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thevalleydude

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I don’t know how Trump can accomplish anything, he spends most of his nights tweeting and hurling revenge against anyone who mocks him, the dude is so thin skinned he is incapable of making rational decisions. He golfed more than any president in history and charged all his entourage expenses to his own hotels and properties.
Been reading some mind-numbing, profoundly unintelligent comments from righties who believe Democrats are encouraging illegal immigrants to flow into the country in order to register them to vote in the 2024 election. They must also believe in Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns, the Earth is flat & the center of the universe & that Benedict Donald tells the truth! The canyon of idiocy continues to grow unabated.
These Cult 45 worshipers are aimlessly wandering thru the forest of stupidity by believing what their Orange Christ tells them irrespective of the facts. What are the FACTS? “Non-citizens”, including permanent legal residents by law, cannot vote in federal, state, & most local elections. Nor should they be allowed to vote… 🗳
At least Jim Jones handed out free koolaid, Trump would definitely charge them for it, he treats his beloved followers like the suckers that they are, MAGA is his Golden Goose, can’t wait till it gets cooked!🤣
So what in your opinion is the reason that Democrats are allowing a flood of mostly uneducated and unskilled workers to flood across the border basically without verification as to identity? There must be one because its a complete about face from when Obama was President and he now appears to be encouraging it. How is the average American citizen benefiting from this? Obviously judging by the poll results which show Trump currently has a commanding lead despite his multiple court cases and the fact immigration is the leading issue Americans actually facing this onslaught do not agree with you despite the fact that the vast majority of the mainstream media seems to be instructing them to.

As for whether or not they can vote in the 2024 election....right now they legally cannot, but the concern is that Democrats consider presentation of voter ID at the election booth a voter suppression issue and there may be a major battle waged over this as the concern over Trump's pending election nears.
 

thevalleydude

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Ya. that's the ticket. I'm scared.
It was a simple question, not trolling considering you brought up the civil war aspect. Well the easy answer would have been....no. If Trump wins the election then he should be allowed to carry out his term. But your avoidance answering suggests you would approve the undemocratic removal of the elected candidate and the support of an authoritarian solution. If I am wrong about that then correct me.
 

angry anderson

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It was a simple question, not trolling considering you brought up the civil war aspect. Well the easy answer would have been....no. If Trump wins the election then he should be allowed to carry out his term. But your avoidance answering suggests you would approve the undemocratic removal of the elected candidate and the support of an authoritarian solution. If I am wrong about that then correct me.
Loyalty, long lines, ‘civil war’ talk: A raging movement propels Trump - The Washington Post
 

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Notice a patern here, most of the lefties ars full of hate, self proclaimed intelligent, and because others who have different opinion, calling them stupid. It tells a lot about these kind of people.

And irnoy is that they are trying to show themselves as democracy champions but want to remove opposition candidate by fabricating charges of all sort to not allow him to go through voting process, which is the basis of democracy.
As 008 stated . The reason we still pay attention to the charges trump is facing is because with all the money , hiring skills he has and talented lawyers he was able to muster ; just a few of the charges have been dismissed from both Republican and Democrat leaning judges .

Since the judicial at that level (lower courts) is scrutinized as you know; how do you want us to dismiss what the courts say so far ?
Keep in mind that the courts can have a selective memory if you have enough great lawyers to play a sleight of hand on the judge or the jurors ....so do not despair yet as the process is always logical but the verdict rarely is because of how the game is played when rich people are involved in the US.
 

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As 008 stated . The reason we still pay attention to the charges trump is facing is because with all the money , hiring skills he has and talented lawyers he was able to muster ; just a few of the charges have been dismissed from both Republican and Democrat leaning judges .

Since the judicial at that level (lower courts) is scrutinized as you know; how do you want us to dismiss what the courts say so far ?
Keep in mind that the courts can have a selective memory if you have enough great lawyers to play a sleight of hand on the judge or the jurors ....so do not despair yet as the process is always logical but the verdict rarely is because of how the game is played when rich people are involved in the US.
The recent New York Civil fraud trail against Trump was a politically motivated farce.

When the state Attorney General was running for re-election, she frequently ranted and raved, "I'm going to get Trump"

Letitia James, a life long Democrat, has her own political ambitions.

The case itself involved charges that Trump misrepresented valuations of real estate holdings on loan applications.

Anyone with any knowledge of real estate transactions and bank loans knows that the bank does its own due diligence.

The same goes with tax assessments.

It doesn't matter what Trump claimed his properties were worth.

Apparently he may have fudged square footage estimates as well on loan applications.

Do you not think that a bank can figure out how big a particular building is?

Trump got the loans, the banks got paid back.

