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Quarter Mile'r

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Subject: Fw: B.R. An American company



How True::::

A Japanese company (Toyota) and an American company (Ford) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River. Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.

On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile. The Americans, very
discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the
crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person
steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person
rowing. So American management hired a consulting company and paid
them a large amount of money for a second opinion.

They advised that too many people were steering the boat, while not
enough people were rowing. To prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.

They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1
person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder.
It was called the "Rowing Team Quality First Program", with meetings,
dinners and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting
new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for
practices and bonuses.

The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor
performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and
canceled all capital investments for new equipment.

The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses
and the next year's racing team was outsourced to India.

:rolleyes:


.........QM'r
 

Avery

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Funny stuff, and it contains a lot of truth, but the title of the thread is wrong. Senior executives of huge corporations are no more capitalists than big union leaders are working class stiffs. The public sector would be even worse - they wouldn't even have one guy rowing; they'd have nine steerers at nine different job classifications, each with ten-page job descriptions.

The real capitalists are small business owners who risk their balls every day and get squeezed between huge clients, suppliers, governments and bankers, i.e. the non-capitalists referred to in the joke.
 

planetsmurf

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i think american corporations have had it to good for to long and now they have lost the edge to their competitors.that and the fact that the US education system is shambles right now and the effects are being felt now with better workers in other countries
 

Quarter Mile'r

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Funny stuff, and it contains a lot of truth, but the title of the thread is wrong. Senior executives of huge corporations are no more capitalists than big union leaders are working class stiffs. The public sector would be even worse - they wouldn't even have one guy rowing; they'd have nine steerers at nine different job classifications, each with ten-page job descriptions.
So, privatization is better?! Sounds like Vanderzalm himself wrote that!
No, wait a minute, that might have been Campbell, our convicted DUI
capitalist premier. What a Fucking goof he is.
So if you will, correct the title for me. :rolleyes: Remembering that it was
the corporations that put the one rower on the boat, then 4 steering
supers, 3 area steering supers and 1 assistant super intendant steering
manager. None which were alluded to as "public sector".

The real capitalists are small business owners who risk their balls every day and get squeezed between huge clients, suppliers, governments and bankers, i.e. the non-capitalists referred to in the joke.
And that is why so many of our jobs are shipped to poverished nations like
India, China, Mexico........the list goes on bud !! Just so we can buy a
5 dollar pair of Nike runners for 100 + dollars.......yep that's capitalism
for ya !:rolleyes:


............QM'r
 

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if anyone hates capitalisim,go live in a fuckin communist country and suck on your comrades balls,nice fucking place to live,china,cuba, 10 years ago in russia,bitch and moan about the capitalist,but take all the gravy from the taxes dollars it creates.
 

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Capitalism does work its just that its often too easy to monopolize or close to monopolize area's of the economy. Large corporations far to often end up buying out the little guys until they control an area of the economy or most of it. Sometimes its a few corporations but it doesn't change the fact that it takes away most the competition and doesn't promote innovation and lower prices but rather control of an area so you charge whatever you want. This is why so many companies are top heavy and they have so many people in management to maintain this control. Its especially terrible with energy companies because they sell products that are necessary to pretty much everyone. Exxons profits last year were around 36 billion.

Personally I think the government needs to regulate corporations more to insure competition which is the basis for a healthy capitalist economy. Unfortunately I doubt it will happen because they are far too powerful and have full time lobbyists buttering up the law makers.
 

Avery

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Quarter Mile'r, you completely missed my point. I said SMALL business owners are the only real capitalists, because they risk their own resources, not those of others. And, they employ local people; they don't export jobs to third-world countries.

And, I'm not defending the multinationals; far from it. The corporations you refer to aren't true capitalists; they're oligarchists, and their fat cat executives are fucking parasites who feather their own nests at the expense of the shareholders' interests. The example you posted is likely true, as is mine about what would happen in the public sector. I despise the big corporations as much as I despise governments and unions - I'm an equal opportunity hater! :D

If you want to rail against the large corporations and their executives, fine. You won't get much of an argument from me. Just don't call them capitalists. They have perverted capitalism just as much as the communists perverted socialism.

And, don't forget that the largest investors, by far, on the Toronto Stock Exchange, are public sector unions.
 

LonelyGhost

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Avery said:
And, don't forget that the largest investors, by far, on the Toronto Stock Exchange, are public sector unions.
why is that a bad thing?

i am a strong proponant of 'profit sharing' and workers owning some
rights in a corporation ... if the only way that these companies will
listen to their workers is through their union buying shares, then that's
how it can be done!

i think that the 'one step removed' situation of owning shares bought
on the open market is not as effective as workers 'earning' shares through
their labour but its better than the share dilution that happens when
companies reward executives with big stock options.
 

Avery

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LonelyGhost said:
why is that a bad thing?
I never said it was a bad thing, nor do I believe it is.

I was just pointing out to Quarter Mile'r (obviously way too subtly for some people) that big labour indirectly supports some of the reprehensible behaviour of the large corporations that he rails against. Big labour behaves just like other large shareholders - the bottom line is all that matters in the end.
 

LonelyGhost

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Avery said:
I never said it was a bad thing, nor do I believe it is.

I was just pointing out to Quarter Mile'r (obviously way too subtly for some people) that big labour indirectly supports some of the reprehensible behaviour of the large corporations that he rails against. Big labour behaves just like other large shareholders - the bottom line is all that matters in the end.
bit of a jump from 'owning shares' to 'support[ing] some of the
reprehensible behaviour of the large corporations' ...

most of the share ownership is used to finance union members'
pension funds, since many are not funded by corporations or are
severely underfunded.

as well, by owning shares in the company they work for, unions
can have some say in how the corporation acts but i doubt it
makes a difference when most practices are hidden from ALL
shareholders.

and since when is business anything but the 'bottom line'? there may
be (in some fairy tale land) businesses that weren't in it for the money,
but I doubt they were in business long.
 

Quarter Mile'r

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Avery said:
I never said it was a bad thing, nor do I believe it is.

I was just pointing out to Quarter Mile'r (obviously way too subtly for some people) that big labour indirectly supports some of the reprehensible behaviour of the large corporations that he rails against. Big labour behaves just like other large shareholders.
That is there way of showing and from having some power, thankfully,
that they can take a bigger piece of the pie from the fattest of cats.
Least that's the way I see it.

You point out the word Oligarchists, never heard that word before.
Nice to see there is a much worse decription of the heavy hitter
capitalists (multinationalists) than just calling them capitalists. :D


...........QM'r
 
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