anxiety?! Cops shouldn't be allowed to speak harshly to them.
Should cops be allowed to use CN and CS gas? Those are tear agents, and they can cause vomiting, choking and even death for people who have respiratory problems.
So if we take capsicum spray and tasers out of the hands of the cops, so they're left with voice, hands, baton and gun, and a cop has to shoot someone with their firearm because using the baton would've put the cop's life at unacceptable risk, you'll be the first to vocally defend the police officer, right GoodKat?
If the answer is "no" and you still expect Other People to be police officers and protect YOUR backside, you'll be one of those contemptible people who sit there complaining that "someone should DO something!" As long as it's not you.
Just sayin'.
If a cop has to shoot someone, I have no problem with that. It's cops using tasers and pepper spray as a first resort instead of verbal deescalation and open hand tactics that bothers me.
We're going in circles Goodkat, and we've already taken up 9 pages of a thread last fall on the same exact subject. It's almost as if you don't read nor want to read other people's posts.
These are incidents where the suspects have been told to comply. Police presence should be enough for most people. That's their first line of defence. They don't. On top of that they run away or try to fight with police. They are given ample warnings to surrender. They don't comply and they get tasered.
Verbal de-escalation is useless because some of these idiots don't listen too well. Plus there is the risk that they have a weapon hidden. I wouldn't take a chance when they've already fought or attempted to fight or have tried to get away. They are getting away BECAUSE they have something to hide, most likely on their person and very often it's a weapon.
The other people the police encounter (and I sound like a broken record) are people with serious mental health issues who are determined to fight police using violent means or who want to be killed by police.
Others are extremely high on drugs. Have you ever witnessed someone agitated after a three day coke binge and now is in cocaine psychosis? You'd proabably call the cops. These people will not listen to any commands the police give them and they will NOT go peacefully. Best option IMHO is to shoot them dead, to protect the lives of officers and the public and be rid of another drug addict. But because we have so many bleeding fricking hearts in this country the police were introduced in 2002 to a less-than lethal means to combat these pilgrims of society. What more do people want? It is by far the best means of subduing people who don't or won't comply. Why is it so hard for people to comply?!?!
Hand to hand combat again puts an officer's life at risk, and it's not his fault he's there to begin with. Too many risks involved with hidden weapons that could be pulled out during the struggle or leading up to the struggle, the officer's own weapons could be taken away from him and used on him, or worse on innocent bystanders.
If someone is allergic or unhealthy or high on drugs then maybe his gut instinct should be to comply with police and if he doesn't well expect anything and too bad if you die as a result. Officer safety as well as the public's is more important than some criminal or idiot up to no good.
If these are your only suggestions then it shows me you have no idea what police go through every day.
Panther
Mods: don't you ban people for disrespectful comments? Like this.
This isn't exactly a well thought out comment.
P.S. Is silky a girl? Sounds like one. Because I don't want to get in a pissing match with a girly girl.
I don't have the saint-like patience that Pantherdash has, so I'm not going to bother explaining it to you in detail. I do suggest that you educate yourself on the reality of policing and what it is that peace officers have to go through every day. You'll likely come away surprised at your own initial ignorance.
What are you - Jackie Chan? Why would a cop want to get in a fist fight with a crackhead or a PCP freaker? At a minimum they could end up hurt
and on disability . If a person isn't cooperating with the cops, they should expect a beating. And I bet (except when it kills ya
) a tazing or pepper spray actually hurts a lot less the next day than a nightstick in the face. I will concede that the Polish guy in the airport story was excessive and brutal, but for the average crackhead ... let her rip.
Just sayin'.
You'd win that bet. Capsicum spray can be washed out of the eyes, and the effects wear off after several minutes anyways. You'll feel a mild sting after the first while, but it's a far cry from the initial Oh-My-God-I'm-Dying shock.If a person isn't cooperating with the cops, they should expect a beating. And I bet (except when it kills ya
I've never been tazed, but peace officers who are trained to use tasers *are* tazed so they know what it feels like. All reported that it just drops you to the ground and the pain is excruciating if only momentary. For the vast majority of tasings there is no significant residual pain a few hours later.
As for batons:
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Peace officers use the 26" version. Tactical batons are made from the same alloys that are used to construct airframes. They're relatively light, tough, and very very painful. Officers are trained to not aim for the head or neck area, as a strike there has a high chance of being fatal. If you're struck on a nerve bundle, you will drop like a sack of potatoes.
No question, on both counts.
I suggest you, panther and d_duck do the same. The National Use of Force Framework is a good start.
http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/issues/102004/PDFS/page132_fig3.pdf
d_Duck i'm a man u dipshit
so police shouldnt put themsleves in danger? especially with wrestling guy to ground or whatever. the job byitself is dangerous if u dont want that then DONT BE A COP. Tasers are pain compliance for CATTLE are u a sheep?
p.s. does it still say "to pretect and serve" on police cars? protect and serve who?
so police shouldnt put themsleves in danger? especially with wrestling guy to ground or whatever. the job byitself is dangerous if u dont want that then DONT BE A COP. Tasers are pain compliance for CATTLE are u a sheep?
p.s. does it still say "to pretect and serve" on police cars? protect and serve who?
