Trump / Clinton

[sdw]

November 4 is shaping up to be very interesting.

On The Right - Mr Ego himself, with his bombastic style.

On The Left - Hillary Clinton, known for flying into Sarajevo (by her account) with rockets to the left, bullets to the right - - to pick up flowers from a young girl at an entirely peaceful airport.

Problem is: One of them will probably be President of the USA.

Democrat Results http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2016-primaries-democrats

Republican Results http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2016-primaries-republican

 

[badbadboy]

IF they have a properly moderated series of Presidential Debates, Billary (sic) will win the debates. Whether she wins populat vote is an entirely different thing.

IF they enable more shouting matches, the Americans will get what they deserve.

 

[87112]

Mitt would have ran away with it in 16 .

 

[sdw]

Mitt would have ran away with it in 16 .

It's the Tea Party fanatics that are supporting Trump, Mitt Romney didn't have their support in his nomination battle and they sat on their hands on election day.

 

[hornygandalf]

You mean Drumpf? That, according to John Oliver, is the original family name for Trump. And it does seem so much more fitting.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/donald-trump-drumpf-1.3470630
Get the Chrome extension from John Oliver's site to correct the references to the Donald on websites to the 'correct' surname.

As the US Empire teeters on the brink of collapse, it will get the President it deserves.

 

[sdw]

You mean Drumpf? That, according to John Oliver, is the original family name for Trump. And it does seem so much more fitting.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/donald-trump-drumpf-1.3470630
Get the Chrome extension from John Oliver's site to correct the references to the Donald on websites to the 'correct' surname.

As the US Empire teeters on the brink of collapse, it will get the President it deserves.

It's one of those unimportant things that American politics seems to get into. Like the "birther" thing that was used on Barack Obama and John McCain. Americans seem to be incapable of talking about what it's going to mean to have that person as President of the USA. So, they talk about the name the grandfather was born with and not the name that "The Donald" was born with. They talk about the nationality of the runaway father and not the nationality of the mother who actually raised the child. They insist that Embassies and Military Bases are not sovereign soil of a nation - no matter where the Embassy or Military Base is located.

Barack Obama was easily predicted to be a great talker and mediocre accomplisher - which is what he turned out to be. Hillary Clinton will turn out to have poor judgement and a very loose connection to reality if she is President of the USA. Donald Trump will turn out to be what a military grunt most dreads - Dumb & Energetic.

Prussian Field Marshal Helmuth Karl Bernhard Graf von Moltke (1800-1891) developed this interesting Value Matrix to categorize his officer corps.

• Smart & Lazy: I make them my Commanders because they make the right thing happen but find the easiest way to accomplish the mission.
• Smart & Energetic: I make them my General Staff Officers because they make intelligent plans that make the right things happen.
• Dumb & Lazy: There are menial tasks that require an officer to perform that they can accomplish and they follow orders without causing much harm
• Dumb & Energetic: These are dangerous and must be eliminated. They cause thing to happen but the wrong things so cause trouble.

Donald Trump can be counted upon to get the USA into "adventures" that are ill considered, poorly planned and unproductive. It's a core part of who Donald Trump is - the last name his grandfather was born with is unimportant. A lot of immigrants had their names changed because of racism or the entry customs officer simply imposing a name on the person.

 

[badbadboy]

You mean Drumpf? That, according to John Oliver, is the original family name for Trump. And it does seem so much more fitting.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/donald-trump-drumpf-1.3470630
Get the Chrome extension from John Oliver's site to correct the references to the Donald on websites to the 'correct' surname.

As the US Empire teeters on the brink of collapse, it will get the President it deserves.

The real problem is when the USA gets a cold, Canada gets pneumonia.

Trump gets in with all his protectionism BS we will definitely follow them down the toilet for 10 years as a result.

 

[Cami Parker]

First time I've ever felt ashamed of my country.....

 

[erber]

IF Hillary becomes President, Bill would be The First Lady!

 

[sdw]

IF Hillary becomes President, Bill would be The First Lady!

Well Bill knows where all of the bedrooms are. Along with a few other hidden nooks and crannies where it's possible to have a quickie.

 

[sdw]

The real problem is when the USA gets a cold, Canada gets pneumonia.

Trump gets in with all his protectionism BS we will definitely follow them down the toilet for 10 years as a result.

Hillary would be better? She still thinks the 911 terrorists came from Canada.

