USA Political Discussion Thread 2025

[80watts]

A side note from the Friday's backstabbing of Ukraine by Trump and JD.

Pretty much the western world knows that the USA supports some country and when a a US election is held, support is pulled from those countries.... Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, countries which all today are enemies of the USA. You can add Ukraine to the list.

The process of throwing Ukraine to the Russians is like dividing up the world. WW1 dividing up countries for the winners of WW1. Caused the problems to start WW2.

So I predict the next country that will be thrown under the bus will be Taiwan. As soon as those microchip plants are built in the USA, Trump will throw away Taiwan to China.

All this talk of tariffs and throwing away Ukraine proves that the USA is a falling power. Not only is its internal policies crumbling into a dictatorship, its losing the manufacturing capability to support high tech. Allready it is losing the people/workforce to make large warships, meaning the industrial war machine is slowly degrading its ability to make weapons to protect the USA. The further cutting of budget items using DOGE, will further weaken the industrial war machine.

The single most important weapon to the US is the missile. Missiles are expensive and few in number. For ships to be effective they would have to shoot 10-15 times their allotment in a conflict. So they cannot afford to have a long drawn out war at any time, unless they have 30-40 times their allotment for all ships.

Without high tech, the USA will lose the space race to China.

Dear President Chamberlain I wonder how you feel about peace in our time? I don't think history is going to look down on Trump in any nice way at all. I will now refer to Trump as President Chamberlain from now on....

 

[westwoody]

You have to wonder if magats are interested in the well being of America and Americans as a whole?
Or are they just interested in being on the winning side, regardless of the personal or societal cost.

 

[Motorman]

I've already noted why I think you should let it go.. not for the other guys sake but your own. I think it would be better for you as a person to stop holding on to the animosity. It's not healthy.
I agree with some of the things you've said, and you were, in fact correct that Trump would win. Keep in mind that a lot of what you're hearing is from people people who are upset and afraid over what they're seeing happen. I disagree that Trump being president is a good thing... in fact I think it's a terrible thing that will prove to be very bad for Canada, the USA and the rest of the world. I hope that I'm wrong. I would gladly apologize for being incorrect if it would only prove that Trump was a good thing. To be honest though, the best that Americans can hope for is that he ends up being overall better for America. I don't see in any wildly optimistic way that he'll be good for Canada or the rest of the world.
Do be patient. Your opinion has as much validity as anyone else's on here (even if I don't agree with you).

First, this thread should not be named a USA political discussion, it should be called, Canadians Hate Reality. However, I agree Trump is not good for Canada, Europe or Ukraine. He ran and won on MAGA. Obviously American voters want that to occur! The world has depended on American tax dollars too long. NATO was told ten years ago to build their military, but they elected to fund more social programs. Now look, all of Europe cannot collectively provide security to Ukraine. They still need the United States military for “backup”, which hopefully Trump will not provide. Nobody thought Trump would stop aid to Ukraine, the joke is on Europe! Now little Z is begging for forgiveness! As for tariffs, when either Mexico or Canada capitulates, and they will, the other will fall on their sword as well. I personally believe that because Canada is extremely weak economically, it will fall first. To be clear, I do not believe Trump and other Americans wish harm upon other countries, we are just tired of subsidizing other nations. Few people on this thread understand economics 101, but the attached article may shed some light on the BC budget. Ontario is much worse off. Trump wants to motivate American companies to come home and unless Canadian politicians stop talking like Z did at the White House, tariffs will destroy your economy. Americans will fill some price inflation and the stock market will temporarily go down, but if it goes long enough, it will plunge Canada into a depression, which is the reason Canada will be first to kiss the ring. The second link will provide a little tidbit about NATO. Military funding costs a ton of money and I think most Americans are sick of being the worlds police force. Yes I know the USA starts stupid wars, but Trump is anti war, which I think is awesome. Canada takes advantage of its geographical location next to the US by not funding NATO. Be that as it may, I believe NATO and the UN should be disbanded.

https://www.biv.com/news/economy-la...ver-budget-as-trump-confirms-tariffs-10312106

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Jou...uly-August-2024/Who-in-NATO-Is-Ready-for-War/

 

[GeeBeeP]

Following Hitler’s script.
Hitler used his SA stormtroopers to cause havoc in the streets. They fought rivals in brawls and disrupted rallies for opposing candidates. Then he purged them and murdered most of their leaders.
He declared a state of emergency and that was the end of democracy.
Trump would love to do the same. Watch for manufactured chaos and the creation of targeted enemies ie “immigrants” and “liberals”.
The real turning point will be the next general election. If he loses will he give up power? Will he suspend elections?

