USA Political Discussion Thread 2025

thevalleydude

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Canada may feel some economic pain as a result of Americans putting an elderly lunatic in the White House.

But not nearly as much economic pain as his supporters will feel when Trump chops their Medicaid, Obamacare and $35 insulin to pay for another round of tax cuts for the billionaires who bought him the presidency.

Americans are suckers. And I won't feel the least bit sorry for them.

Don't worry about Canada. We'll be OK.
Did Joy Reid tell you that? Oh hey look. Who knew that Tim Walz was actually a nazi???? How did Mr Motorscooter miss that one? Do I have to do all the hard work here digging them out here?

 
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I don’t understand the Canadian hate for Trump and his millions of supporters. He has not hurt Canada…..yet! The guy is all about making America the greatest nation on earth, nobody should hate the POTUS for that goal. People on this forum write about things that they hear, or read. For example, his tax cuts in 2017 did not just benefit the wealthy, the cuts saved me about $30k per year. Although I don’t agree with the deal, until he threatened the Middle East, the war would still be raging. There is no doubt countries fear him, as they should. Now the Mexican Cartels are digging bunkers, which is a good thing. It is about time the US strikes cartels where they live. Canadian anger should be directed at Ontario for living above their means and the Mexican government for its cartel corruption. All the tariff talk is about paying for no tax on tips and Social Security, which doesn’t affect billionaires and is an awesome idea.
 
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Have we really arrived at the point where some lack the capacity to discern a friendly wave from a Nazi salute?

Sad!
Very sad !

Desperation and shame is their driver to explain and redirect the attention right now after Musk's gestures.
 

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The stupidity of people for not being able to tell the difference
People know the difference, but use every excuse to trash
The stupidity of people for not being able to tell the difference
People know the difference, but just have a difficult time accepting the truth. All the Hitler, racist and dictator stuff certainly did not prevent the people that spewed those lies from attending the inauguration and shaking trumps hand. Trump won all seven swing states for a reason. The so called convicted felon won in a landslide. Democrats tried to remove him from ballots, civilly sued him, prosecuted him for a sexual assault based on one woman’s word in which she could not remember the day it allegedly occurred. They indicted him multiple times and convicted him for a crime that nobody truly understands. 51 of what was supposed to be the most trusted people in the United States said the laptop was fake, when in fact, two years earlier, the FBI proved it was authentic. Then they tried to kill him. Regardless, how a person feels about trumps political beliefs, you got to respect the person for never giving up. Give the guy a chance, he may make the world a safer better place. Just expect your taxes to increase.
 

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Lets be real here...
Canada can not just cut off oil to refineries in the US.
Who would refine oil for OUR needs??

This is not a right wing point, it is reality..
You can not go into battle only believing you have some advantage, where in fact there is no advantage.
Isn't there a refinery in alberta and in Vancouver. If the capacity is not enough, about time Canadians built one that can produce gas and diesel at least.

For years manufacturing, heavy industry has been disappearing from Canada. A trade war maybe people should start thinking we can do things again. Fuck the Americans you cannot let them dictate Canadian policy to Canadians.

Basicly Canadian industry needs to grow a fucken big pair of balls.....
Mine and produce our own steel. If it is done at volume it becomes cheap enough, and with it comes long term employment.

High rises use steel beams, and they don't need to be warmed during winter time.
 

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Isn't there a refinery in alberta and in Vancouver. If the capacity is not enough, about time Canadians built one that can produce gas and diesel at least.

For years manufacturing, heavy industry has been disappearing from Canada. A trade war maybe people should start thinking we can do things again. Fuck the Americans you cannot let them dictate Canadian policy to Canadians.

Basicly Canadian industry needs to grow a fucken big pair of balls.....
Mine and produce our own steel. If it is done at volume it becomes cheap enough, and with it comes long term employment.

High rises use steel beams, and they don't need to be warmed during winter time.
I agree totally...
Canadian Industry needs to grow big balls.
The Government also has to create an environment whereby industry can flourish.
If we create more refineries in order to accommodate our own capacity requirements, it would not align with the governments environment initiatives.
 

carvesg

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I don’t understand the Canadian hate for Trump and his millions of supporters. He has not hurt Canada…..yet! The guy is all about making America the greatest nation on earth, nobody should hate the POTUS for that goal. People on this forum write about things that they hear, or read. For example, his tax cuts in 2017 did not just benefit the wealthy, the cuts saved me about $30k per year. Although I don’t agree with the deal, until he threatened the Middle East, the war would still be raging. There is no doubt countries fear him, as they should. Now the Mexican Cartels are digging bunkers, which is a good thing. It is about time the US strikes cartels where they live. Canadian anger should be directed at Ontario for living above their means and the Mexican government for its cartel corruption. All the tariff talk is about paying for no tax on tips and Social Security, which doesn’t affect billionaires and is an awesome idea.
Oh he's back

Wow it's been a lot of typing in 12 hours since your return

Did you do some self reflecting during your suspension ? Learned something from it ?