The fact that none of the hijackers crossed the border from Canada to the U.S. was repeated frequently by Prime Minister Jean Chretien and members of his cabinet. But the damage of those first incorrect news stories lingered. In the weeks following September 11, many stories in the U.S. media continued to depict Canada as a terrorist haven. An article in the Christian Science Monitor said that "Canadian and U.S. terrorism experts alike say the giant, genial nation -- known for its crimson-clad Mounties and great comedians -- has also become an entry point and staging ground for Osama bin Laden's terrorist ‘sleeper cells,' as well as for other terrorist groups."

A story in The Seattle Times declared: "While thousands of U.S. soldiers are being shipped halfway across the globe to fight terrorism, little manpower has been focused on a problem much closer to home: Canada. Experts on both sides of the 4,000-mile border say the nation to the north is a haven for terrorists, and that the U.S.-Canada line is little more barrier than ink on a map."

Hillary Clinton who was then a U.S. Senator from New York said that the U.S. should lobby Canada to tighten border security: "We need to look to our friends in the north to crack down on some of these false documents and illegals getting in."

http://www.colinrobertson.ca/?p=1541

By Lynn Desjardins | english@rcinet.ca
Wednesday 3 February, 2016 , No Comments ↓

The U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs is hearing testimony on Canada’s process of quickly bringing in 25,000 Syrian refugees. Some prominent American leaders have expressed concern that Canada’s screening of refugees may not be adequate and that dangerous people could too easily cross the Canada-U.S. border. About 400,000 people cross every day.

Canada uses several layers of security screening

Canada’s Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale has told his American counterparts that Canada employs several layers of security screening. Only refugees screened and approved by the United Nations High Commission for Refugees are chosen. They are then screened by Canadian officials abroad and biometrics are collected.

This is by no means the first time prominent Americans have suggested terrorists have easy access to the U.S. from Canada. Canadian officials have had to work hard to dispel the myth.

Terrorist myth persists

“Ever since (the terrorist attacks of) 9/11, there has been this sense amongst many well-placed Americans including people like the chair of the Armed Services Committee and former presidential candidate John McCain and current presidential candidate Hilary Clinton that some of the bad guys came in from Canada. It’s not true. It’s mythology. But it remains there out as a kind of suspicion,” says Colin Robertson, a former Canadian diplomat and vice-president of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.

Neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton will be good for Canada. Canada's government needs to recognize that and seek new trading partners now. It's going to get more difficult to get products into the American market.

 

[badbadboy]

Hillary would be better? She still thinks the 911 terrorists came from Canada.

I'm going with the lesser of two evils.

Don't care for any of them but the Donald is a fucking joke.

 

[erber]

How about Sanders?

 

[a_lee_n]

I hear it is gonna get crowded up your way!

"Following the results of the Super Tuesday presidential primary elections, many Americans are apparently distraught over the results and are looking to leave the country. According to Google Trends, searches for "How to move to Canada" have increased dramatically following the results of the elections."

Better take Trump's advice and get working on one of these!!!

 

[badbadboy]

It's one of those unimportant things that American politics seems to get into. Like the "birther" thing that was used on Barack Obama and John McCain. Americans seem to be incapable of talking about what it's going to mean to have that person as President of the USA. So, they talk about the name the grandfather was born with and not the name that "The Donald" was born with. They talk about the nationality of the runaway father and not the nationality of the mother who actually raised the child. They insist that Embassies and Military Bases are not sovereign soil of a nation - no matter where the Embassy or Military Base is located.

Barack Obama was easily predicted to be a great talker and mediocre accomplisher - which is what he turned out to be. Hillary Clinton will turn out to have poor judgement and a very loose connection to reality if she is President of the USA. Donald Trump will turn out to be what a military grunt most dreads - Dumb & Energetic.

Donald Trump can be counted upon to get the USA into "adventures" that are ill considered, poorly planned and unproductive. It's a core part of who Donald Trump is - the last name his grandfather was born with is unimportant. A lot of immigrants had their names changed because of racism or the entry customs officer simply imposing a name on the person.

You make these blanket assertions based on what exactly? Republican Doctrine handouts and their Blogs?

Obama would have been a great President but had the Republican Congress throwing roadblocks in front of him constantly. Blame the disfunctional republicans for wasting 7 years in office because they were more concerned with Politics and his birth certificate than getting on with the business of running the country.

He accomplished:

Health Care - not perfect but again it was a compromise with the Congress.

Handled the Wall Street debacle that made the western world teeter on collapse. Bush Jr was way over his head with that mess and it required a steady hand to pull the US economy out of the shit house. Shame on Obama for not sending the Wall St old boys club to jail after that mess.

