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That's the thing he's the only one stirring the pot and getting everyone riled up. I learned to just ignore people like him.
With all due respect to you and your people.....I take my hat off to you.

I have seen children killed, I have seen the aftermath, and I have shed the tears of disbelief and helplessness.............I have read through some of these posts, and felt the chill of evil in some of the first hand accounts, and felt the old war horse rise within me.

Perhaps we as a nation, have ignored long enough.
 

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That's the thing he's the only one stirring the pot and getting everyone riled up. I learned to just ignore people like him.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, as I caught up with reading the entire thread. The original post was to shed light on these recent findings of an undocumented grave site. It also began comments, concerns, stories and conversations which should be discussed. It's unfortunate some of the conversation has resulted in disgust.
Those familiar with 80twats knows his posting history and it's usually met with disdain. If he chooses to keep exposing his bleak attitude and opinions for selfish reasons, ultimately, his only discord is with himself., lol.
 

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Ignoring these ignoramuses doesn’t help, their fake facts and prejudices have to be met head on.
He has to have his chance to win or lose in an open forum.
Facts are the best defence against his nonsense.
 
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... I learned to just ignore people like him.
It's hard to ignore sometimes, but yeah, if we're going to make this country work we have to figure out how to move ahead together, and to do that we have to ignore some of the noise.
 
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. . . Those familiar with 80twats knows his posting history and it's usually met with disdain . . .
I see what you did there.

80 TWATS = 80 WATTS

Quite funny and clever actually. Thank you.
 
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The motherfucking mental gymnastics some people will go through to justify a mass grave of children. Yet another braindead voice to ignore on this forum...
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I did see someone say on the news it wasn’t a mass grave as the bodies were buried individually without having markers.
 

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1. Nine year old Vicky Stewart of the Tsimshian nation was killed at the United Church residential school in Edmonton on April 9, 1958 by school matron Ann Knizky, who hit Vicky over the head with a two by four. The RCMP refused to press charges against either Knizky or the United Church, and threatened Vicky`s family with imprisonment if they pursued the matter.
2. Margaret Sepass was raped and then beaten to death by an Anglican priest named John Warner on December 5, 1969, at St. Michael’s Indian school in Alert Bay, British Columbia. Margaret was nine years old. Her burial site is unknown and John Warner was never charged.
3. On January 5, 1938, Albert Gray was beaten to death by Reverend Alfred Caldwell of the United Church of Canada when Albert took a prune from a jar without permission. Albert was eleven years old. His body was buried in secret behind the Ahousat Indian school and Alfred Caldwell was never charged.
4. On December 24, 1946, the same Principal Caldwell kicked 14 year old Maisie Shaw to her death down a flight of stairs at the United Church`s Alberni residential school, as witnessed by Harriett Nahanee. The RCMP covered up the murder.
5. On April 3, 1964, Richard Thomas was sodomized and then strangled to death by Catholic priest Terence McNamara at the Kuper Island Indian school. Richard was buried in secret in an orchard south of the school, and Terence McNamara, who is still alive, was never charged.
6. Elaine Dick, age 6, was kicked to death by a nun in April of 1964 at the Squamish Indian school in Vancouver. The RCMP refused to press charges when requested by the victim`s family.
7. Daniel Kangetok, age 4, was infected with an untreatable virus as part of a Defense Research Board experimental program funded by the Canadian military. He was left to die at the Carcross Anglican residential school in the Yukon, in February of 1971.
8. David Sepass, age 8, was pushed down some stairs by a priest at the Kuper Island catholic school and left to die, early in 1958.
9. A newborn Cree baby was burned alive by a senior priest at the Catholic Muscowegan Indian school near Regina in May of 1944, as witnessed by Irene Favel. The priest was never charged.
10. Susan Ball, age 5, starved to death in a closet at the United Church Edmonton residential school during the winter term of 1959, after being confined there by a church matron for speaking her own language.
11. Pauline Frank, age 8, died from medical experimentation performed by Canadian army researchers at the Nanaimo Indian Hospital in March of 1972. Her body was buried in secret on the grounds of the hospital, which is still restricted military property.
12. Albert Baptiste, age 9, died from electric shocks from a cattle prod wielded by a catholic priest at the Mission residential school over Christmas in 1951.
13. Nancy Joe, age 14, died from involuntary drug testing by military doctors at the Nanaimo Indian hospital in the spring of 1967.
14. Lorraine white, teenager, was gang raped by United Church residential school staff and left to die, Port Alberni, summer of 1971.
15. Eighteen Mohawk children, all under the age of sixteen, were shot to death by Canadian soldiers outside Brantford, Ontario, in the summer of 1943, as witnessed by Rufus McNaughton. The children were buried in secret in a mass grave.
16. Johnny Bingo Dawson, an eyewitness to crimes in Anglican residential schools and a leader of protests against these criminal churches, died of injuries from a police beating after being threatened by them, in Vancouver on December 9, 2009. Official cause of death was alcohol poisoning, despite the absence of alcohol in his blood.
17. Ricky Lavallee, the eyewitness to Bingo’s beating by the Vancouver police, died of a blow to his chest in early January of 2011.
18. Harriett Nahanee, the first eyewitness to a residential school murder to go public, died after mistreatment in a Vancouver jail, February, 2007.
19. Nora Bernard, the first aboriginal in Canada to sue the Catholic church for residential school crimes, was murdered in December of 2007 on the eve of Canada`s official spin doctoring of the residential school genocide.
… and more than 50,000 others, all of them children.
No-one has ever been charged or tried under Canadian law for any these killings. And the criminal government and churches responsible for this mass murder have been legally absolved of any responsibility for them under Canadian law.
Nothing has been healed. Nothing has been reconciled. Justice has been exterminated as completely as these innocent victims.
**Pictured is Victoria Stewart 1949-1958**
 

