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nightswhisper

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Nope. That's not the change we need.
The problem with democracy is that you're electing people based on rhetoric rather than statesmanship and skill.

Most skilled individual spend more time honing their skills rather than their presentation. As such, capable individuals are can often be very unpersonable.

The average voter isn't smart enough to discern skill from charisma. Trudeau is the case of a charismatic loser, where Harper is the case of a capable administrator who is the living definition of vomit.
 

heyhowareyou

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Let's make this clear as the Indian Ocean, Mr. Trudeau has lie, cheat, steal, suck, and fuck his position through the Central Banks. People who voted for him have been warned "Elect a Clown, Expect a Circus"...

Who else is in line to take over his job, and that is not going to run a carnival?

Move to another country? Most government bodies has gone beyond corrupt. Just sayin' bruh...
 

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From google:
Decentralization is said to reduce corruption because it brings government closer to citizens and increases accountability and citizens' possibilities to monitor government officials. Decentralization is also said to increase competition between sub-jurisdictions, which will curb corruption.
 

nightswhisper

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From google:
Decentralization is said to reduce corruption because it brings government closer to citizens and increases accountability and citizens' possibilities to monitor government officials. Decentralization is also said to increase competition between sub-jurisdictions, which will curb corruption.
It is also inefficient and more partisan.

Can't take the good without considering the bad.
 

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MACLEANS cover is an article on the fall of Trudeau. He's no longer the feminist supporting, environmentally aware, First Nations supporting guy that was going to change the way politics is done in Canada. Rather, he's taken the Liberal Sponsorship Scandal and decided that that was chump change. The real money is in buying Pipelines, making grants to Bombardier and giving cover to SNC-Lavalin. The question now is does he lie as often as Donald J Trump or does he just get caught more often?
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/in-the-abandoned-ruins-of-ottawa/
 

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It is also inefficient and more partisan.

Can't take the good without considering the bad.
Don't know what's supposed to be efficient about central banks. A decade of manipulated low interest rates have created zombie corporations that should have ceased to exist at the end of the 2008 financial crisis and will go bankrupt if interest rates increase while more corporations are drawn into the same trap with a low interest rate regime. Centralization has been efficient only for the well connected, not for those sleeping on sidewalks nor for families spending the bulk of their income on mortgage payments into their old age. Partisanship is just knowing that you can make a difference in your own community, not in somebody else's community.
 

nightswhisper

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Don't know what's supposed to be efficient about central banks. A decade of manipulated low interest rates have created zombie corporations that should have ceased to exist at the end of the 2008 financial crisis and will go bankrupt if interest rates increase while more corporations are drawn into the same trap with a low interest rate regime. Centralization has been efficient only for the well connected, not for those sleeping on sidewalks nor for families spending the bulk of their income on mortgage payments into their old age. Partisanship is just knowing that you can make a difference in your own community, not in somebody else's community.
None of these arguments make any economic sense whatsoever.

Noncentralized banking leads to massive inflation and overextension of credit. South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela. V eventually had to peg currency to oil. Not so lucky for SA and Z.

Partisanship has broken the US down to identity politics and class struggle. That's the furthest from community improvement. Humans aren't particularly smart or logical.
 

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I didn't mind Trudeau but we need someone who can putt $$$ in people's bank accounts.

Alberta has the 3 or 4th largest oil reserves in the world and just look at the gas prices?



WTF is going on?

We need a business man in the office now, not a politician.

Do we have one?
 

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The business man couldn't get a pipeline built either. And no one is proposing Venezuala-type price controls.

Anyhow, BC's problem is refinery capacity. No one's going to build a new refinery in the anti-carbon age.
 

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Pipelines:
Oil goes south through to Texas refineries. Oil goes to West Coast to go to US refinery by ship. The new pipeline from Alberta is to increase the flow of the oil.

But the problem is that the US wants to buy cheap oil. It offset world prices in 2012/13 through fracking its old well in the southern US (mostly I think this is an environmental accident waiting to happen), but it chopped world oil prices in half and created the loss of jobs in Alberta (Alberta is oil industry specific, its economy runs around it, and it economic problems were created by world markets, not local politicians or federal ones). As long as the US keeps fracking oil, world oil prices will remain low.