From the playbook today: Quell protest and threaten those who speak out. Call any form of protest “illegal” and create enemies.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...nding-schools-columbia-university-1235287499/

 

[marsvolta]

here we go! the EU takes command and will build a military industrial complex that will rival the US.

EU chief unveils 800-billion-euro plan to 'rearm' Europe

and it needs to be clear that this does not help the US... it undermines the military industrial complex of the US.

 

[marsvolta]

First, this thread should not be named a USA political discussion, it should be called, Canadians Hate Reality. However, I agree Trump is not good for Canada, Europe or Ukraine. He ran and won on MAGA. Obviously American voters want that to occur! The world has depended on American tax dollars too long. NATO was told ten years ago to build their military, but they elected to fund more social programs. Now look, all of Europe cannot collectively provide security to Ukraine. They still need the United States military for “backup”, which hopefully Trump will not provide. Nobody thought Trump would stop aid to Ukraine, the joke is on Europe! Now little Z is begging for forgiveness! As for tariffs, when either Mexico or Canada capitulates, and they will, the other will fall on their sword as well. I personally believe that because Canada is extremely weak economically, it will fall first. To be clear, I do not believe Trump and other Americans wish harm upon other countries, we are just tired of subsidizing other nations. Few people on this thread understand economics 101, but the attached article may shed some light on the BC budget. Ontario is much worse off. Trump wants to motivate American companies to come home and unless Canadian politicians stop talking like Z did at the White House, tariffs will destroy your economy. Americans will fill some price inflation and the stock market will temporarily go down, but if it goes long enough, it will plunge Canada into a depression, which is the reason Canada will be first to kiss the ring. The second link will provide a little tidbit about NATO. Military funding costs a ton of money and I think most Americans are sick of being the worlds police force. Yes I know the USA starts stupid wars, but Trump is anti war, which I think is awesome. Canada takes advantage of its geographical location next to the US by not funding NATO. Be that as it may, I believe NATO and the UN should be disbanded.

https://www.biv.com/news/economy-la...ver-budget-as-trump-confirms-tariffs-10312106

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Jou...uly-August-2024/Who-in-NATO-Is-Ready-for-War/

but you are not following why the US has been "subsidizing" world security for the last 80 years. and Trump is too dumb to understand it. it is NOT a situation where they get nothing from it... in fact, they are rulers of the earth because of it, both from a military and economic perspective.

in policing the earths trade routes and political destinies, the US set up a system where globalization, the process of taking many small economic pyramids and joining them into one big pyramid, made their own economy occupy the top pyramid globally. the very strength of the US economy relies on that global infrastructure. whether that being policing of trade routes or ensuring that developing countries adopt liberal democracies with free enterprise so that US interests that have large economic bulk can come in and dominate.

and all of this was possible because the US came out on top financially and militarily after WWII and was immediately able to spend more on the military due to benefits of the system it was building funnelling through US economic markets. it further invested vast sums of this new found wealth into research and development both at home and abroad, but always made sure that it supported its own dominance in a positive feedback loop.

the world currency is the US dollar. the world finance system runs through US controlled currency controls. the premier investment market on earth is that of the US.

when the US steps away from that role then the US loses that position of top pyramid in the global economy. there will be medium term instability but the US may not dominate in the future under similar attitudes.

the EU has just announced that it will match US military spending globally. they will now be able to police trade routes and dominate developing economies with security guarantees. and on that path they and others will have a chance to take the dominant global role.

we in Canada have benefited immensely from being so close to the US for all of this but our leaders flying to Europe all of a sudden shows a recognition that we may want to change teams soon.

 

[Pumped]

So I was at a social gathering of my friends yesterday. Just a bunch of old guys, 90% white, 90% over 50, mostly moderates or right wing. We had one fellow there who was trying to convince us that we should literally should sell out our Canada to the US, take the money. He was saying that Kevin O'Leary was the guy who could lead us into a brilliant deal. He didn't get any takers. The guy is retired from the military and the police. I wonder how deep the US leaning is within the military and the police. My gut feeling is that most military will fight for our country. Not so sure about the police though, especially the older white dudes. Left me deflated.