What was the fraud?

Is Trump the cleanest, most above board real estate mogul in the US?

Probably not.

Did he commit fraud in this case.

Probably not.

This is politics at work.

Democrat politics at work.
 

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Gawd forbid they say something negative about Senile Biden(s) or our current goof so-called leader :rolleyes: :eek:


Notice a patern here, most of the lefties ars full of hate, self proclaimed intelligent, and because others who have different opinion, calling them stupid. It tells a lot about these kind of people.

And irnoy is that they are trying to show themselves as democracy champions but want to remove opposition candidate by fabricating charges of all sort to not allow him to go through voting process, which is the basis of democracy.
 

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the us and europe have pillaged the resources and impoverished those countries for decades leaving the most vulnerable no other choice but to seek their survival away from their own countries. the US and europe are reaping what they sowed. the us and europe and canada for that matter have a massive debt to the third world so it is hilarious for them to be complaining now that the problem they have created is at their door
Canada been getting a lot of cheap bananas from Third World. I like to think that if I didn't buy t-shirts from Bangladesh there wouldn't be any industry or source of Western clothing for folks in that part of the world. The philosophy and culture in such parts of the world impoverished themselves with indiscriminate breeding and overpopulation destroying environment. Maybe Canadians capitalized on that but I doubt it. Third World elites got rich off the backs of breeding Third World populations in sub standard work environments. Enough so to buy up pricy Canadian real estate and make a new life for themselves. So yes, maybe that way some here owe the Third World. And that's why Canadians need self-sufficiency of an export manufacturing industry on the scale seen in wartime. Canadians paid with their own lives fighting wars for Empires.
 

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The recent New York Civil fraud trail against Trump was a politically motivated farce.

When the state Attorney General was running for re-election, she frequently ranted and raved, "I'm going to get Trump"

Letitia James, a life long Democrat, has her own political ambitions.

The case itself involved charges that Trump misrepresented valuations of real estate holdings on loan applications.

Anyone with any knowledge of real estate transactions and bank loans knows that the bank does its own due diligence.

The same goes with tax assessments.

It doesn't matter what Trump claimed his properties were worth.

Apparently he may have fudged square footage estimates as well on loan applications.

Do you not think that a bank can figure out how big a particular building is?

Trump got the loans, the banks got paid back.

What was the fraud?

Is Trump the cleanest, most above board real estate mogul in the US?

Probably not.

Did he commit fraud in this case.

Probably not.

This is politics at work.

Democrat politics at work.
Meanwhile in Trumpland
Trump Media stock tanks as new filing reveals heavy losses, 'greater risks' on Trump's involvement (yahoo.com)
 

Mrmotorscooter

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So what in your opinion is the reason that Democrats are allowing a flood of mostly uneducated and unskilled workers to flood across the border basically without verification as to identity? There must be one because its a complete about face from when Obama was President and he now appears to be encouraging it. How is the average American citizen benefiting from this? Obviously judging by the poll results which show Trump currently has a commanding lead despite his multiple court cases and the fact immigration is the leading issue Americans actually facing this onslaught do not agree with you despite the fact that the vast majority of the mainstream media seems to be instructing them to.

As for whether or not they can vote in the 2024 election....right now they legally cannot, but the concern is that Democrats consider presentation of voter ID at the election booth a voter suppression issue and there may be a major battle waged over this as the concern over Trump's pending election nears.
The border issue is the only Trump card the gop can still play even after the Dems tried to enact the legislation that the republicans put forward previously. Anything they try to do to fix the problem gets voted down in the house because it’s the major talking point for the gop. They are not allowing people to stay in the US, they have had record detentions recently, they get processed and are deported, it’s easy to look up the facts.
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Mrmotorscooter

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The GOP has been guilty of election fraud since Trump falsely told them he won, what a Con Artist pos, and now they are still on this path all they care about is getting power at all costs smh🤦🏻‍♂️

As reoported by Peter Stone in Washington
RNC plan for 2020 denialist to head ‘election integrity’ unit raises alarms
Christina Bobb, who was part of Trump-backed fake elector scheme, tapped to run unit by Republican National Committee
As Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has cemented its hold on the Republican National Committee (RNC), alarms are being raised about the organisation’s tapping of the fervent election denialist Christina Bobb to run an “election integrity” unit.
Bobb is a former Trump lawyer and ex-reporter for the far-right One America News Network, who gained prominence after Trump’s 2020 loss for promoting bogus fraud charges in Arizona, Wisconsin and elsewhere, and was part of Trump-backed efforts to substitute fake electors for ones that Joe Biden won in some states.
RNC asks job applicants if they believe 2020 election was stolen in ‘litmus test’
Bobb helped spread phoney voting fraud claims with Trump’s former lawyer Rudy Giuliani and the former campaign operative Mike Roman, both of whom along with Trump and others face charges in Fulton county, Georgia, of conspiring to overturn Biden’s win there; Bobb was not charged.