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For almost two decades, Ralph Rowe sexually abused hundreds of First Nation boys in the north during his days as an Anglican minister. Survivors Rowe details the life of Ralph Rowe, a former Anglican priest who flew his own plane into remote First Nations communities across Canada in the 1970s and ‘80s. The film captures the men’s deepest and darkest secrets. They often cried in front of the camera, talking about the confusion they felt when first being molested.
“All the stories were remarkably similar, the way Ralph Rowe seduced these kids, the way he cultivated their admiration, and the way he betrayed them,” says Roher.
Taking turns, the men share their pain and turmoil they went through in their adulthood years, lives eventually consumed by rage, alcohol, drugs, dysfunction, and in one case, a questioning of his own sexuality.
To earn their trust, Roher spent time in the men’s homes and with their family members. “These guys were willing to share their story and that’s why the interviews were so successful,” says Roher. “They trusted me and they were ready to tell their story.”
The men also share their healing paths, journeys that continue for each of them today.
Since 1994, Ralph Rowe was convicted of more than 50 sex crimes against boys aged 8 to 14. He served under five years in jail. Despite 21 more First Nation men coming forward, Rowe’s 1994 plea deal prevented Rowe from facing further convictions.
Today Rowe lives in the community of Lake Cowichan on Vancouver Island., part of the western Canadian Province of British Columbia.
~ “What people need to know is the church enabled him to do this. They gave him a role as a priest and they gave him a plane for him to be able to fly around to our communities. We now know through our counselling agencies in the north and through the court systems — the estimates are during the 22-year period he was up here that he sexually assaulted and abused over 500 young boys during that time. Similar to the residential school experience, now we are seeing the intergenerational impact of these victims,” ~ Grand Chief of the Nishnawbe Aski Nation (NAN), Alvin Fiddler's statement, Jan 19th, 2017.
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215 deaths over an 100 years, is not gonna effect any future event that is going to happen to the Aboriginals in Canada. Its all about political capital. There are Aboriginals leaders calling Kamloops a "genocide", with no given proof, just the accusation for political gain.

The fact that less than 1% of all Residential school dead are at Kamloops; doesn't even begin to begin to come close for any type of numbers for any kind of genocide. Considered all we know right now is the opening and closing date of the Kamloops school (open for what 100 years and only 215 dead). The total might come to 5000 to 5600 over 100 years(for all the schools). 150,000 kids went through those schools (that left 96% still alive). How the fuck is that genocide? Considering the time the schools were open (100years??) . The press is already calling it that through interview with Aboriginal chiefs.