Police did fuck all with controlling the clownvoy, they will do fuck all to protect anyone.

 

[Pumped]

First, this thread should not be named a USA political discussion, it should be called, Canadians Hate Reality. However, I agree Trump is not good for Canada, Europe or Ukraine. He ran and won on MAGA. Obviously American voters want that to occur! The world has depended on American tax dollars too long. NATO was told ten years ago to build their military, but they elected to fund more social programs. Now look, all of Europe cannot collectively provide security to Ukraine. They still need the United States military for “backup”, which hopefully Trump will not provide. Nobody thought Trump would stop aid to Ukraine, the joke is on Europe! Now little Z is begging for forgiveness! As for tariffs, when either Mexico or Canada capitulates, and they will, the other will fall on their sword as well. I personally believe that because Canada is extremely weak economically, it will fall first. To be clear, I do not believe Trump and other Americans wish harm upon other countries, we are just tired of subsidizing other nations. Few people on this thread understand economics 101, but the attached article may shed some light on the BC budget. Ontario is much worse off. Trump wants to motivate American companies to come home and unless Canadian politicians stop talking like Z did at the White House, tariffs will destroy your economy. Americans will fill some price inflation and the stock market will temporarily go down, but if it goes long enough, it will plunge Canada into a depression, which is the reason Canada will be first to kiss the ring. The second link will provide a little tidbit about NATO. Military funding costs a ton of money and I think most Americans are sick of being the worlds police force. Yes I know the USA starts stupid wars, but Trump is anti war, which I think is awesome. Canada takes advantage of its geographical location next to the US by not funding NATO. Be that as it may, I believe NATO and the UN should be disbanded.

https://www.biv.com/news/economy-la...ver-budget-as-trump-confirms-tariffs-10312106

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Jou...uly-August-2024/Who-in-NATO-Is-Ready-for-War/

God, what an idiotic take on the rise of fascism. I don't think I've ever read anything so completely stupid in my entire life.

Canada will not kiss the ring, bend the knee or any of these other fantasies your pathetic life wishes for.

Where does most of the money that the US spends on the military go? American military manufacturers. And most of the stuff that has been sent to Ukraine to fight this war you chicken-shit Americans are too frightened to support, was second rate and due to be decommissioned -- so you fucks actually SAVED money by sending it to Ukraine.

And all those putative 'wars' you stupid fucks started? Yeah, ALL for your economic benefit. No one else's.

And who fought in those stupid fucking useless wars YOU started? The same people whose economies you are now trying to destroy.

Who has come to your aid every time you needed help? Canada.

How often have you come to our aid. None. Not once. Never.

So stop spreading Putin-propoganda and stay the fuck out of Canada.

 

[MRGREEN]

Folks clearly have way too much time on their hands.

 

[Motorman]

but you are not following why the US has been "subsidizing" world security for the last 80 years. and Trump is too dumb to understand it. it is NOT a situation where they get nothing from it... in fact, they are rulers of the earth because of it, both from a military and economic perspective.

in policing the earths trade routes and political destinies, the US set up a system where globalization, the process of taking many small economic pyramids and joining them into one big pyramid, made their own economy occupy the top pyramid globally. the very strength of the US economy relies on that global infrastructure. whether that being policing of trade routes or ensuring that developing countries adopt liberal democracies with free enterprise so that US interests that have large economic bulk can come in and dominate.

and all of this was possible because the US came out on top financially and militarily after WWII and was immediately able to spend more on the military due to benefits of the system it was building funnelling through US economic markets. it further invested vast sums of this new found wealth into research and development both at home and abroad, but always made sure that it supported its own dominance in a positive feedback loop.

the world currency is the US dollar. the world finance system runs through US controlled currency controls. the premier investment market on earth is that of the US.

when the US steps away from that role then the US loses that position of top pyramid in the global economy. there will be medium term instability but the US may not dominate in the future under similar attitudes.

the EU has just announced that it will match US military spending globally. they will now be able to police trade routes and dominate developing economies with security guarantees. and on that path they and others will have a chance to take the dominant global role.

we in Canada have benefited immensely from being so close to the US for all of this but our leaders flying to Europe all of a sudden shows a recognition that we may want to change teams soon.

