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Drjohn

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We all know what you are saying. But maybe we aren't paying substantive attention to you. Just like you troll everyone, maybe we like treating you in a similar fashion, oh great one. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
"Substantive attention".

So, not too little, not too much?

Just the right amount?

Thanks for the four laughing emojis.

I'm encouraged.

I'll be here all week, try the veal.

My younger Trump haters won't get the reference but Oldshark will.

He gets it... sort of.

P.s I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew.
 

carvesg

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Carter

He dithered while the Iranians held the US embassy hostages for 444 days.
If you mentioned the number of days it means that you know that Reagan had a back deal with the Iranians which prolonged their incarceration. Reed , Casey, Connally, Rockefeller and company made sure that those 52 hostages spent at least 120 something extra days in captivity.

Which means that you are being disingenuous or ignorant of all the facts by bringing that up as an argument to undermine Carter's achievements .

Just like most democracies at the time dealing with inflation and job losses worldwide the incumbent governments were outed. Keep in mind Trudeau's father (PET 1.0) went overboard with his deficits and even him had lost his job in 79.
 
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thevalleydude

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Unless proof is provided, it is just disinformation. A true expense will probably be in the public record at the end of the year.
Well it is basically being confirmed by Lindy Li, a member of the DNC Finance Committee whose main business is getting donations for the Democratic Party. She is a long time Democrat operative who is speaking out knowing that her position is secure in the party ( based in Philadelphia and friends with gov. Josh Shapiro) and its others who will be leaving...not her. She is confirming payments to Oprah and Al Sharpton in exchange for endorsements specifically and does not deny the reported payments made to other celebrities.


Her position is that the party misled its donors and badly misspent and mismanaged the campaign by concentrating on the wrong issues and until the party gets its ducks in a row and concentrates on dealing with issues that everyday working people care about they will continue to go down the wrong path and get destroyed again in 2028.

Im certain that all these payments will be confirmed entirely in the future...you dont hear any of the celebrities denying it except Oprah but thats because the money went to Harpo Productions, her company rather than herself personally.

Its not disinformation when its coming from the leading fund raiser in the DNC itself.

IMHO she is kinda hot too.
 

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"Substantive attention".

So, not too little, not too much?

Just the right amount?

Thanks for the four laughing emojis.

I'm encouraged.

I'll be here all week, try the veal.

My younger Trump haters won't get the reference but Oldshark will.

He gets it... sort of.

P.s I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew.
Lion in the Winter :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

oldshark

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Well it is basically being confirmed by Lindy Li, a member of the DNC Finance Committee whose main business is getting donations for the Democratic Party. She is a long time Democrat operative who is speaking out knowing that her position is secure in the party ( based in Philadelphia and friends with gov. Josh Shapiro) and its others who will be leaving...not her. She is confirming payments to Oprah and Al Sharpton in exchange for endorsements specifically and does not deny the reported payments made to other celebrities.


Her position is that the party misled its donors and badly misspent and mismanaged the campaign by concentrating on the wrong issues and until the party gets its ducks in a row and concentrates on dealing with issues that everyday working people care about they will continue to go down the wrong path and get destroyed again in 2028.

Im certain that all these payments will be confirmed entirely in the future...you dont hear any of the celebrities denying it except Oprah but thats because the money went to Harpo Productions, her company rather than herself personally.

Its not disinformation when its coming from the leading fund raiser in the DNC itself.

IMHO she is kinda hot too.
Well, if this is true and ends up being confirmed then yes, the Democrats were morons in doing this. I have not heard much about this yet but maybe it is worth following.
 

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I don't know if you just got back from being on another planet or something but have you heard the news?

The guy you call the worst and human trash just got reelected.

That means a second term as President.

Weird.

Am I right?
Still nothing intelligent to say, I see.
 

Drjohn

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One of those guys you don't want to get stuck talking to at a party or next to at a dinner party:)
I know you guys are better than me but do you ever get tired of virtue signaling?

You need a better outlet to express your feelings.

Maybe a support group.

You could call it,

"I am an adult male in Vancouver, Canada and Donald Trump has made my life unbearable."

It's kinda catchy, don't you think?
 
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The same fund raiser, Lindy Li also said that one of the largest billionaire donors to the Democrat party has left the reservation. She did not name him but said he was a well known name so it would probably be one of Bezos, Reid Hoffman or Bloomberg....I doubt George Soros or Bill Gates would be going anywhere...my money is on Bezos who has a large number of military contracts that he will not want Trump cancelling.


