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SamGomez

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Apparently, he's competing today and giving the finger to this ruling.

ASPEN, Colo. -- For a few hours, Lance Armstrong was back in his element -- on a bike and in a race.

No controversies, little fanfare.

The escape Saturday into the mountains around Aspen, Colo., comes a day after the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency disciplined Armstrong with a lifetime ban from professional cycling and vacated his seven Tour de France titles after deciding he used performance-enhancing drugs.

There were only a handful of fans at the start of the Power of Four mountain bike competition, a 36-mile trek that includes plenty of climbing.

Asked if he was ready, Armstrong smiled and said, "I hope so. ... This is going to be hard for all of us."

Decked out in black and gold and sporting a Livestrong emblem on his jersey, Armstrong tinkered with his bike and gave a kiss to girlfriend Anna Hansen before pedaling off.

His busy weekend includes a marathon Sunday. He may be banned from cycling, but it hasn't diminished his passion for competition.

These weekend races may have to suffice.

Armstrong, who retired a year ago and turns 41 next month, said Thursday he would no longer challenge USADA and declined to exercise his last option by entering arbitration. He denied again that he took banned substances in his career, calling USADA's investigation a "witch hunt" without any physical evidence.

USADA said its evidence came from more than a dozen witnesses "who agreed to testify and provide evidence about their firsthand experience and/or knowledge of the doping activity of those involved in the USPS conspiracy," a reference to Armstrong's former U.S. Postal Service cycling team.

The unidentified witnesses said they knew or had been told by Armstrong himself that he had "used EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone and cortisone" from before 1998 through 2005, and that he had previously used EPO, testosterone and Human Growth Hormone through 1996, USADA said. Armstrong also allegedly handed out doping products and encouraged banned methods -- and used "blood manipulation including EPO or blood transfusions" during his 2009 comeback race on the Tour de France.

USADA chief executive Travis Tygart described the investigation as a battle against a "win-at-all-cost culture," adding that the International Cycling Union was "bound to recognize our decision and impose it."

Fans defended Armstrong on Twitter, insisting his work with Livestrong trumps what he accomplished on a bike. His success helped sell millions of "Livestrong" yellow plastic bracelets as he promoted cancer awareness and research. He's raised nearly $500 million since the Lance Armstrong Foundation started in 1997.

On Friday alone, the foundation said it received 400 donations that totalled around $75,000.
 

SamGomez

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Most of the riders during his time are on something. So they'll strip armstrong titles and give it to someone who's also on steroids?
 

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Everyone who finished in 2nd to Armstrong in those races has already been caught or admitted they used so I don't imagine they'll do anything
 

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But they didn't catch him doping. Their case is based on what other people who have been caught are saying, all of which we allready know. And those people are trying to deflect attention from themselves. The bottom line is that the USADA simply doesnt like Armstrong's big mouth, that is what it boils down to. It is pretty clearly a vendetta. If they actually had real data they would publish it. They fact that they have not means they don't have anything other than rumours. Armstrong not going through with the arbitration doesnt mean there is evidence, it just means there is no point for him.

The judge who dismissed the suit also questioned ASADAs motives when he did it.
You're cherry picking comments from Judge Sparks' decision. At times he blasted both sides with harsh comments but his final conclusion was the USADA arbitration process was fair. Otherwise he would have stopped it because that was the entire purpose the the hearing correct?

" ... the Court concludes Armstrong agreed to arbitrate with USADA, and its arbitration rules are sufficient, if applied reasonably, to satisfy due process."

Eyewitness testimony was good enough to convict Jerry Sandusky. Significant mob convictions were obtained by first hand evidence from Henry Hills and Joe Pistone (Donnie Brasco). Why is all of a sudden the eyewitness testimony of ex-riders and team members not good enough when it comes to Lance Armstrong?
 

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Lance Armstrong's net worth is estimated to be $115 million. He didn't have that before he won the Tours so he obviously profited by winning them. If they let him walk, the message is it's OK to cheat, lie and dope because it pays. The USADA is doing its job, which is mandated by the US Congress, to punish doping in sports.

Cycling should be kicked off TV and that would be the end of it as a sport. Doping is all about money and a lot of companies (Oakley, ABC, Nike, Trek, ...) made a lot of money associating themselves with Armstrong.
 

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Lance Armstrong's Cancer Foundation has raised more than $ 500 Million to fight the Big C. :nod:

Lance continues to Livestrong. Way to go!! :thumb:
 

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Interesting that nobody has really picked up on the fact that the USADA doesn't have the power to strip Armstrong of the titles. They don't represent the UCI.

It is likely that the UCI will follow their recommendation, but a bit presumptuous to say that they are stripping the wins from him when they don't have the authority. They also banned him for life from racing, yet he competed in a race yesterday.

Just sayin...
 

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Lance Armstrong's Cancer Foundation has raised more than $ 500 Million to fight the Big C. :nod:

Lance continues to Livestrong. Way to go!! :thumb:
Yes it has, a noble cause no doubt but Livestrong does not fund any cancer research. Read it on their web site. Their goal is advocacy and they run a call center to direct people to resources to fight cancer. That's a lot of money to be basically a web page with links that you can talk to.

How many people would have donated if they knew Armstrong's story to be false? After all, that's what he was selling. Not the fact that he came back from cancer, but the fact he came back cancer better than before and became a winner. Now that's not true. Could there be a class action lawsuit coming from people that donated?