I agree with most of what you wrote. I totally understand the US is able to control most nations due to its wealth and without firing a shot. I also believe that is a good thing. However, due to Americas wealth, the US may be able still keep control and reduce the burden on taxpayers. The US is the largest market by capital in the world. It has more spending power than Russia and China combined. Industrialized countries need to sell stuff to Americans. I will use Canada as an example. Canada can sell oil to Europe, but due to transport cost, Canada will need to charge more, and the EU can buy it at less cost from a closer oil producer. That applies to lumber, eggs and everything. North America is a huge island. It is dollars and cents…..basic math. Whereas the US can not only buy much greater volume (think of Costco), within a couple of years, the US will produce more oil than any country in the world. Nobody should be surprised by Trumps actions, he warned everyone about tariffs and the MAGA agenda long before he was elected. Because Canadas GDP to debt ratio is so poor, unless your politicians see the light, Canadians are in for a rough ride. This is what I don’t get, Trudeau and Ford acknowledged today that the tariffs will “destroy“ the Canadian economy. Automakers in Canada are already planning to shut down assembly lines next week. They produce about 20,000 vehicles per day. Think of the lost revenue and unemployment that will cause. Yet Trudeau and Ford are grandstanding IFO Canadians. That didn’t go very well for President Z. My guess is, before its too late, Canada will kiss the ring. Like Z, they have no choice. Afterward, Mexico will fall in line as well, however, China is a different animal. I don’t know what Canada can do to avoid this mess. I do know Trump ran on bringing auto manufacturers back to Michigan. If and when that occurs, Canada will take a huge hit as well. IMHO only two things will help Canada, higher taxes and social program cuts. Don’t blame Trump, your elected officials put you in this predicament. The same is true about Europe. Nobody should be surprised and everyone should have prepared. Politicians try not to stir the pot, Trump is a businessman, not a politician.

 

[masterblaster]

I agree with most of what you wrote. I totally understand the US is able to control most nations due to its wealth and without firing a shot. I also believe that is a good thing. However, due to Americas wealth, the US may be able still keep control and reduce the burden on taxpayers. The US is the largest market by capital in the world. It has more spending power than Russia and China combined. Industrialized countries need to sell stuff to Americans. I will use Canada as an example. Canada can sell oil to Europe, but due to transport cost, Canada will need to charge more, and the EU can buy it at less cost from a closer oil producer. That applies to lumber, eggs and everything. North America is a huge island. It is dollars and cents…..basic math. Whereas the US can not only buy much greater volume (think of Costco), within a couple of years, the US will produce more oil than any country in the world. Nobody should be surprised by Trumps actions, he warned everyone about tariffs and the MAGA agenda long before he was elected. Because Canadas GDP to debt ratio is so poor, unless your politicians see the light, Canadians are in for a rough ride. This is what I don’t get, Trudeau and Ford acknowledged today that the tariffs will “destroy“ the Canadian economy. Automakers in Canada are already planning to shut down assembly lines next week. They produce about 20,000 vehicles per day. Think of the lost revenue and unemployment that will cause. Yet Trudeau and Ford are grandstanding IFO Canadians. That didn’t go very well for President Z. My guess is, before its too late, Canada will kiss the ring. Like Z, they have no choice. Afterward, Mexico will fall in line as well, however, China is a different animal. I don’t know what Canada can do to avoid this mess. I do know Trump ran on bringing auto manufacturers back to Michigan. If and when that occurs, Canada will take a huge hit as well. IMHO only two things will help Canada, higher taxes and social program cuts. Don’t blame Trump, your elected officials put you in this predicament. The same is true about Europe. Nobody should be surprised and everyone should have prepared. Politicians try not to stir the pot, Trump is a businessman, not a politician.

Trump is an asshole, like someone else, just can’t think of their name right now.