Also to be noted is that the ratings for Democrat supporting cable channels, CNN and MSNBC have cratered to the point (it is catastrophic) where Mika and Morning Joe went to Mar a Lago to meet personally with Trump and reach some sort of agreement....after calling him a Nazi for the last several months realizing that their hair on fire coverage actually hurt the Harris campaign and people just were not buying it anymore. Although most of you will not I would recommend you to watch this because it shows the upcoming further splits in the Democrat Party that are going to have to be healed as Mika and Joe get what I would consider justified criticism from some of their former allies.


They lost credibility with the public. You cannot look your audience in the face and tell them "Fuck you if you dont believe Joe Biden is as sharp as a tack".......then a couple of days later be calling for him to resign after the debate debacle. You cannot be calling someone a nazi one day and a few days later having tea with Hitler in his house. They have no credibility left and are groveling to Trump in a hope to try and reclaim some of it with somebody....but I don't know who.

The election result was a slaughtering. Kamala lost ground in EVERY American county over 2020 Biden results and the only group of people she increased her vote with were senior citizens (as per Lindy Li in a longer interview on Fox). They have 4 years now to figure things out how their Trump coverage was counter productive and actually drove potential voters to the right, change shit up and somehow win them back as most people are no longer buying the narrative...outside of here of course. ;)
 
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Drjohn

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If you mentioned the number of days it means that you know that Reagan had a back deal with the Iranians which prolonged their incarceration. Reed , Casey, Connally, Rockefeller and company made sure that those 52 hostages spent at least 120 something extra days in captivity.

Which means that you are being disingenuous or ignorant of all the facts by bringing that up as an argument to undermine Carter's achievements .

Just like most democracies at the time dealing with inflation and job losses worldwide the incumbent governments were outed. Keep in mind Trudeau's father (PET 1.0) went overboard with his deficits and even him had lost his job in 79.
So are you saying that the first 324 days the hostages were kept didn't matter?

The "back deal" theory has been debunked.

You say that other incumbent governments were defeated.

So what?

Maybe they were just as bad or worse than Carter.

Carter was a weak and indecisive President.

Accomplishments?

C'mon man!
 

GentlemanJack69

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Sorry. I should have said, "Can someone explain it to me rationally."

The scrape and consolidation AI tool produced responses that focused on abortion issues (which I adjusted my post to reflect) or emotionally charged irrational answers.
It also seems that almost every democratic post (this is also true in the US when I've spoken to people) was hyper focused on making sure Trump did not get elected over providing any specific reason why they should vote for the Democratic party.

Also I was shocked to realize that most of the people who voted blue had no actual understanding of how abortion laws actually work. If we remove that issue then I have yet to have anyone explain a rational reason to vote for that party. Also, abortion, while important to some, is wildly unimportant considering the other issues on the table. It's also wildly sad to see a man with 4 daughters saying he voted blue because he wants to make sure all 4 of his daughters are able to get abortions. It's genuinely sad to see something like that.
I must admit I didn't read your whole post.. was too long and didn't keep my attention. I found your initial question intriguing, but wasn't interested enough to read the whole post. I'm not American so I didn't vote for anyone, but if I was American I would have voted for Kamala for the simple reason that it would be a vote against Trump. If you've read any of my prior posts you can see why... but for me, it simply came down to, as the pundits say "Orange Man Bad". He really, really is. He's not just a narcissistic, greedy sociopath who will blatantly lie about anything just so that he can say he's right and never admit any sort of personal responsibility, he's all that, and someone who has been given the power to inflict serious harm on not just the USA, but any country that happens to irritate him. Nobody on here disputes that. They may feel that he's the lesser of two evils, but nobody disputes that he's literal scum. Would anyone need a better reason?
 
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GentlemanJack69

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Case study on what not to do when your prefered politician is destroyed by every measure in an election.

Double and triple down on how amazing your candidate (the loser) was.

Double and triple down on how terrible their opponent (the winner) was.

Kamala Harris was the worst candidate ever to run for President, even worse than Hillary Clinton.

She was a word salad spewing, puppet in a pantsuit.

She represented the failed policies of the Biden administration and she had no ideas of her own.

Trump has his flaws, but the majority of the people saw through the lies and the paid celebrity shills.