Saved the Auto Industry from collapse.

Added 4 million jobs during his Presidency.

Reduced unemployment to 5% the lowest it's been in years during a shitty economy.

Put wage equity into law.

Legalized same sex marriage

Bin Laden - got him and dealt with the body so it did not become a touch stone for Jihadists world wide.
Decreased troop levels in Iraq and made Afghanistan the centre to focus on (which it should have been during Bush Jr administration).

Increased the use of Drones UAVs to take out Al Queda in the Persian Gulf states. Did that bring rise to ISIL? It's debatable but it's a certainty that the fight picked by Bush Jr in Iraq brought all the crazies together in one place to fight the infidels from the coalition.

The thing is very little is ever said about the Republicans, their Tea Party and their Negative Effect upon the USA. It's just easier for people to turn around and blame Obama.

IMHO Obama and Bill Clinton were the best Presidents to lead since JFK.

Who did the US have as President since LBJ?

Nixon
Carter
Reagan
Bush Sr
Clinton
Bush Jr
Obama

Try and convince me of any of those Repubilcan Presidents shining more prominently than Clinton or Obama? Ironically, I read recently that Nixon is considered a good President because he ended the Vietnam War and established trade relations with China. Reagan could read a TelePrompter and it's debatable that Bush Jr could actually read. Reagan was present during the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the former Soviet Union but did not do anything instrumental to assist in their downfall. They were already doing that all on their own.

Think about it. The USA would never have had Obama unless their Supreme Court had not appointed Bush Jr in the biggest fraud ever in US history.

Carry on.

 

[Elmore]

LOL...Canada needs new trading partners. I'm sure Trudeau will add Putin to his Rogers MY5 plan.

Let's not get carried away here. We're talking 4 years.

I agree with the Obama assessment but the problem was the lofty expectations. He had the senate and congress for a while but didn't get much done. I think Reagan would be considered more successful than Obama.

Trying to impact domestic economic recovery when there are global economic problems is no easy feat. Overall I would give him a strong C+ to weak B- on his presidency.

 

[sdw]

You make these blanket assertions based on what exactly? Republican Doctrine handouts and their Blogs?

Obama would have been a great President but had the Republican Congress throwing roadblocks in front of him constantly. Blame the disfunctional republicans for wasting 7 years in office because they were more concerned with Politics and his birth certificate than getting on with the business of running the country.

He accomplished:

Health Care - not perfect but again it was a compromise with the Congress.

Handled the Wall Street debacle that made the western world teeter on collapse. Bush Jr was way over his head with that mess and it required a steady hand to pull the US economy out of the shit house. Shame on Obama for not sending the Wall St old boys club to jail after that mess.

Saved the Auto Industry from collapse.

Added 4 million jobs during his Presidency.

Reduced unemployment to 5% the lowest it's been in years during a shitty economy.

Put wage equity into law.

Legalized same sex marriage

Bin Laden - got him and dealt with the body so it did not become a touch stone for Jihadists world wide.
Decreased troop levels in Iraq and made Afghanistan the centre to focus on (which it should have been during Bush Jr administration).

Increased the use of Drones UAVs to take out Al Queda in the Persian Gulf states. Did that bring rise to ISIL? It's debatable but it's a certainty that the fight picked by Bush Jr in Iraq brought all the crazies together in one place to fight the infidels from the coalition.

The thing is very little is ever said about the Republicans, their Tea Party and their Negative Effect upon the USA. It's just easier for people to turn around and blame Obama.

IMHO Obama and Bill Clinton were the best Presidents to lead since JFK.

Who did the US have as President since LBJ?

Nixon
Carter
Reagan
Bush Sr
Clinton
Bush Jr
Obama

Try and convince me of any of those Repubilcan Presidents shining more prominently than Clinton or Obama? Ironically, I read recently that Nixon is considered a good President because he ended the Vietnam War and established trade relations with China. Reagan could read a TelePrompter and it's debatable that Bush Jr could actually read. Reagan was present during the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the former Soviet Union but did not do anything instrumental to assist in their downfall. They were already doing that all on their own.

Think about it. The USA would never have had Obama unless their Supreme Court had not appointed Bush Jr in the biggest fraud ever in US history.

Carry on.