 

[Motorman]

I agree with most of what you wrote. I totally understand the US is able to control most nations due to its wealth and without firing a shot. I also believe that is a good thing. However, due to Americas wealth, the US may be able still keep control and reduce the burden on taxpayers. The US is the largest market by capital in the world. It has more spending power than Russia and China combined. Industrialized countries need to sell stuff to Americans. I will use Canada as an example. Canada can sell oil to Europe, but due to transport cost, Canada will need to charge more, and the EU can buy it at less cost from a closer oil producer. That applies to lumber, eggs and everything. North America is a huge island. It is dollars and cents…..basic math. Whereas the US can not only buy much greater volume (think of Costco), within a couple of years, the US will produce more oil than any country in the world. Nobody should be surprised by Trumps actions, he warned everyone about tariffs and the MAGA agenda long before he was elected. Because Canadas GDP to debt ratio is so poor, unless your politicians see the light, Canadians are in for a rough ride. This is what I don’t get, Trudeau and Ford acknowledged today that the tariffs will “destroy“ the Canadian economy. Automakers in Canada are already planning to shut down assembly lines next week. They produce about 20,000 vehicles per day. Think of the lost revenue and unemployment that will cause. Yet Trudeau and Ford are grandstanding IFO Canadians. That didn’t go very well for President Z. My guess is, before its too late, Canada will kiss the ring. Like Z, they have no choice. Afterward, Mexico will fall in line as well, however, China is a different animal. I don’t know what Canada can do to avoid this mess. I do know Trump ran on bringing auto manufacturers back to Michigan. If and when that occurs, Canada will take a huge hit as well. IMHO only two things will help Canada, higher taxes and social program cuts. Don’t blame Trump, your elected officials put you in this predicament. The same is true about Europe. Nobody should be surprised and everyone should have prepared. Politicians try not to stir the pot, Trump is a businessman, not a politician.

Right again!

 

[Crookedmember]

Tariffs will likely die soon because the orange imbecile didn't foresee the damage his insanity would do to US markets.

And yes, he is an imbecile, and the worst deal maker ever. My dog shits smarter ones than Trump.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/tariffs-markets-courts-impact-1.7473873

 

[marsvolta]

I agree with most of what you wrote. I totally understand the US is able to control most nations due to its wealth and without firing a shot. I also believe that is a good thing. However, due to Americas wealth, the US may be able still keep control and reduce the burden on taxpayers. The US is the largest market by capital in the world. It has more spending power than Russia and China combined. Industrialized countries need to sell stuff to Americans. I will use Canada as an example. Canada can sell oil to Europe, but due to transport cost, Canada will need to charge more, and the EU can buy it at less cost from a closer oil producer. That applies to lumber, eggs and everything. North America is a huge island. It is dollars and cents…..basic math. Whereas the US can not only buy much greater volume (think of Costco), within a couple of years, the US will produce more oil than any country in the world. Nobody should be surprised by Trumps actions, he warned everyone about tariffs and the MAGA agenda long before he was elected. Because Canadas GDP to debt ratio is so poor, unless your politicians see the light, Canadians are in for a rough ride. This is what I don’t get, Trudeau and Ford acknowledged today that the tariffs will “destroy“ the Canadian economy. Automakers in Canada are already planning to shut down assembly lines next week. They produce about 20,000 vehicles per day. Think of the lost revenue and unemployment that will cause. Yet Trudeau and Ford are grandstanding IFO Canadians. That didn’t go very well for President Z. My guess is, before its too late, Canada will kiss the ring. Like Z, they have no choice. Afterward, Mexico will fall in line as well, however, China is a different animal. I don’t know what Canada can do to avoid this mess. I do know Trump ran on bringing auto manufacturers back to Michigan. If and when that occurs, Canada will take a huge hit as well. IMHO only two things will help Canada, higher taxes and social program cuts. Don’t blame Trump, your elected officials put you in this predicament. The same is true about Europe. Nobody should be surprised and everyone should have prepared. Politicians try not to stir the pot, Trump is a businessman, not a politician.

its too simplistic though to think that unspecific tariffs will drive a new manufacturing era in the US. and unfortunately, simplistic is all that Trump understands.

indeed, one can be more specific in tariffs and target particular industries and support that with government funding/loans to achieve specific outcomes. but even that won't always work. US auto companies are going to suffer... and yet Japanese and South Korean auto makers are going to thrive. Canada is part of the auto pack because Canada can create their own tariffs on auto to ensure that automobiles get produced in Canada. all thats going to happen is that Japanese and South Korean auto will get invited to fill the void here in Canada and US vehicles will be too expensive in Canada.

are Americans going to be happy about toothbrushes being $8 because they are produced in the US? the whole reason for offshoring labour is to reduce costs and increase the materialistic wealth of the population.

