USA Political Thread 2024

[rlock]

Open plutocracy is not a good look, its kind of the thing democracies are designed against. That assumes America remains a democracy re: Trumps 'jokes'

Billionaires basically buying control of the US government was given official approval by the "Citizens United" Supreme Court decision, years before Trump was even a candidate.
The US stopped being a real democracy back then; the elections are just them going through the motions, pretending that the voters still get a say in the running of their country. All they get is a choice between which network of oligarchs they want to bow down to.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

 

[VanCityNewb]

More accurately, he pushed forward a mass marketed EV (not the first of those), but which had more mass appeal to the public than the predecessors.
He understood that dominance in the auto industry is driven by high performance cars, that need to create excitement, not just efficiency.
Even if 95% of vehicles on the road do not actually need to push the performance envelope, the concept could not be taken seriously until someone finally built an EV that did so.

You mean the first Tesla roadster, that was developed under another CEO entirely? 🤔

 

[Drjohn]

Harper was much worse in every way, and yeah I have followed politics always, and am 100% confident that he was the worst & most tyrannical PM Canada ever had.
I said so back then and still say so now - and that is not going to change unless Pollywanker gets into power and proves it is possible to be even worse than that.
And all his supporters can choke on that no matter how much it hurts.

When Harper was Prime Minister,

Houses were cheaper.

Taxes were lower.

Food was cheaper.

Inflation was lower.

Gas was cheaper.

There was less crime.

It was TERRIFYING!!!!!!!!!!!!¡!

 

[rlock]

When Harper was Prime Minister,

Houses were cheaper.

Taxes were lower.

Food was cheaper.

Inflation was lower.

Gas was cheaper.

There was less crime.

It was TERRIFYING!!!!!!!!!!!!¡!

All that was also true of Paul Martin versus Stephen Harper too.
Plus there were not any anti-science conspiracy clowns trying to punish climate scientists for reporting facts or end the census "because it is the mark of the beast".

(Wait a sec, is this the USA thread. I am done with this.)

 

[Drjohn]

Under which administration are you talking about the millions under trump ? Under Nixon? Under Carter ? Reagan? Bush Sr? Clinton? Bush Jr ? Obama ? Biden?

Remind us when in the last 50 years that illegal immigration in the US was not an issue.

Once you familiarize yourself with the immigration act of 1965 , its intent and its unintended consequences than we can talk .
Keep in mind that every administration that tackled it broke their teeth on it .

Biden worked on solving the problem with the Republicans who worked on it untill they were satisfied to get an easy majority vote to get killed on the request of their Orange master . Historical first to follow the request of an unelected candidate...but who is to argue with the second coming of ....

I never said that illegal immigration wasn't a long standing problem that multiple administrations have been unable to solve.

The Democrat proposed border bill would have put a bandaid on a huge open wound.

It was defeated because it would have done little to solve the problem.

It's popular to try and spin it as Trump’s fault but it wasn't.

The pace of illegal immigration went up under the Biden/Harris administration.

The pace of deportations went down under the Biden/Harris administration.

This is plain and clear.

Whataboutism isn't helpful here.

I'm sure that you're familiar with the "sanctuary city" situation.

Democrat run cities are bending over backwards to make life easier for illegal immigrants.

It's too bad that the Biden government didn't have some sort of "border czar" who could work on the root causes of illegal immigration.

The Democrats lost to Trump for a lot of reasons.

Their mishandling of immigration was just one of them.

 

[marsvolta]

Billionaires basically buying control of the US government was given official approval by the "Citizens United" Supreme Court decision, years before Trump was even a candidate.
The US stopped being a real democracy back then; the elections are just them going through the motions, pretending that the voters still get a say in the running of their country. All they get is a choice between which network of oligarchs they want to bow down to.

this.

 

[Harmony-bc]

The US does not have open borders. That's beyond stupid. And that's just halfway into your first sentence. It only goes downhill from there.

If the USA had open borders, I wouldn’t be flagged. Going to Vegas to work would be easy lol

 

[Drjohn]

If the USA had open borders, I wouldn’t be flagged. Going to Vegas to work would be easy lol

Fly to Mexico.

Take a cab to the border.

Walk across.

 

[MRGREEN]

When Harper was Prime Minister,

Houses were cheaper.

Taxes were lower.

Food was cheaper.

Inflation was lower.

Gas was cheaper.

There was less crime.

It was TERRIFYING!!!!!!!!!!!!¡!

Now it makes sense. A Harper guy. Old stock Canadians and all that.

 

[marsvolta]

Donald Trump threatens 25% tariff on products from Canada, Mexico

just bluffing, right? Trump being Trump, am i right? trying to get into a good negotiating position, right?

does anybody take this guy seriously?

he may as well say "on day one, i will plunge the world economy into a recession like no one has ever seen"!

 

[Drjohn]

Donald Trump threatens 25% tariff on products from Canada, Mexico

just bluffing, right? Trump being Trump, am i right? trying to get into a good negotiating position, right?

does anybody take this guy seriously?

he may as well say "on day one, i will plunge the world economy into a recession like no one has ever seen"!

In the world of the Trump haters, the sky is always falling.

Until it isn't.

Do you know that Trump has already served one term as President?

No, there was no recession and the world didn't come to an end.

It was a nice touch that CBC sought out the opinion of well known expert on trade and economic matters, Catherine McKenna.

Yes, our former well loved environment Minister, "Climate Barbie".

Well played CBC.

 

[marsvolta]

In the world of the Trump haters, the sky is always falling.

Until it isn't.

Do you know that Trump has already served one term as President?

No, there was no recession and the world didn't come to an end.