Last year Bobb wrote Stealing Your Vote: The Inside Story of the 2020 Election and What It Means for 2024, a book that was chock full of baseless charges about 2020 election fraud.
Former judges, ex-Republican congressmen and election watchdogs voice strong concerns about Bobb’s mission and the potential dangers posed by her flood of erroneous charges of voting fraud.
“By designating Bobb to the RNC post, they’re beginning to promulgate the same false narrative of widespread election fraud that we saw in 2020 and 2021 but way earlier,” said John Jones, a former federal judge in Pennsylvania and now president of Dickinson College.
“There’s a concept known as illusory truth,” he added. “If you keep saying these same falsehoods over and over, people begin to believe they’re true, and it has the potential to morph into violence. That puts judges, prosecutors and others at risk.”
The RNC has not only become an arm of the Trump campaign, but an outlet for the most extreme elements of the election denial movement
Charlie Dent
The RNC’s hiring of Bobb comes as Trump keeps falsely claiming that the 2020 election was rigged and talks up new efforts this year to “guard the vote” to ferret out potential fraud. Experts have conclusively said fraud was not a factor in Trump’s loss by over 7 million votes, and stressed that historically voting fraud has been minimal.
Bobb’s “election integrity” post at the RNC is expected to involve teams of poll workers, poll watchers and other efforts in swing states and she has begun talking with key Maga allies with similar missions. Bobb last month told the far-right reporter Breanna Morello that her top goal is “empowering the grassroots”.
Bobb was on at least one conference call in March with a half-dozen Trump-allied groups including ones that echo her false claims about 2020 election fraud, according to a person on the call, who said: “We’re all going to coordinate.”
Among the groups on the call, he added, was Arizona-based Turning Point Action, which has a track record of promoting falsehoods about 2020 election fraud.
Many experts raise red flags about Bobb’s new RNC post.
The former Republican congressman Charlie Dent said the RNC’s hiring of Bobb “is a further indication of how the RNC has not only become an arm of the Trump campaign, but an outlet for the most extreme elements of the election denial movement”.
Likewise, the ex-Republican congressman Dave Trott predicted: “Bobb will be leading the charge and saying the election was rigged if Trump loses.”
Some key Democrats are also alarmed by what Bobb’s RNC role may presage.

“Putting Christina Bobb in charge of election integrity is like putting Donald Trump in charge of integrity,” the Democratic congressman Jamie Raskin said. “They’re designing a platform for lies to wage the next insurrection.”
Although Bobb’s “election integrity” slot is new and a work in progress, the RNC’s new leadership seems to be banking on her.
Headache for campaign team as Trump gets the band back together
Lara Trump, the new RNC vice-chair and Trump’s daughter-in-law, told Fox News’ Sean Hannity on 12 March: “We have the first-ever election integrity division at the [RNC]. That means massive resources going to this one thing.”
Lara Trump added: “We will have trained poll watchers, poll observers, poll workers, people in tabulation centers all across this country,” and signaled that volunteers for these slots and lawyers are needed.

Bobb, whose official RNC title is senior counsel for election integrity, wrote on X: “I’m honored to be a part of the new team at the RNC.”
Besides Bobb, the RNC in March tapped Charlie Spies, who had previously served as its election law counsel, to be its chief counsel.
Further, the RNC also named William McGinley, a veteran election lawyer who worked in the Trump administration, as outside counsel for election integrity, a move that could presage more litigation.
But Bobb’s litany of baseless fraud claims as she worked with key Trump allies to overturn the 2020 election results, shadow her new RNC role.
For instance, Bobb used her perch at One America News Network (OAN) to spread bogus claims of fraud that led to a defamation lawsuit against her and OAN by the voting technology firm Dominion; Bobb and OAN have both denied any wrongdoing.
Separately Bobb signed a letter falsely certifying to the justice department on Trump’s behalf in 2022 that after a “diligent search” he had returned all the classified documents the special counsel Jack Smith later charged the former president with illegally taking to Mar-a-Lago after he left the White House.
A subsequent FBI raid found about 100 classified documents; Bobb, who reportedly was interviewed by the FBI, indicated that another lawyer drafted the letter she signed.
Given that Bobb was only tapped for her RNC post this month, it is unclear whether she has begun recruiting staff or taken other steps to develop the RNC’s election integrity program.
But a source close to the Trump campaign stressed that “the key to election observing is redundancy”, meaning that it would involve multiple coordinated efforts, which suggests that the RNC program will be done in tandem with similar poll-watching and poll worker drives by Trump allied groups.
The need for “redundancy” and Bobb’s early conference call with several outside groups are emerging as key strategies for Bobb, as she revealed in an interview on 15 March with Morello, a conservative journalist who used to be with Fox News.
A dangerous sign of how entrenched the election denial movement has become on the right
Chioma Chukwu
Bobb told Morello that her top goal at the RNC is “empowering the grassroots. This has to be a grassroots approach … We have to empower people in their communities.”
The RNC press office did not reply to a request for comment.
The RNC’s election integrity drive this year comes after a few decades when a moratorium was imposed on RNC poll-watching operations due to aggressive tactics it employed in 1981 that went beyond permissible programs.
At some polling places in New Jersey in 1981, the GOP used off-duty police officers and provided rewards to some people who claimed they had evidence of voting fraud. After those incidents, the party agreed to halt poll-watching efforts until 2018, when the moratorium terminated.