in other western countries this increased wealth is taxed more... and indeed, these "social programs" are often just a front for distributing the wealth by hiring more government workers and offering decent paying jobs. this is how countries temper the effects of globalization on those industries that can't compete with offshoring (toothbrushes for $1). its necessary in that scenario.

there are a thousand other reasons why isolationism does not compete with globalization. people will suffer if the richest simply don't want to share to those who are being left behind.

and then we don't even have to talk about potash and stuff that the US will never have. why make that more expensive for the US? there is a reason...Trump has this stupid idea that he can actually replace taxation in the US with tariffs. he appears to be the only person in the country who is unable to do the math.

and its pretty easy to thread the needle why just about everything from tariffs to Ukraine to DOGE is happening. Trump raised the deficit more than any other one term president. continuing his 40% decrease in corporate tax cuts this year will require the GOP to find at least $2T in either cuts or revenue in order to extend the tax cuts without Democratic support. DOGE is not finding anything close. if all federal employees were fired it would be less that 5% of US spending. the GOP have already identified that they will need to par back Medicaid by $880B. Trump has met with GOP leaders to figure out if tariff income can be applied as revenue and i'm sure he thinks that a $500B resources deal with Ukraine should be applied as well.

so this chaos is all geared towards getting corporate tax cuts extended. it seems that Trump is willing to throw everything into the chipper in order to find that path. his own supporters in the electorate can jump into the chipper as well as far as he is concerned.

 

[ChromeGasCap]

 

[Newuser505]

Market manipulation. Trump may indeed become the greatest con man in the history of the world

 

[80watts]

I agree with most of what you wrote. I totally understand the US is able to control most nations due to its wealth and without firing a shot. I also believe that is a good thing. However, due to Americas wealth, the US may be able still keep control and reduce the burden on taxpayers. The US is the largest market by capital in the world. It has more spending power than Russia and China combined. Industrialized countries need to sell stuff to Americans. I will use Canada as an example. Canada can sell oil to Europe, but due to transport cost, Canada will need to charge more, and the EU can buy it at less cost from a closer oil producer. That applies to lumber, eggs and everything. North America is a huge island. It is dollars and cents…..basic math. Whereas the US can not only buy much greater volume (think of Costco), within a couple of years, the US will produce more oil than any country in the world. Nobody should be surprised by Trumps actions, he warned everyone about tariffs and the MAGA agenda long before he was elected. Because Canadas GDP to debt ratio is so poor, unless your politicians see the light, Canadians are in for a rough ride. This is what I don’t get, Trudeau and Ford acknowledged today that the tariffs will “destroy“ the Canadian economy. Automakers in Canada are already planning to shut down assembly lines next week. They produce about 20,000 vehicles per day. Think of the lost revenue and unemployment that will cause. Yet Trudeau and Ford are grandstanding IFO Canadians. That didn’t go very well for President Z. My guess is, before its too late, Canada will kiss the ring. Like Z, they have no choice. Afterward, Mexico will fall in line as well, however, China is a different animal. I don’t know what Canada can do to avoid this mess. I do know Trump ran on bringing auto manufacturers back to Michigan. If and when that occurs, Canada will take a huge hit as well. IMHO only two things will help Canada, higher taxes and social program cuts. Don’t blame Trump, your elected officials put you in this predicament. The same is true about Europe. Nobody should be surprised and everyone should have prepared. Politicians try not to stir the pot, Trump is a businessman, not a politician.

Alot of Americans compare America to the Roman Empire. Right now the American Empire is falling.
China's Economy is just as big as the USA. China is smart with its Belt and road initiative; linking countries through trade routes, that are not controlled by the USA. China's Belt and Road initiative goes around India. The biggest rising economies are China and India and any south Asian country (Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand, etc), mostly because of the cheap labour they supply.
China is investing in countries the USA has overlooked; look at Panama, Mexico, Alot of islands in the Pacific. And they are putting up military bases or help to supply policing in those countries.
Russia has the resources and China has the cheap labour, all bad news for the USA. Pls note that although US has alot of resources, it has also destroyed its environment by industrialization. Not the smart type of industrialization, but the toxic kind where toxic waste was just dumped into the stream, rivers, canals and oceans in the USA. Look at the Hudson river in NY. Pretty much like raping the land and moving to another place.
Pls note that most rare earth metals are only mined in China....
Trumps Tariffs are only going to make things worse for the US economy, causing a depression, which will cause a change of government type, which Trump is hoping for. Yes he is setting himself up to be a dictator/King. World wide there is a reason kings were displaced and it had to do with the economy of the lower classes.
Zelenskyy was backstabbed( and sold out to Russia) by Trump. Zelenskyy is being forced to make the deal of minerals for the USA in return for peace with Russia. I predict he will lose Crimea, and the Donbass area and the land taken by Russian troops and will have to give up the Russian land now occupied by Ukraine. Ukraine will then be dis-armed, and Russia will walk in again with no opposition.... the KGB will disappear Ukrainians... I am sure Trump will have something positive to say about disappearing Ukrainians....