You say I am trying to minimize the 215 dead. Who cares, they are dead, probably for longer than I been alive, and I didn't know them. Neither did you.
As I said before people are trying to analyze the stuff from long time ago (these dead kids) by todays standards(up to date bleeding heart shit, I gotta cry because social media says I have to). The maximizing of political gain by calling it a genocide only falls towards one agenda--- more money......

There is an guy at work, you don't know so well, his kid dies. The nest time you talk to him you say "sorry for your loss". Really do you mean that, or is it just a social norm.

Have I mentioned before the Aboriginals should pay land and income tax.
80 Watts you have an almost pathological obsession with "Aboriginals" (the correct term is First Nations or Indigenous BTW) paying their taxes. Well, to follow up on what Westwoody said, Indigenous peoples were on this land long before Europeans and if there were any justice, you would be paying them taxes.

In the landmark Delgamuukw v. British Columbia case of 1997, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that Indigenous Peoples have title to the land of Canada. This is our justice system, not theirs. So basically, if you're a settler (which I assume you are) then you are living on stolen land. The courts left it up to the various levels of government to work out the details. In the nearly 25 years since the ruling, the BC government has settled 2 of the 198 claims in BC (for those of you interested in the math, at this rate it will be another 2400 years before all the claims are settled in BC). While there were treaties signed east of the Rockies, none were signed west of the Rockies. So technically, all of the land west of the Rockies is Indigenous territory. By the ruling or the Supreme Court of Canada.

So why should you be paying tax to the people you so obviously despise? Because most wealth in Canada is generated from the land, which your court said is theirs. Natural resource extraction (minerals, forestry, oil) accounted for $219 billion in 2019. If we (Canadians) were to pay a reasonable royalty on those industries alone, we would be in for $20 billion annually for resources alone. That is not including a property tax that Indigenous Peoples should be charging all of us for squatting on their land. Again, by the ruling or your (and my) court.

And I'm not sure if you realize this, but the tax structure that Indigenous peoples fall under (and you keep whining about) is based on the racist Indian Act introduced by, Ta-dah, your Canadian government in 1876. Indigenous peoples had no hand in the creation of that act, so frankly, you are barking up the wrong tree. If you really are that concerned about Indigenous people paying taxes, you should write your MP or lobby the Canadian government to change the policy instead of perpetuating racist misinformation of Perb.

So I would humbly suggest you reconsider your misinformed belief that "they" should be paying their fair share of taxes. You (and I), should, in fact, be paying taxes to the rightful landowners. This would be according to British Common Law. Or would you say that those laws are unjust in this case?
 
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80 Watts you have an almost pathological obsession with "Aboriginals" (the correct term is First Nations or Indigenous BTW) paying their taxes. Well, to follow up on what Westwoody said, Indigenous peoples were on this land long before Europeans and if there were any justice, you would be paying them taxes.

In the landmark Delgamuukw v. British Columbia case of 1997, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that Indigenous Peoples have title to the land of Canada. This is our justice system, not theirs. So basically, if you're a settler (which I assume you are) then you are living on stolen land. The courts left it up to the various levels of government to work out the details. In the nearly 25 years since the ruling, the BC government has settled 2 of the 198 claims in BC (for those of you interested in the math, at this rate it will be another 2400 years before all the claims are settled in BC). While there were treaties signed east of the Rockies, none were signed west of the Rockies. So technically, all of the land west of the Rockies is Indigenous territory. By the ruling or the Supreme Court of Canada.

So why should you be paying tax to the people you so obviously despise? Because most wealth in Canada is generated from the land, which your court said is theirs. Natural resource extraction (minerals, forestry, oil) accounted for $219 billion in 2019. If we (Canadians) were to pay a reasonable royalty on those industries alone, we would be in for $20 billion annually for resources alone. That is not including a property tax that Indigenous Peoples should be charging all of us for squatting on their land. Again, by the ruling or your (and my) court.