Seems like you were not able to find a Sexual and erotic services forum or website or the equivalent to Perb in your restrictive America ... Were you not able to find something similar to talk about politics among the animee, cosplay or right wing fantasia forums ...since those are allowed in the US ?

No worries we welcome your funny takes on trump's rhetoric...it is entertaining...its like a jambalaya of words from him that you juggle with in an attempt to rationalize it. You are not as eloquent as trump can be but you are as entertaining for different reasons.
 

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Isn't there a refinery in alberta and in Vancouver. If the capacity is not enough, about time Canadians built one that can produce gas and diesel at least.

For years manufacturing, heavy industry has been disappearing from Canada. A trade war maybe people should start thinking we can do things again. Fuck the Americans you cannot let them dictate Canadian policy to Canadians.

Basicly Canadian industry needs to grow a fucken big pair of balls.....
Mine and produce our own steel. If it is done at volume it becomes cheap enough, and with it comes long term employment.

High rises use steel beams, and they don't need to be warmed during winter time.
Last I heard we had 3 oil refineries in Canada: New Brunswick (Irving), one in Ontario, one in Alberta. The small Chevron one in Burnaby was closed down years ago.

All together, not nearly enough capacity to call ourselves self-sufficient.

Building a new refinery in Canada is pretty much a non-starter. Can you image the decades of environmental reviews and regulations? The mind-numbing indigenous consultations required with the subsequent hereditary chiefs or splinter tribes holding out, the protests, negative media, and government idiocy along the way?

And even if a big corporation with the mega investment funds needed to build it came forward, our labour costs to operate it would be ridiculous, and then the janitors would go on strike and the rest of the unions wouldn’t cross the picket line, so the whole thing gets shut down.

This isn’t an industry problem—industry has the balls. This is a national and provincial policy and red-tape problem. What corporation in their right mind would possibly invest in such a white elephant?

We Canadians reaped what our governments sowed. That is why we continue to export our raw ingredients instead of manufactured products. We voted them in. That’s gotta change if we ever want to achieve a strong manufacturing and industrial economy again.

I believe Canadians have the know-how and entrepreneurial spirit. However our Liberal government ideology combined with more recent societal confusion about what real work looks like results in an economy where we just export raw materials and massage each other’s data.

Our value proposition to the world is pretty weak economically, but we’ve got niceness and hockey locked up!
 

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Last I heard we had 3 oil refineries in Canada: New Brunswick (Irving), one in Ontario, one in Alberta. The small Chevron one in Burnaby was closed down years ago.

All together, not nearly enough capacity to call ourselves self-sufficient.

Building a new refinery in Canada is pretty much a non-starter. Can you image the decades of environmental reviews and regulations? The mind-numbing indigenous consultations required with the subsequent hereditary chiefs or splinter tribes holding out, the protests, negative media, and government idiocy along the way?

And even if a big corporation with the mega investment funds needed to build it came forward, our labour costs to operate it would be ridiculous, and then the janitors would go on strike and the rest of the unions wouldn’t cross the picket line, so the whole thing gets shut down.

This isn’t an industry problem—industry has the balls. This is a national and provincial policy and red-tape problem. What corporation in their right mind would possibly invest in such a white elephant?

We Canadians reaped what our governments sowed. That is why we continue to export our raw ingredients instead of manufactured products. We voted them in. That’s gotta change if we ever want to achieve a strong manufacturing and industrial economy again.

I believe Canadians have the know-how and entrepreneurial spirit. However our Liberal government ideology combined with more recent societal confusion about what real work looks like results in an economy where we just export raw materials and massage each other’s data.

Our value proposition to the world is pretty weak economically, but we’ve got niceness and hockey locked up!
There are 5 refineries in Alberta alone, six if you count the one at Bowden which I’m not sure operates any more.
 

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Last I heard we had 3 oil refineries in Canada: New Brunswick (Irving), one in Ontario, one in Alberta. The small Chevron one in Burnaby was closed down years ago.

All together, not nearly enough capacity to call ourselves self-sufficient.

Building a new refinery in Canada is pretty much a non-starter. Can you image the decades of environmental reviews and regulations? The mind-numbing indigenous consultations required with the subsequent hereditary chiefs or splinter tribes holding out, the protests, negative media, and government idiocy along the way?

And even if a big corporation with the mega investment funds needed to build it came forward, our labour costs to operate it would be ridiculous, and then the janitors would go on strike and the rest of the unions wouldn’t cross the picket line, so the whole thing gets shut down.

This isn’t an industry problem—industry has the balls. This is a national and provincial policy and red-tape problem. What corporation in their right mind would possibly invest in such a white elephant?