As for Canadian oil , the crude from Alberta is being sold to the US under market value. So by selling to Europe we as Canadians will make more. Canadians can survive a winter in Canada, they can survive this mess too. After all we survive as a nation through the dirty 30s. Something that was exported to the world with the ny stock exchange crash in 1929.... Because of this crash, tariffs rose and is one of the implying economic factors that lead to WW2.

As for kissing ass, being forced to kiss ass, Karma will always be involved.

The only thing that will solve this mess is to take out the common factor....

To make products you need cheap labour to keep the unit price down. Paying someone 40.00 US compared to 3.00 US (Asian), means profit for a company....Not having safety rules, environmental rules increase profit. Greed is at the base of this economy. Since the 1960 manufacturing has been going overseas to cheaper places in China and SW Asia. Shipbuilding went to Japan and then in the 1980s to Korea. Tomorrow it will be India.

 

[carvesg]

Market manipulation. Trump may indeed become the greatest con man in the history of the world

Already is as he got elected twice !

Yep him and his cronies are lining up their pockets by swinging the market back and forth ...not so much when he implements as he telegraphs ahead of time but when he withdraws the Tariffs on a whim .

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

I agree with most of what you wrote. I totally understand the US is able to control most nations due to its wealth and without firing a shot. I also believe that is a good thing. However, due to Americas wealth, the US may be able still keep control and reduce the burden on taxpayers. The US is the largest market by capital in the world. It has more spending power than Russia and China combined. Industrialized countries need to sell stuff to Americans. I will use Canada as an example. Canada can sell oil to Europe, but due to transport cost, Canada will need to charge more, and the EU can buy it at less cost from a closer oil producer. That applies to lumber, eggs and everything. North America is a huge island. It is dollars and cents…..basic math. Whereas the US can not only buy much greater volume (think of Costco), within a couple of years, the US will produce more oil than any country in the world. Nobody should be surprised by Trumps actions, he warned everyone about tariffs and the MAGA agenda long before he was elected. Because Canadas GDP to debt ratio is so poor, unless your politicians see the light, Canadians are in for a rough ride. This is what I don’t get, Trudeau and Ford acknowledged today that the tariffs will “destroy“ the Canadian economy. Automakers in Canada are already planning to shut down assembly lines next week. They produce about 20,000 vehicles per day. Think of the lost revenue and unemployment that will cause. Yet Trudeau and Ford are grandstanding IFO Canadians. That didn’t go very well for President Z. My guess is, before its too late, Canada will kiss the ring. Like Z, they have no choice. Afterward, Mexico will fall in line as well, however, China is a different animal. I don’t know what Canada can do to avoid this mess. I do know Trump ran on bringing auto manufacturers back to Michigan. If and when that occurs, Canada will take a huge hit as well. IMHO only two things will help Canada, higher taxes and social program cuts. Don’t blame Trump, your elected officials put you in this predicament. The same is true about Europe. Nobody should be surprised and everyone should have prepared. Politicians try not to stir the pot, Trump is a businessman, not a politician.

EU will support Canada before it does the US, oil shipments are not that complicated, right now oil leaving our Burnaby Terminal travels via Panama Canal to Texas. It’s like a 3 week turnaround each way, that oil gets refined into products and goes to Asia taking another couple weeks, seems crazy, we can ship to Asia from the northern ports in 5 days. The US debt is 36.22 trillion right now, that’s very very bad, the apple is rotten through and throug, it’s no good for anyone and you have two psychopaths in control 😵‍💫

 

[Harmony-bc]