And I'm not sure if you realize this, but the tax structure that Indigenous peoples fall under (and you keep whining about) is based on the racist Indian Act introduced by, Ta-dah, your Canadian government in 1876. Indigenous peoples had no hand in the creation of that act, so frankly, you are barking up the wrong tree. If you really are that concerned about Indigenous people paying taxes, you should write your MP or lobby the Canadian government to change the policy instead of perpetuating racist misinformation of Perb.

So I would humbly suggest you reconsider your misinformed belief that "they" should be paying their fair share of taxes. You (and I), should, in fact, be paying taxes to the rightful landowners. This would be according to British Common Law. Or would you say that those laws are unjust in this case?
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I don't despise Aboriginals, I think its only fair Aboriginals should pay taxes like every other Canadian Citizen. Current money that goes to Aboriginals is due to treaties with them. At any time the government can break those treaties. And the Crown is the highest authority in Canada, not the supreme court.
 

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1. Nine year old Vicky Stewart of the Tsimshian nation was killed at the United Church residential school in Edmonton on April 9, 1958 by school matron Ann Knizky, who hit Vicky over the head with a two by four. The RCMP refused to press charges against either Knizky or the United Church, and threatened Vicky`s family with imprisonment if they pursued the matter.


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19. Nora Bernard, the first aboriginal in Canada to sue the Catholic church for residential school crimes, was murdered in December of 2007 on the eve of Canada`s official spin doctoring of the residential school genocide.
… and more than 50,000 others, all of them children.
No-one has ever been charged or tried under Canadian law for any these killings. And the criminal government and churches responsible for this mass murder have been legally absolved of any responsibility for them under Canadian law.
Nothing has been healed. Nothing has been reconciled. Justice has been exterminated as completely as these innocent victims.
**Pictured is Victoria Stewart 1949-1958**

Your post has knocked me to the floor.
 
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As a mod, I usually try to stay out of these kinds of threads, but I will put the mod hat aside for a second in this case and state that IMO only, the Catholic Church needs to be held accountable for all of these situations, they have harbored pedophiles and murderers for years and have truly failed to be "Christian" they have enabled monsters and the damages against them should be in the billions.
The first word of that Christian Sect sums it up perfectly "ROMAN" Catholic. The Romans were the biggest most evilest colonizers in modern human history. They wiped Israel off the face of the earth in 55AD laid waste to so many other nations in their world. They stole all their culture, architecture and gods from the Greeks and when the Greek Orthodox Church was created they even stole that one and created such havoc to cause a rift which created the Roman Catholic Church. Their descendants have been part of the problem and not part of the solution to a better more peaceful planet. Interesting that 3 dominant groups in our history have used the eagle as their primary symbol... The Romans, The Nazis and The United States of America.

What should happen is that all the Roman Catholic church assets in Kanata(the original Huron-Iriquois name) be seized and all their temples razed to the ground and the monies to be used to rebuild native housing and cultural centres to bring back their language and culture. No more of this simple apology. Time for retribution!
As well, the RCMP is implicit in the kidnapping of these children and having them investigate the crime scenes would be akin to having the Manson Family investigate the Tate-Bianca murders. Call in the United Nations on this one!

Flying the flag at half-mast? No, lower it to the ground and burn it. Stupid flag anyhow since the plant on it only grows in a small area of this land. What does the red borders symbolize? The genocide of the native people of this part of the world!
 

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This thread has veered in and out of the lanes from the actual topic however it's nice to see true colors shine.

Shout out to the perberbians that understand from a rational perspective what the actual topic is about, it's unfortunate that racism exists now and will forever be with us, it will never end but how we manage it and stand up for ourselves is what matters. The next time you are in public, take a moment to just say hello to someone, a complete stranger without any motive other than a basic social engagement. Look them in the eye, 98% or better of the time you will get a response. Racism does not exist with kindness, some people choose to live in fear of people that don't have the same skin color or idea and or other beliefs that they may have been raised to believe or learned from other people.