We Canadians reaped what our governments sowed. That is why we continue to export our raw ingredients instead of manufactured products. We voted them in. That’s gotta change if we ever want to achieve a strong manufacturing and industrial economy again.

I believe Canadians have the know-how and entrepreneurial spirit. However our Liberal government ideology combined with more recent societal confusion about what real work looks like results in an economy where we just export raw materials and massage each other’s data.

Our value proposition to the world is pretty weak economically, but we’ve got niceness and hockey locked up!
We actually have 17 refineries across the provinces . BC 2 , Alberta 5 , SK 1 , Ontario 5 , Québec 3 , NB 2 and NFLD 1 .

The rest of your arguments are all valid points .

I would not throw the blame squarely on the Liberals for the lack of processing in Canada for oil or manufacturing as we were discussing and debating those points in economics back in the 80s . I remember a professor emphasized the Alberta oil sand refining requirements which were lacking at the time and were never addressed in over 35 years or more . The lack of vision and planning is a result of poor management on both sides of the political spectrum.
 
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Motorman

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Last I heard we had 3 oil refineries in Canada: New Brunswick (Irving), one in Ontario, one in Alberta. The small Chevron one in Burnaby was closed down years ago.

All together, not nearly enough capacity to call ourselves self-sufficient.

Building a new refinery in Canada is pretty much a non-starter. Can you image the decades of environmental reviews and regulations? The mind-numbing indigenous consultations required with the subsequent hereditary chiefs or splinter tribes holding out, the protests, negative media, and government idiocy along the way?

And even if a big corporation with the mega investment funds needed to build it came forward, our labour costs to operate it would be ridiculous, and then the janitors would go on strike and the rest of the unions wouldn’t cross the picket line, so the whole thing gets shut down.

This isn’t an industry problem—industry has the balls. This is a national and provincial policy and red-tape problem. What corporation in their right mind would possibly invest in such a white elephant?

We Canadians reaped what our governments sowed. That is why we continue to export our raw ingredients instead of manufactured products. We voted them in. That’s gotta change if we ever want to achieve a strong manufacturing and industrial economy again.

I believe Canadians have the know-how and entrepreneurial spirit. However our Liberal government ideology combined with more recent societal confusion about what real work looks like results in an economy where we just export raw materials and massage each other’s data.

Our value proposition to the world is pretty weak economically, but we’ve got niceness and hockey locked up!
That is the smartest thing I have read on this forum! That is also one reason so many Americans voted for Trump. The climate change crap is out of control and kneecapping business. China and India do not care about clean energy and if those two countries do not participate, all the environmental regulations are useless! The liberal left have convinced their sheep the climate is changing because of pollution. Change should be called evolution, but liberals love to scare their flock just so they can keep power. Rebuilding from the fires in LA would normally be a lifetime endeavor, but Newsom…..Mr climate himself recently said he will suspend most environmental regulations. So those regulations only apply to Joe the Plummer, not Hollywood. It is a bunch of crap and the Canadian economy, before Trump, the US economy, will suffer. Trump wants NATO members to pay 5% of their GDP. Canada only pays 1.4%, that is probably 100’s of billions of dollars that Canada in its current situation, cannot afford…….without massive tax increases. That doesn’t even count a probable tariff war. Unless you people vote the liberals out of office, the Loonie will hover around 50 to the USD. yeah, Trump is orange, a felon…..millions of US citizens dont care. We want low taxes and money in our pockets!
 

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That is the smartest thing I have read on this forum! That is also one reason so many Americans voted for Trump. The climate change crap is out of control and kneecapping business. China and India do not care about clean energy and if those two countries do not participate, all the environmental regulations are useless! The liberal left have convinced their sheep the climate is changing because of pollution. Change should be called evolution, but liberals love to scare their flock just so they can keep power. Rebuilding from the fires in LA would normally be a lifetime endeavor, but Newsom…..Mr climate himself recently said he will suspend most environmental regulations. So those regulations only apply to Joe the Plummer, not Hollywood. It is a bunch of crap and the Canadian economy, before Trump, the US economy, will suffer. Trump wants NATO members to pay 5% of their GDP. Canada only pays 1.4%, that is probably 100’s of billions of dollars that Canada in its current situation, cannot afford…….without massive tax increases. That doesn’t even count a probable tariff war. Unless you people vote the liberals out of office, the Loonie will hover around 50 to the USD. yeah, Trump is orange, a felon…..millions of US citizens dont care. We want low taxes and money in our pockets!
Felons don't care abiut the public...

Sorry to break it to you but trump bamboozled his voters like he does his business'.... Your not 1 of his billionaire butt buddies who'll reap lower taxes

Trump couldnt care less for the middle class, just needed their vote and that's it

How far of grocery costs come down? Oh wait he already admitted before he took office that ain't happening, just like lowering you taxes ain't gonna happen

America made its bed and can now lie in it for the next 4 years (unless all that McDonald's finally catches up)
 

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Felons don't care abiut the public...

