Trump drives women's rights back to the back alleys.

[clu]

Do you have a Down Syndrome Child in your own family or in a close relative's family? If you don't, you really should not be making a judgement unless you have first hand knowledge of the subject.

It's a feel good thing to say you want to protect the rights of an unborn child with or without downs or whatever health issue. It's totally a different world for an entire family when one member has a life long health issue.

I know.

Agreed. I had a cousin with it.

Aborting for Down's Syndrome is not a late term abortion. It would happen shortly after amniocentesis, which is done relatively early. I don't wish my cousin had never existed of course, but the commitment for the 30-ish years of his life was intense for his parents and they could never afford the attention to have other children. If I was told at 12 weeks in or whatever I was going to have that scenario, or we could re-roll the dice on the next pregnancy, I would fully support my partner if she chose the latter.

The thing that people don't tend to acknowledge is that chromosomal abnormalities are common in foetuses, but the body basically screens and auto-aborts many of them. Miscarriages can actually sometimes be that auto-aborting process in action. It just wasn't really known until modern medicine was sufficiently advanced. So aborting for Down's Syndrome is a minor variant on something the body does naturally.

 

[nightswhisper]

Do you have a Down Syndrome Child in your own family or in a close relative's family? If you don't, you really should not be making a judgement unless you have first hand knowledge of the subject.

It's a feel good thing to say you want to protect the rights of an unborn child with or without downs or whatever health issue. It's totally a different world for an entire family when one member has a life long health issue.

I know.

I believe the individual's quality of life and those around them is the most important in the consideration of these things.

I am sorry for your circumstances.

 

[ddcanz]

Do you have a Down Syndrome Child in your own family or in a close relative's family? If you don't, you really should not be making a judgement unless you have first hand knowledge of the subject.

It's a feel good thing to say you want to protect the rights of an unborn child with or without downs or whatever health issue. It's totally a different world for an entire family when one member has a life long health issue.

I know.

No, I don't. Actually, no kids at all. Although we tried it wasn't in the cards. Then we made a conscious decision so as not to roll the dice with my wife's health or the increasing possibility of issues related to pregnancy and child bearing as she aged.
I couldn't possibly completely understand a life spent dealing with everything associated with raising a Down's syndrome child. It must be absolutely exhausting.
That was not my point, nor was it my intent to cast judgement at those who live with that reality.
I was asking at what point in the pregnancy is this determined? Very early on?
And commenting on how so many people want perfection- and when it's not going to happen then "disposing" of it.
And it's not a "feel good thing for (me) to say I support the rights of an unborn child....". I know it's not easy to make hard decisions.
I work in environments where I've seen massive facial deformities in children. Horrendous stuff. And kids born without appendages. Or digits or toes. But these kids are the most loving little sweethearts you'll ever meet- and entirely non-self conscious abort their abnormalities. Doesn't make it easy on the parents though. And they will face challenges that you or I will not. Should they have said fuck it and pulled the pin?
One of my nephews developed leukemia very very early in life, about 3 years old. Years of treatments, chemo, renal etc. etc. It was very close- then he took right off. He is now 25 and going strong. If this was known during pregnancy would it then be OK to terminate?
His brother was a premie- I held him in one hand when he arrived, he only weighed a few pounds. He was also born with a hole in his heart and under-developed lungs and other organs. His doctor's gave his original chance of survival at maybe 50-50. He was touch and go for the early part of his life. He's had to battle with being a runt amongst his peers. It's caused him some very dark times and he's even chased the black dog. By all accounts he's doing fine now- or at least that's what he shows. Would he have been a candidate for some to deem unworthy and expendable? Too much trouble and expense?
Nothing is guaranteed. Life is hard on many levels. From my understanding there are many born with Down's syndrome that lead quality lives- of course, within reason. And those lives are typically of much shorter duration. I don't profess to know much of the facts.
All the power to you for stepping up and contributing. Sincerely.
Would you have terminated this child in your life? I'm thinking not.....

 

[dumass]

Just saw the state of the Union, and it was great. A CNN poll had over 76% of people approve of it!!!!

Was shameful watching those Democratic white witches stay seated during the announcements of all those great accomplishments. Bernie Sanders was almost crying when Trump said America would never be a Socialist country.