It was a nice touch that CBC sought out the opinion of well known expert on trade and economic matters, Catherine McKenna.

Yes, our former well loved environment Minister, "Climate Barbie".

Well played CBC.

you avoided my question.

what does he mean? for the last four years his supporters could filter whatever he says to mean whatever they need him to mean. now he will be in power. he is already shaping the world... asian markets are dropping in overnight trading on this news.

so, any Trump supporter should be able to filter and tell the rest of us what the fuck he is talking about.

oh and, COVID invaded the US and killed 1.5 million people during the Trump term. so, it was the end of the world for many.

and a recession did happen. how short our memories seem to be.

COVID-19 recession

" Trump's tariffs caused significant damage to the economy of countries around the world.[43] In the United States, it brought struggles for farmers and manufacturers and higher prices for consumers, which resulted in the U.S. manufacturing industry entering into a "mild recession" during 2019."

i don't hate the guy. i just wouldn't hire him to run my business or my country.

 

[carvesg]

Now the little one in Washington is threatening to impose 25% tariffs on every import to the US from Canada and Mexico if we dont curb down the entry of immigrants and/or refugees as well as the smuggling of drugs especially fentanyl . As we have the power to stop both of those things but do not do it .

Something the US has not done after 40 years with the war on drugs and the immigration problems for the last 50 years in the US...from previous administrations or his own . He'd better say i want to impose tariffs for no good reason other than it will please me to do so.

Who here would get affected by such tariffs? And what would be the effects ?

In my case because of the back and forth across the border in the supply chain ; it would translate by a 20 to 25 % increase from passed experience with my supplies ; which would be around an 7 to 8% increase with my pricing .

I don't trust trudeau 2.0 but he'd better be putting the right people to deal and dissuade trump otherwise we can kiss good bye the interest cuts that were going to ease things in the coming months.

 

[carvesg]

In the world of the Trump haters, the sky is always falling.

Until it isn't.

Do you know that Trump has already served one term as President?

No, there was no recession and the world didn't come to an end.

It was a nice touch that CBC sought out the opinion of well known expert on trade and economic matters, Catherine McKenna.

Yes, our former well loved environment Minister, "Climate Barbie".

Well played CBC.

You forgot The Guardian, Bnn Bloomberg, National Post, ABC Australia, Reuters , Wall Street journal, etc ....all of them misquoting trump all at once . Do all those news organizations need special translators to understand what trump talks about ?

 

[marsvolta]

i see the tariff news is way way way way way down the Fox News website page.

just under the story about the growing vegan cheese market.

i'll assume that the filtered interpretation is "nothing to see here".

great "opinion" article i assume paid for by Ark Encounter theme park right on the front page.

Noah, God and skillset diversity

 

[thevalleydude]

Also, a random fact appears...

So your chart proves my point. Thanks.


Apprehensions does not mean they were returned or necessarily detained btw, just encounters. Nobody said there were no border guards but instead of catch and return under Trump's remain in Mexico policy where they became very low, Biden followed a policy of catch and release where they make their asylum claim and are just released into the country where most of them never actually return to face a judge to adjudicate their claim. That is why it is called an "Open Border" policy.
Numbers were so overwhelming they basically let everyone who showed up into the country with a few exceptions but missing apparently 13000 people convicted or wanted for murder in other countries.

Note the much higher numbers in yellow of people streaming across from everywhere across the world as the cartels begin advertising their services world wide to help get potential undesirables across because they realize the pure numbers have made it a rubber stamp. around 2.5 million every year for 4 years. The cartels made a fortune...as well as it becoming easier to smuggle illegal drugs and weapons across the border as the border guards were too tied up with the swarms of people to properly investigate what else was coming in.
You can see the numbers skyrocket in 2021 after Biden takes office.
Numbers dropped when Obama took office and he was known as the Deporter in Chief with his head man being Tom Homan.....the same person that Trump has appointed as his new border czar. I am not certain why you are trying to defend this policy. It is not humane but great for corporations looking for cheap labor and perhaps for elites looking for underage talent to appear at P Diddy afterparties.

 

[MRGREEN]

Thoughts and prayers.

 

[VanCityNewb]

So your chart proves my point. Thanks.


Apprehensions does not mean they were returned or necessarily detained btw, just encounters. Nobody said there were no border guards but instead of catch and return under Trump's remain in Mexico policy where they became very low, Biden followed a policy of catch and release where they make their asylum claim and are just released into the country where most of them never actually return to face a judge to adjudicate their claim. That is why it is called an "Open Border" policy.
Numbers were so overwhelming they basically let everyone who showed up into the country with a few exceptions but missing apparently 13000 people convicted or wanted for murder in other countries.

Note the much higher numbers in yellow of people streaming across from everywhere across the world as the cartels begin advertising their services world wide to help get potential undesirables across because they realize the pure numbers have made it a rubber stamp. around 2.5 million every year for 4 years. The cartels made a fortune...as well as it becoming easier to smuggle illegal drugs and weapons across the border as the border guards were too tied up with the swarms of people to properly investigate what else was coming in.
You can see the numbers skyrocket in 2021 after Biden takes office.
Numbers dropped when Obama took office and he was known as the Deporter in Chief with his head man being Tom Homan.....the same person that Trump has appointed as his new border czar. I am not certain why you are trying to defend this policy. It is not humane but great for corporations looking for cheap labor and perhaps for elites looking for underage talent to appear at P Diddy afterparties.

That's the dumbest thing I've read in a while and only demonstrates you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. That's not the way anything works. I'd ask you where on earth you got these ideas from, but it's a waste of time, as clearly you're just making all of this up in your head. 🙄

 

[carvesg]

Thoughts and prayers.

Another mass shooting ? When ? And where ?