Vancouver Canucks Season Is All Over

[mercyshooter]

Finally, the Vancouver Canucks golfing season has arrived! The Ducks eliminated the Canucks!

Shame on Canucks' management team! Worthless season tickets after the trade deadline!

 

[manni]

the season was over in January with the consecutive losses.
huge disappointment is all I have to say.

 

[badbadboy]

Only problem is they weren't shitty enough to get a really good draft pick.

Then again, the Canucks have never been very good at picking first round picks.

It must have been a humbling experience to Gillis last night listening to the chant "Fire Gillis". IMHO he is not the ONLY problem with the franchise now. The ownership group should stay the fuck out of the hockey operations and let the GM & Coaching staff do their thing. Retooling this summer will be interesting.

 

[badbadboy]

Just in - Gillis Fired!

 

[fishl8r]

Thank God! I didnt think Aq owners would write cheq and do it. But Gillis has made too many blunders and weakened a solid franchise.

 

[87112]

I think Gillis is set for life already with the Canucks paying him millions for the next few years, so this stuff is like fantasy land to me.

 

[uncleg]

I think Gillis is set for life already with the Canucks paying him millions for the next few years, so this stuff is like fantasy land to me.

.............and that's why I don't follow hockey, this sort of shit..................:nod:

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Just in - Gillis Fired!

THANK YOU JEEBUS! I can start following the 'Nucks again.

 

[Lo-ki]

****GO HABS GO****

 

[manni]

Gillis…YOU'RE FIRED!
I have a hunch Torts is next after the last game.
it will be a lesson that the Aquilinis can't afford to repeat.
so…who's in line for the next GM?

get Nicholls on the line.

 

[peter putter]

...
I have a hunch Torts is next after the last game.
....

It will cost them up to 8 million to dump Torts so I don't think that will happen this year. Besides, Italians stick together which is why Gillis was over ruled about him in the first place.. *braces for politically correct police to strike*

 

[badbadboy]

Gillis…YOU'RE FIRED!
I have a hunch Torts is next after the last game.
it will be a lesson that the Aquilinis can't afford to repeat.
so…who's in line for the next GM?

get Nicholls on the line.

New GM's like having their own guy running the bench. I don't see Torts lasting til next October.

 

[peter putter]

Not surprising but unfortunate Gillis got shit-caned. Gillis' 6 years in Vancouver were the best years in Canucks history. 5 division titles, 2 president's trophies and being a game from winning the cup isn't bad. He deserved at least one more year to correct things. But the writing was on the wall when Aquilini went over his head and hired Tortorella. Then he was told to trade either Schneider or Lunongo at the draft. So he did. And when he had a trade with Pittsburgh for Kesler, Aquilini vetoed that too. Trading Luongo out of the blue when Lack was playing well sounds more of a fan boy Owner whoo listens to team 1040 than a move from a GM move.

Now after a night of chants of "fire Gillis" he's gone because season ticket sales are down? If Aquilini is going to drink the fandom Kool-Aid, the Canucks are going to be reliving the mid 80's for a very, very long time.

Could not have said it better

 

[badbadboy]

Do you really think that the Canucks have had a great drafting record since 1970?

Hmmm not very good at first round picks hmmm. Let's see all those top 5 picks the canucks. Most top 5 picks are considered by most scouting staffs as being no brainers. Picks #6. to #30 are considered as great to good prospects since scouting is not an exact science and we don't have the benefit of a crystal ball or20/20 hindsight or a time machine.

1970 1st draft Dale Tallon at #2 lost the expansion coin flip with buffalo. Buffalo took Gilbert Perrault
1971 Joceyln Guevermont #3 after Montreal #1 took Guy Laflleur and Detroit took Marcel Dionne at #2. Buffalo took Rick Martin at #5
1972 Don Lever #3 Islanders took Billy Harris at #1 Atlanta took Jacques Richard at #2 Montreal took Steve Shutt at #4. Buffalo took Jim Schoenfeld at #5.
1973 Dennis Ververgaerte at #3. After Islanders took Dennis Potvin at #1 and Atlanta took Tom Lysiak at #2. Toronto took Lanny MacDonald at #4

1974 No first round pick - lost in trade
1975 No pick in the top 5. Picked Rick Blight at #10
1976 No first round pick - lost in trade.
1977 we picked Jere Gillis at #4
1978 we picked Bill Derlago at #4. Mike Gillis (yes our ex-GM was selected by Colorado at #5)
1979 we picked Rick Vaive at #5
1980 we didn't have a top 5 pick but we got Rick Lanz at #7
1981 we didn't have a top 5 pick but we got Garth Butcher at #10
1982 no top 5 pick at #11 we got Michel Petit
1983 no top 5 pick at #9 we took Cam Neely

In this group Vaive, Butcher, Ververgaerte and Derlago were middle of the road performers. I liked Butcher as a dependable defenceman. Neely! Let's not go there. That was our shining star and we got a wounded one armed Barry Pedersen in return.

1984 Pittsburgh took Mario Lemieux at #1. We didn't have a top 5 pick but took JJ Daigneault at #10
1985 we took Jim Sandlak at #4
1986 we didn't have a top 5 pick. At #7 we took Dan Woodley
1987 our #3 pick was dealt to Boston who selected Glen Wesley no other first round pick that year
1988 we selected Trevor Linden at #2 overall
1989 we didn't have a top 5 pick at #7 we took Jason Herter.

In this group obviously Sandlak and Linden were the only decent ones. More so with Linden.