 

[badbadboy]

No, I don't. Actually, no kids at all. Although we tried it wasn't in the cards. Then we made a conscious decision so as not to roll the dice with my wife's health or the increasing possibility of issues related to pregnancy and child bearing as she aged.
I couldn't possibly completely understand a life spent dealing with everything associated with raising a Down's syndrome child. It must be absolutely exhausting.
That was not my point, nor was it my intent to cast judgement at those who live with that reality.
I was asking at what point in the pregnancy is this determined? Very early on?
And commenting on how so many people want perfection- and when it's not going to happen then "disposing" of it.
And it's not a "feel good thing for (me) to say I support the rights of an unborn child....". I know it's not easy to make hard decisions.
I work in environments where I've seen massive facial deformities in children. Horrendous stuff. And kids born without appendages. Or digits or toes. But these kids are the most loving little sweethearts you'll ever meet- and entirely non-self conscious abort their abnormalities. Doesn't make it easy on the parents though. And they will face challenges that you or I will not. Should they have said fuck it and pulled the pin?
One of my nephews developed leukemia very very early in life, about 3 years old. Years of treatments, chemo, renal etc. etc. It was very close- then he took right off. He is now 25 and going strong. If this was known during pregnancy would it then be OK to terminate?
His brother was a premie- I held him in one hand when he arrived, he only weighed a few pounds. He was also born with a hole in his heart and under-developed lungs and other organs. His doctor's gave his original chance of survival at maybe 50-50. He was touch and go for the early part of his life. He's had to battle with being a runt amongst his peers. It's caused him some very dark times and he's even chased the black dog. By all accounts he's doing fine now- or at least that's what he shows. Would he have been a candidate for some to deem unworthy and expendable? Too much trouble and expense?
Nothing is guaranteed. Life is hard on many levels. From my understanding there are many born with Down's syndrome that lead quality lives- of course, within reason. And those lives are typically of much shorter duration. I don't profess to know much of the facts.
All the power to you for stepping up and contributing. Sincerely.
Would you have terminated this child in your life? I'm thinking not.....

It's my nephew. Once very close with a sibling until their son was born. We socialized literally every week. Then their son became the entire focus. Even planning a family picnic had to address his needs first. IMO, they should have encouraged him to adapt to the family rather than the family adapt to him. Everyone was accepting and wanted him to socialize with them.

Don't get me wrong, I love their kids and things could have carried on as usual if they allowed him some unstructured time with relatives rather than making him special. Now he is a man and his parents are still taking care of him. It was recommended he move in with other special needs people in a group home but his parents balked at the idea.

When she was pregnant, she requested an amniocentesis. Her Dr didn't approve of the procedure and it turned out he was a very religious person. Would she have terminated, outwardly I'd say no.

In a nutshell, it was a life long effect on five families.

 

[thodisipagal]

Just saw the state of the Union, and it was great. A CNN poll had over 76% of people approve of it!!!!

Was shameful watching those Democratic white witches stay seated during the announcements of all those great accomplishments. Bernie Sanders was almost crying when Trump said America would never be a Socialist country.

Label or no label, America already has important features of a socialist country. Its economy thrives on free market capitalist theory, but there is social safety net (Medicare, Medicaid, social security, publicly funded infrastructure, etc.). Trump may repeat rhetorical refrain to rouse is base (and he does that successfully), but his idea of wall along the southern border is based on socialist theory of public funding and usurpation of private land through eminent domain regulatory taking along the US-Mexico border.

 

[nightswhisper]

Label or no label, America already has important features of a socialist country. Its economy thrives on free market capitalist theory, but there is social safety net (Medicare, Medicaid, social security, publicly funded infrastructure, etc.). Trump may repeat rhetorical refrain to rouse is base (and he does that successfully), but his idea of wall along the southern border is based on socialist theory of public funding and usurpation of private land through eminent domain regulatory taking along the US-Mexico border.

This has to be the single most overanalyzed consideration of the US.

 

[80watts]

So the wall is the absolute opposite of what a card carrying Republican believes in??

Or like most rich people, uses other's peoples money to pay for things to get his name on it. In this case its not the banks, but the largest capitalist government, with huge potential to take money from.

 

[The cat call]

Start listening to the Ben shapiro pod cast, he’s a bit too conservative for me but he’s monstrosity smart and good to
Listen to in the car
I like Jordan Peterson’s too not as good to listen to more like a good prop legure

our political leaders should be able to talk like these guys

Trump and mr dress up are a joke