Sorry to break it to you but trump bamboozled his voters like he does his business'.... Your not 1 of his billionaire butt buddies who'll reap lower taxes

Trump couldnt care less for the middle class, just needed their vote and that's it

How far of grocery costs come down? Oh wait he already admitted before he took office that ain't happening, just like lowering you taxes ain't gonna happen

America made its bed and can now lie in it for the next 4 years (unless all that McDonald's finally catches up)
Okay, this is the last ignorant comment for which I will respond. The Trump tax cut in 2017 put $30k more in my pocket. Gasoline price for 91 octane in 2017 was less than $2. There were no wars! He has been in office three days and I filled up today. It was $2.90 per gallon, down over 25 cents in three days. Some hostages have been released and a cease fire in Gaza. That is pretty huge! Just like the US, those that don’t make money in Canada, hate Trump. He doesn’t believe in a free ride on other peoples money. I don’t care if you’re poor, life sucks! However to working American, thus far, Trump is awesome. Illegal aliens have all but stopped, Iran is thinking twice and the cartels in Mexico are waiting for Seal Team Six to pay a visit. MAGA is absolutely awesome and I highly suggest Canada get on the Trump train, contrary to what you have been told, America does not need you. There are many countries that want to take your place! The United States in the richest, most powerful country in the world and all the Canadian pride will not change that fact.
 

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Trump now wants 5% toward NATO..https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/23/can-trump-get-nato-allies-to-spend-more-on-defense.html
Actually that is old news. The subsidies I mention come from trade imbalance and the fact Canada totally relies on the US for defense, Canada is one of only six countries that fail in its obligation to support NATO. Yes Canada supports their ”less fortunate“ better than the US, so get ready for much higher taxes. America has the largest oil reserves in the world….AMAR is just one. In the short term, we may need oil from Canada, but soon we will be selling it. My only point is to get people to think ahead and invest strategically. The CAD to USD speaks volumes about economic strength. Canada is about to feel some great economic pain!
That's... Not what a subsidy is. 🤦‍♂️

Also, Canada doesn't rely on the US for defense. The opposite is true. The US has required Canada's assistance in pretty much every single one of its dumb military adventures. Can you tell us, the last time that Canada called for the help of the US military for ANYTHING?
 
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VanCityNewb

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Okay, this is the last ignorant comment for which I will respond. The Trump tax cut in 2017 put $30k more in my pocket. Gasoline price for 91 octane in 2017 was less than $2. There were no wars! He has been in office three days and I filled up today. It was $2.90 per gallon, down over 25 cents in three days. Some hostages have been released and a cease fire in Gaza. That is pretty huge! Just like the US, those that don’t make money in Canada, hate Trump. He doesn’t believe in a free ride on other peoples money. I don’t care if you’re poor, life sucks! However to working American, thus far, Trump is awesome. Illegal aliens have all but stopped, Iran is thinking twice and the cartels in Mexico are waiting for Seal Team Six to pay a visit. MAGA is absolutely awesome and I highly suggest Canada get on the Trump train, contrary to what you have been told, America does not need you. There are many countries that want to take your place! The United States in the richest, most powerful country in the world and all the Canadian pride will not change that fact.
Trump was literally sending out free money to people for doing nothing. What are you taking about?

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-stimulus-check-2024-what-experts-say/

His failed tariff policies resulted in handing out billions and billions of dollars to failed industrialists, as a fallout of his failed policies.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuart...-to-farmers-cost-more-than-us-nuclear-forces/

Similarly, he was bombing people in Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. Six months into the start of his term, he had dropped more bombs than ANY other president.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/

The price of gasoline has next to nothing to do with the president, and has more to do with geopolitics on the other side of the world. Moreover, Trump has done precisely nothing that would have affected gas prices already. He's still on the federal budget that was passed under Biden, for his first year. That's not how anything works. Similarly, the Gaza ceasefire was negotiated before Trump was even in office.

I don't know why people just mindlessly repeat his lies, thinking that it makes them sound smart.
 

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That's... Not what a subsidy is. 🤦‍♂️

Also, Canada doesn't rely on the US for defense. The opposite is true. The US has required Canada's assistance in pretty much every single one of its dumb military adventures. Can you tell us, the last time that Canada called for the help of the US military for ANYTHING?
I know I said I would not comment on stupid posts, but your is beyond stupid. The USA depends on Canada militarily, you must use Hunters crack dealer! Nobody anywhere can believe that! I get the national pride stuff, but really? Briefly, Canada has remained independent because the US would never stand for an enemy on its border. It is about geography, not strength. Canada has 52k in the military and buys its equipment from America. Dear god son, go back to school and quit the drugs!
 
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