1990 we selected Petr Nedved at #2 overall
1991 we didn't have a top 5 pick but selected Alex Stojanov at #6. Peter Forsberg was selected at #6 by Quebec. Markus Naslund was selected at #19 by pittsburgh. (We traded for |Naslund)
1992 no top 5 pick #21
1993 no top 5 pick #20
1994 no top 5 pick #13 Mattius Ohlund
1995 no first round pick. - Alex mogilny trade
1996 no top 5 pick #12
1997 no top 5 pick #10
1998 we selected #4 overall Bryan Allen
1999 we selected #2 Daniel Sedin and #3 Henrik Sedin
2000 no top 5 pick selected #23
2001 no top 5 pick selected #16
2002 no first round pick
2003 no top 5 pick #23 we selected Ryan Kesler
2004 no top 5 pick #26 we selected Cory Schneider
2005 no top 5 pick #10 we selected Luc Bourdon
2006 no top 5 pick #14 Grabner
2007 no top 5 pick #25 White
2008 no top 5 pick #10 Hodgson
2009 no top 5 pick #20 Schroeder
2010 no 1st,2nd, or 3rd round picks Dealt in deals
2011 no top 5 pick #29 Nicklas Jensen
2012 no top 5 pick #26 Brendan Guance
2013 no top 5 pick #9 Bo Horvat (trade) #22 Hunter Shinkaruk

Ok we are talking about the Quinn, Burke, Nonis and then Gillis eras here. Obviously, Nedved and Alex Stojanov were the top because the Penguins turned Alex Stojanov into Naslund for us. Their screw up was not our glorious picking. I recall Alex Stojanov was out of the league within a few years working for a small town Fire Department. What's important here and I know you will come back with another wall of words is the last ten years where we have given up valuable assets for basically nothing. Great picks were Ohlund, Kesler and Schneider. I would say there is more upside on Hodgson than Kassian. Schneider is a no brainer and with our current goalie situation it will haunt us for the next few years until we have a bonafide Number One goalie. Yes, Burke pulled of a beauty getting both twins on draft day but by and large the Canucks picks that have either stayed with the team or turned into other valuable assets is not a pretty story.

 

[manni]

New GM's like having their own guy running the bench. I don't see Torts lasting til next October.

ya, I know that, but keeping Torts until Oct would be a bad idea.
the D first approach obviously didn't work simply because the current roster isn't made for that
and it's more affordable to get rid of a coach than to rejig a whole roster.

but, let's see first who comes in as GM.

Bob Nicholson would be the only guy I'd call at this point.

 

[manni]

I Remember when the Canucks selected Cody Hodgson. So many people on CDC (canucks site) were annoyed the Canucks didn't pick Kyle Beach (who by the way has been a constant AHL player since then). Kyle was always considered an undisciplined head case. He was drafted by Chicago, now he's in the Rangers organization.


The same guys who crowed loudly about Hodgson's selection jumped to cody's defense when he was traded for Zach Kassian.


Zach was buffalo's first round selection in 2009 at #13

hey badger,

did you see this coming?
and now, the all important question–
who would you select as the new GM?
and would you get rid of Torts at end of season?

if you can, maybe provide reasons why ____________
would make a good GM.

thanks.

 

[badbadboy]

ya, I know that, but keeping Torts until Oct would be a bad idea.
the D first approach obviously didn't work simply because the current roster isn't made for that
and it's more affordable to get rid of a coach than to rejig a whole roster.

but, let's see first who comes in as GM.

Bob Nicholson would be the only guy I'd call at this point.

Considering Nicholson was running Team Canada for years, I can't see him settling for anything less than being a President. I might be wrong but Executives like to stay at the same level and not go down a few notches. I agree about Torts. Can't see him lasting until the pre season. New management will turn into new coaches and staff. The house cleaning has started.

I am tuning in at 10:30 tomorrow to hear what ownership have to say about the state of Canuck Nation.

 

[badbadboy]

No what I am saying is look at every teams drafting history. Other Teams have drafted future hall of famers and dealt them away before their time had come. Detroit had a great run of selecting guys late in drafts that turned into superstars. But what happened to their top end guys that were supposed to be top end. Edmonton has drafted well but they too had their problems. Same with Montreal.

What -am saying is the Canucks are no better or no worse than anyother team. You can have all the stuff on the table. Even top end guys who are supposed to be no brainers sometimes don't pan out.

In 1970 we got a very good d man with our second pick overall. Was he the second coming of bobby orr NO hardly. With our other second overall picks we landed Linden, 2 sedins and Peter Nedved. Not bad. We've never had a first overall pick in 40 plus years. 1heras many others that have superstar talent that is now paying off for them farmed those top 5 draft positions by having horrible disasterous seasons.

Drafting, scouting is far from an exact science and will continue to be so

Just go to the NFL and ask San Diego if they would now have liked to have had peyton manning instead of Ryan Leaf.

Yah point taken and after the first 6 or 8 picks in a draft it becomes a lot of subjective analysis based upon what maybe a couple of scouts witnessed in a 'few' games.

Realistically, the downside of our organization of late has been giving up assets we had high hopes for in return for lesser valued assets. Trading should be a zero sum game but the Canucks get their pockets picked ever time out.

 

[Man in Submission]

Ironic that on the same night Torts and the Nucks were mathematically eliminated, AV and the Rangers officially qualified for the playoffs.

That's all. Yeh I am an obscenely diehard Rangers fan but won't kick another team's fan base when they're down. I know how painful it is ... Rangers went 54 years without a Cup from 1940 to 1994, and I'll still never forget this normally mild-mannered fellow going ballistic more than a few times during 7 straight years of missing the playoffs (1998 to 2005). I may enjoy a good spanking but I can't stomach watching it happen to my team.:deadhorse:

 

[mercyshooter]

Firing AV is a stupid move by Gillis!