I am not afraid of my mixed culture, I embrace it. I have lived through racism as a child and teens and came out the other side. As an mixed indigenous member of the community I am not entitled, I work my ass off for everything I got and will continue to do so till my end. All my taxes are paid, I volunteer 2-3 x a month to contribute to the community, I donate to charities of my choice, I just try to be better every day. Racism and entitlement go hand in hand and it's a cancer of society.

Going forward, this discovery in Kamloops has just scratched the surface, I hope if a bunch of money is going to be spent on more search and discovery of churches and residential schools that it will all be for something, the dirty ol vatican needs to be burnt to the ground for harboring criminals throughout it's existence. That is not a racist statement, it's not about the actual human, it's about the system of control and power over all people. It's not just the vatican, it's multiple avenues of abuse of power and corruption everywhere humans exist.
 

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The Rotestant Germans from the Reformation said the Roman Church was just an attempt by the Romans to maintain control over the Germans.
The Romans lost their secular empire so they went the religious route.
Selling Papal Indulgences should have been the end of that bunch of scammers.
 
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This thread has veered in and out of the lanes from the actual topic however it's nice to see true colors shine.

Shout out to the perberbians that understand from a rational perspective what the actual topic is about, it's unfortunate that racism exists now and will forever be with us, it will never end but how we manage it and stand up for ourselves is what matters. The next time you are in public, take a moment to just say hello to someone, a complete stranger without any motive other than a basic social engagement. Look them in the eye, 98% or better of the time you will get a response. Racism does not exist with kindness, some people choose to live in fear of people that don't have the same skin color or idea and or other beliefs that they may have been raised to believe or learned from other people.

I am not afraid of my mixed culture, I embrace it. I have lived through racism as a child and teens and came out the other side. As an mixed indigenous member of the community I am not entitled, I work my ass off for everything I got and will continue to do so till my end. All my taxes are paid, I volunteer 2-3 x a month to contribute to the community, I donate to charities of my choice, I just try to be better every day. Racism and entitlement go hand in hand and it's a cancer of society.

Going forward, this discovery in Kamloops has just scratched the surface, I hope if a bunch of money is going to be spent on more search and discovery of churches and residential schools that it will all be for something, the dirty ol vatican needs to be burnt to the ground for harboring criminals throughout it's existence. That is not a racist statement, it's not about the actual human, it's about the system of control and power over all people. It's not just the vatican, it's multiple avenues of abuse of power and corruption everywhere humans exist.
Very well said and thank you for this heart felt post in this vigorously attended thread. It has very much veered in and out of the main topic. Highly emotionally charged indeed!

At the root of it though is that the Crusades never ended for the "church". And I make that statement in a sweeping fashion, including all organized religion that is forced into a society. Nothing is more harmful than a group acting with so called impunity thinking they have their god at their backs.
 

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I don't despise Aboriginals, I think its only fair Aboriginals should pay taxes like every other Canadian Citizen. Current money that goes to Aboriginals is due to treaties with them. At any time the government can break those treaties. And the Crown is the highest authority in Canada, not the supreme court.
This is my point exactly 80, blaming Indigenous Peoples for not paying taxes is like blaming your daughter for getting raped. They are the victims not the perpetrators. They have nothing to do with how much or little taxes they pay. Just like I can't do much about what tax you pay. And if you pay less than me, should I harass you and belittle you on a public forum? Their people are governed by the Indian Act. If you really believe that they should pay more taxes don't gripe here about it or blame them. That's really boring. Start an organization, or lobby, to overturn the Indian Act.

And while we're on that topic, any knowledgeable Indigenous person I've spoken to would be delighted to do away with the Indian Act, but guess what? In it's place, they will want the Canadian government to honour the treaties they've signed and refused to uphold (as far as land title and resources) as well as sign treaties on all unsettled lands west of the Rockies.

I will agree that the Crown is the highest authority in our country, but with the caveat that it does not operate in a vacuum. Their responsibility is to uphold the highest law of the land (the Constitution). They operate within the three branches of government and when they get it wrong, guess who tells them to go back to the drawing board? The Supreme court.

As much as you would like the Crown to, they just cannot just independently break those treaties without consequence as Indigenous rights are written into the Constitution. It would be interesting to see how the courts would interpret such an action...
 
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