You forget Reagan's "Star Wars" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

"Star Wars" essentially bankrupted the Soviet Union as they struggled to match what they thought the USA had (very little of Star Wars was actually built, most information that "leaked" was deliberate misinformation aimed at the Soviets) that Soviet spending was a direct cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet public was knowing that outside the Soviet Union people were doing very well, while their stores had more empty shelves than a Canadian Target Store.

http://wais.stanford.edu/History/history_ussrandreagan.htm

The Collapse of the Soviet Union and Ronald Reagan

Several WAISers disagreed with Christopher Jones, who denied Reagan's role in the collapse of the Soviet Union. Harry Papasotiriou writes: "The Soviet Union certainly collapsed of its own weight, but Reagan helped speed up the process. The following paragraphs are from a forthcoming book that I am co-authoring.

Reagan’s conviction that the Soviet Union was both a dangerous military power and a collapsing economic system derived not from any deep knowledge of the Soviet Union. Yet he proved to be the proverbial right man in the right place at the right time. By whatever means he arrived at his views regarding the Soviet Union, he drew from them policy directions that were devastatingly effective in undermining the rotten Soviet edifice. Because of the high oil prices of the 1970s the Soviet leadership avoided serious economic reforms, such as those that saved Deng Xiaoping’s China. Instead, it relied on oil revenues as a means of keeping its decrepit economy going. By the early 1980s the Soviet Union was becoming a hollow shell, with an unreformed and increasingly backward industrial base producing outmoded pre-computer armaments. Thus it was highly vulnerable to the pressures that the Reagan administration was planning.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />

From the outset, Reagan moved against détente and beyond containment, substituting the objective of encouraging “long-term political and military changes within the Soviet empire that will facilitate a more secure and peaceful world order”, according to an early 1981 Pentagon defense guide. Harvard’s Richard Pipes, who joined the National Security Council, advocated a new aggressive policy by which “the United States takes the long-term strategic offensive. This approach therefore contrasts with the essentially reactive and defensive strategy of containment”. Pipes’s report was endorsed in a 1982 National Security Decision Directive that formulated the policy objective of promoting “the process of change in the Soviet Union towards a more pluralistic political and economic system”. [The quotes from Peter Schweizer, Reagan's War.]

A central instrument for putting pressure on the Soviet Union was Reagan’s massive defense build-up, which raised defense spending from $134 billion in 1980 to $253 billion in 1989. This raised American defense spending to 7 percent of GDP, dramatically increasing the federal deficit. Yet in its efforts to keep up with the American defense build-up, the Soviet Union was compelled in the first half of the 1980s to raise the share of its defense spending from 22 percent to 27 percent of GDP, while it froze the production of civilian goods at 1980 levels.

Reagan’s most controversial defense initiative was SDI, the visionary project to create an anti-missile defense system that would remove the nuclear sword of Damocles from America’s homeland. Experts still disagree about the long-term feasibility of missile defense, some comparing it in substance to the Hollywood sci-fi blockbuster Star Wars. But the SDI’s main effect was to demonstrate U. S. technological superiority over the Soviet Union and its ability to expand the arms race into space. This helped convince the Soviet leadership under Gorbachev to throw in the towel and bid for a de-escalation of the arms race.

 

[badbadboy]

You forget Reagan's "Star Wars" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

"Star Wars" essentially bankrupted the Soviet Union as they struggled to match what they thought the USA had (very little of Star Wars was actually built, most information that "leaked" was deliberate misinformation aimed at the Soviets) that Soviet spending was a direct cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet public was knowing that outside the Soviet Union people were doing very well, while their stores had more empty shelves than a Canadian Target Store.

http://wais.stanford.edu/History/history_ussrandreagan.htm

So other than spending the USSR into the poor house was there anything else that enlightened you to think Clinton or Obama were not as good Presidents vs the Republican Clowns?

Any President can use tax payers money to make a point.

At least these two Democratic Presidents did try to make a difference for the US Electorate.

 

[mounty]

I think none of the candidates deserve to be a president but that's irony of politics.

 

[badbadboy]

I hear it is gonna get crowded up your way!

"Following the results of the Super Tuesday presidential primary elections, many Americans are apparently distraught over the results and are looking to leave the country. According to Google Trends, searches for "How to move to Canada" have increased dramatically following the results of the elections."

Better take Trump's advice and get working on one of these!!!

Actually, those walls are on your dime.

WE don't have a problem as a whole about Americans but apparently The Donald does while many Americans seem to like Canadians and not just in the erotic way

So better be prepared to spend some of your tax $ and put your back into getting the Wall built.

I used to hike along the US Canada border in the Okanagan Valley and always thought "this is the longest, undefended border in the world".

Damn those who fuck up a good long term relationship between two harmonious countries.

The view for us will be the same.