Look at the USADA charging letter. They're going back to 1988 so they're claiming Armstrong was using before his cancer diagnosis.
 

jharm

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Interesting that nobody has really picked up on the fact that the USADA doesn't have the power to strip Armstrong of the titles. They don't represent the UCI.

It is likely that the UCI will follow their recommendation, but a bit presumptuous to say that they are stripping the wins from him when they don't have the authority. They also banned him for life from racing, yet he competed in a race yesterday.

Just sayin...
My final post on this topic as I'm here to do 'other' research (wow Vanesssa looks smoking hot in her pics!). This is turning into the Findlaw forum or the CyclingNews forum. There's lots to read there that's starting to be rehashed here.

Yes the USADA can strip Armstrong of the TdF titles. The USADA, USAC (USA Cycling) and UCI all are signatories of the WADA (World Anti Doping Agency, curiously based in Montreal). A finding by any of the related agencies must be enforced by all others. It's like hockey, if a player is suspended in the NHL, he can't join a AHL team. Otherwise players would go shopping for places to play to dodge a suspension. So the UCI must recognize the USADA verdict and if they don't then WADA will put its foot down. In the hierarchy of doping agencies WADA sits at the top.

And if you believe Floyd Landis who has a credibility problem, he claims Armstrong bribed the UCI to cover up positive tests. Whether true or not the UCI has definitely been playing favorites siding with Armstrong, a fact also noted by Judge Sparks in his judgement.

Here's an interesting bit. If you follow cycling you'll know before they used to show rider outputs (in Watts) on TV just like they do with race car telemetry. Then one day the UCI banned the showing of power output. It's gone from TV. Wonder why? Don't Formula 1 teams have more to lose by showing when their cars redline and shift? That's information other teams could use. But what's the advantage to another team of showing a rider's power output? Nothing except the public could see the ridiculous amount of power riders were putting out. To much of that and people would think rider were doping and that's not good for the UCI.

As for Armstrong suing anyone who tries to strip his titles or if they claim he's guilty of doping, as his lawyer stated on Thursday, good luck believing that. The last thing Armstrong will do is voluntarily set foot in court and testify under oath that he didn't use PEDs and blood dope. What happened to his threat to sue CBS and 60 Minutes over the Tyler Hamilton interview? I'm still waiting for it.
 

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Yes the USADA can strip Armstrong of the TdF titles. The USADA, USAC (USA Cycling) and UCI all are signatories of the WADA (World Anti Doping Agency, curiously based in Montreal). A finding by any of the related agencies must be enforced by all others. It's like hockey, if a player is suspended in the NHL, he can't join a AHL team. Otherwise players would go shopping for places to play to dodge a suspension. So the UCI must recognize the USADA verdict and if they don't then WADA will put its foot down. In the hierarchy of doping agencies WADA sits at the top.
unfortunately, this is misguided information.
 

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I laugh at comments like, "they have to get Armstrong to show you can't profit by cheating..."

George W. Bush cheated to win the US presidential election, bankrupted the country with a false war and got away with it.
 

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Yes the USADA can strip Armstrong of the TdF titles. The USADA, USAC (USA Cycling) and UCI all are signatories of the WADA (World Anti Doping Agency, curiously based in Montreal). A finding by any of the related agencies must be enforced by all others. It's like hockey, if a player is suspended in the NHL, he can't join a AHL team. Otherwise players would go shopping for places to play to dodge a suspension. So the UCI must recognize the USADA verdict and if they don't then WADA will put its foot down. In the hierarchy of doping agencies WADA sits at the top.

And if you believe Floyd Landis who has a credibility problem, he claims Armstrong bribed the UCI to cover up positive tests. Whether true or not the UCI has definitely been playing favorites siding with Armstrong, a fact also noted by Judge Sparks in his judgement.
No they don't have the authority. All they can do is administer tests and advise the governing bodies of the results. The sanctions are applied by those bodies, not the USADA.

The issue the USADA is going to have is that they don't have test results, and without that all the hearsay will mean nothing.

What the UCI is saying is show us the facts. If he has been doping then show us the test results that indicate that. If there are such test results they will sanction Armstrong, if there are not they will not. In their opinion the USADA has overeached it's authority in this matter.
 

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Lance Armstrong's Cancer Foundation has raised more than $ 500 Million to fight the Big C. :nod:

Lance continues to Livestrong. Way to go!! :thumb:
You can't keep a good cause down. :nod: Donations to Livestrong continues to SOAR despite ban. :clap2: Yups! donations were up 25 fold last Friday alone when the news came out with more coming in.

Btw, Kudos to Nike for sticking with the Champ. :thumb:
 

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You can't keep a good cause down. :nod: Donations to Livestrong continues to SOAR despite ban. :clap2: Yups! donations were up 25 fold last Friday alone when the news came out with more coming in.

Btw, Kudos to Nike for sticking with the Champ. :thumb:
Not really surprising people have made it clear in the past decade that they will choose an ad campaign over the truth anyday
 

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I'm so glad he's finally been exposed for the fraud that he is.
He's still so arrogant.
 

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I'm so glad he's finally been exposed for the fraud that he is.
He's still so arrogant.
It's so funny to read through the thread and see how many people thought he was legit.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know he was cheating.
 

Hoops

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I don't find it funny at all.
The selfish bastard fooled a lot of highly intelligent people including, I'm sure, some astro physicists.
People want to believe in a hero.
 
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