Still, some lawyers and election veterans are troubled by the RNC’s hiring of Bobb given her history of election denialism and Trump’s obsession with debunked claims of fraud in 2020.
“I don’t think it’s a good thing when a major party hires fringe characters who don’t understand how elections work,” said David Becker, the executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research.
Other lawyers express similar worries about Bobb’s background.
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“It’s unclear whether the RNC wants those who are not already loyalists to take its commitment to ‘election integrity’ seriously,” said the former federal prosecutor and Columbia law professor Daniel Richman.
“But if it does, picking someone who, according to the Florida indictment against Trump, was the vehicle for certifying his false statements about returning all the classified documents in his possession, is an odd choice.”
Looking ahead, Chioma Chukwu, the deputy executive director of the watchdog group American Oversight, called Bobb’s hiring by the RNC “a dangerous sign of how entrenched the election denial movement has become on the right”.
 

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At least some of these guys are waking up, but a move from Trump to DeSantis isn’t much of a shift but he believes in democracy 👍
 

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Personally, America used to be a fun place to visit. One could sit in a bar, have a couple of pops, shoot the shit, bust balls a bit and even talk a little politics, disagree on some stuff and laugh it off. Clearly not the case any more. Open carry laws, even those who really shouldn't can pack heat with no or little checks and balances. Too much hate, lack of respect for women too much greed, now just real ugly. Politics is performance art and no longer about public service but self service. Perhaps like racism its just aiways been there and now there's no need to pretend. Through history great civilizations have come and gone. Maybe it's just time.
 

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Well said, and I think it's all part of the plan which is create mass division. I'm in my 50's and when I was growing up the intensity was nowhere whats like today. I talk about similar issues with my peers and we all agree. Today's society is far far too intense, seems like violence is hitting new highs and respect and humanity .....that's thrown out the window.




Personally, America used to be a fun place to visit. One could sit in a bar, have a couple of pops, shoot the shit, bust balls a bit and even talk a little politics, disagree on some stuff and laugh it off. Clearly not the case any more. Open carry laws, even those who really shouldn't can pack heat with no or little checks and balances. Too much hate, lack of respect for women too much greed, now just real ugly. Politics is performance art and no longer about public service but self service. Perhaps like racism its just aiways been there and now there's no need to pretend. Through history great civilizations have come and gone. Maybe it's just time.
 

angry anderson

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Well said, and I think it's all part of the plan which is create mass division. I'm in my 50's and when I was growing up the intensity was nowhere whats like today. I talk about similar issues with my peers and we all agree. Today's society is far far too intense, seems like violence is hitting new highs and respect and humanity .....that's thrown out the window.
'Carnivalesque grift': Trump blasted for campaign's hijack of religion over Easter holiday (msn.com)
 

Drjohn

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Sure, what's the big deal..
A little "apparent" fudging here and there (30,000 sq ft vs actual 10,000 sq ft)

Doesn't matter who does it, fraud is fraud and the facts were against him.
He was found liable for routinely exaggerating his wealth on financial statements (shocker) used to secure loans and insurance. But as usual his defence was all bluster.

Is this your best argument against Trump's fraud?
Probably not.
You missed my point, but that's OK.

Exaggerating your wealth in financial statements is not against the law.

It's common.

Let me explain it in simple terms that everyone can understand.

If I go the bank and ask to borrow a million dollars against a building I say is worth 10 million dollars, they don't just take my word for it.

They will do their own assessment and act accordingly.

This is what happened in New York with Trump.

When tax is assesed, that assessment is made by the tax department.

Trump doesn't decide how much tax he has to pay.

This is basic stuff.

Unless you have TDS.
 
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