They chose the lesser of the two evils.

So, keep digging that hole that you're in.

It's not going to change anything.
Don't need to double or triple down. Simple logic will do just fine.
I have no opinion on Harris other than her detractors didn't seem to be objective, but since I didn't research her I don't really have an argument.
Trump being a winner doesn't make him a good person. Trump is not. You can't argue that he's a good person. "Trump has his flaws" doesn't even come close to describing the man. If the majority of people saw through his lies.. he wouldn't be president.
The fact that he won the election is due to a myriad of factors that have nothing to do with him being "good" in any sense of the word.
Attack Kamala all you want... but you don't have any defense for Trump.
 

GentlemanJack69

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New York Times circulation peaked in 2014 and has been on a steady decline since then. At one time circulation was over a million annually. 2023 circulation was under three hundred thousand.

So, the newspaper that is known for printing stories that are plagerized or just factually incorrect is well on it's way to being done and gone.

CNN is laying off people and Comcast is trying to sell MSNBC.

These are "facts".

Sorry
Name a newspaper that isn't on a steady decline... newspapers are a thing of the past. Facts can be interpreted many ways.. doesn't mean they support your thesis.
 

GentlemanJack69

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You're absolutely right.

The United States is a very bad, terrible place.

Poverty, racism and don't forget the rampant misogyny.

It's basically a dictatorship.

People have no rights.

Why do millions of people from all over the world (some risking their lives) emigrate legally and illegally to the United States?

They must be crazy or stupid.

Am I right?
Yes.
Yes you're right.
At least the first 4 lines.
It wasn't always that way, but things are getting worse. You couldn't pay me to move to the USA.
 
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I know you guys are better than me but do you ever get tired of virtue signaling?

You need a better outlet to express your feelings.

Maybe a support group.

You could call it,

"I am an adult male in Vancouver, Canada and Donald Trump has made my life unbearable."

It's kinda catchy, don't you think?
No need. this forum is just a nice outlet between visiting the Lake.
That's all the therapy I need. I would imagine that most of the individuals posting regularly attend stress relieving sessions at their favorite AMP or SP.
 

Drjohn

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Don't need to double or triple down. Simple logic will do just fine.
I have no opinion on Harris other than her detractors didn't seem to be objective, but since I didn't research her I don't really have an argument.
Trump being a winner doesn't make him a good person. Trump is not. You can't argue that he's a good person. "Trump has his flaws" doesn't even come close to describing the man. If the majority of people saw through his lies.. he wouldn't be president.
The fact that he won the election is due to a myriad of factors that have nothing to do with him being "good" in any sense of the word.
Attack Kamala all you want... but you don't have any defense for Trump.
"If the majority of people saw through his lies..he wouldn't be President".

Could you be more condescending?

Apparently 75 million Americans lack your level of sophistication.
 

Drjohn

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Yes.
Yes you're right.
At least the first 4 lines.
It wasn't always that way, but things are getting worse. You couldn't pay me to move to the USA.
You say things are getting worse.

The Democrats have been in power for 12 of the last 16 years.

How do you square that circle?
 

GentlemanJack69

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"If the majority of people saw through his lies..he wouldn't be President".

Could you be more condescending?

Apparently 75 million Americans lack your level of sophistication.
I could be more condescending. It would be easy,.. but unnecessary. My comment was facetious in nature and intended to be provocative. I suspect many Americans are sophisticated enough to see through his lies, they simply don't care. He appeals to a variety of people for a variety of reasons. Doesn't make him a good person. Doesn't make him any less despicable. Just means that his supporters are human and prone to vote to their own self-interest, or at least their own perceived self-interest. I suspect that many will have occasion to rue their vote, but that's not really the point.
My point is that he is to quote you "Orange Man Bad". You think you're being sarcastic. What you're being is truthful. At least with this one comment.
Try convincing anyone that he's a good person... go ahead... try...
 

GentlemanJack69

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You say things are getting worse.

The Democrats have been in power for 12 of the last 16 years.

How do you square that circle?
I never said things were getting worse over the last 16 years... I said things are getting worse because because Trump got elected.
I don't are whether a Democrat or a Republican is President. My point is that Trump got elected and it doesn't take any sort of genius to predict that things are going to get worse. His track record speaks for itself. Americans are just lucky that he can only be president for 4 more years... Unless of course he decides that he should be president for life and never give up the power.
 
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