Alberta does have a refinery, but does it produce what is needed for Canada... no. most of our gas comes from US refineries....

The new (extra) pipeline to BC was stopped by the courts. Environmental concerns should be heard, but safety factors can be put in place. The other side is the Indian tribes that protested the pipeline. They were not getting a deal from the pipeline, so protest, protest.. shut it down...

Indian Affairs; you want Trudeau to win the next election. Sell out the natives. Since JWR did not want a post as minister as the Indian Affairs portfolio, you have to wonder why. So screw over all the Indian reserves. Don't give them money and in 20 years and then start taxing them land taxes and income tax. You see alot of Natives leave the reservations... They all become Canadian Citizens and vote under what ever riding is closest. You have to wonder why Harper was saying, lets see your books (yup corruption worst them those white guys). Any mineral rights revert back to provinces tax coffers. Pipelines will go through... If this happens I predict, most Canadians wouldn't give a fuck....
this would save Canadians over 7 Billion a year.... The problem is the courts which are too whimpy, ohh we treated you bad.... Canada is a multicultural society; if the Ukrainians and Chinese, Polish and others can maintain their heritage, I' m sure the Natives can too... all under their own bill. If I pay taxes, so should the Natives... I don't care if they were here first...
 

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Alberta does have a refinery, but does it produce what is needed for Canada... no. most of our gas comes from US refineries....
no, most comes from AB, as well as some of the oil from AB goes to Wash, where you get gas from

and we have more than a refinery, lol

facts, who needs em!


https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/ntgrtd/mrkt/nrgsstmprfls/bc-eng.html


Refined Petroleum Products

"Most of the gasoline consumed in B.C. comes from Alberta, delivered primarily via the Trans Mountain Pipeline. Gasoline is also produced in B.C.’s two refineries. Less than 10% the gasoline consumed in B.C. is imported via ship or barge from the U.S. Pacific Northwest."


why do you think Horgan was in court trying to declare our law we haven't used as unconstitutional

if we cut you off, you'll be screwed



the delusions on reality in BC aren't they great

we don't need your stinkin oil

but we don't want $3/L gas, lol
 

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None of these arguments make any economic sense whatsoever.

Noncentralized banking leads to massive inflation and overextension of credit. South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela. V eventually had to peg currency to oil. Not so lucky for SA and Z.

Partisanship has broken the US down to identity politics and class struggle. That's the furthest from community improvement. Humans aren't particularly smart or logical.
Shouldn't have to tell you that each of South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela have a central bank. Zimbabwe and Venezuela have had massive inflation and over extension of credit. United States national debt with a central bank is $22 trillion that could certainly be described as an over extension of credit. What nations should be after here is a free market in interest rates. Pegging currency to oil is essentially relieving a central bank of some central function. Partisanship in the United States has grown out of the low interest rates imposed by central bank and all the resulting transfer of wealth from the middle class to the so called .1%.

Let me guess. You're well connected, right? ;)
 

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Pipelines:
Oil goes south through to Texas refineries. Oil goes to West Coast to go to US refinery by ship. The new pipeline from Alberta is to increase the flow of the oil.

But the problem is that the US wants to buy cheap oil. It offset world prices in 2012/13 through fracking its old well in the southern US (mostly I think this is an environmental accident waiting to happen), but it chopped world oil prices in half and created the loss of jobs in Alberta (Alberta is oil industry specific, its economy runs around it, and it economic problems were created by world markets, not local politicians or federal ones). As long as the US keeps fracking oil, world oil prices will remain low.
The price of oil was steadily increasing in 2012 and 2013 while the US was continually fracking. Oil prices started to decline in mid-2014, again while the US was continually fracking. If you're familiar what was happening back then, declining oil prices had nothing to do with US fracking, it was OPEC that didn't want to cut it's production - some say to keep the price of oil declining. In any event; your assertion that US fracking keeps oil prices low is woefully inaccurate.
 

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The latest on Lavscam per Canadian media via MSN.

OTTAWA - Andrew Scheer is challenging Justin Trudeau to follow through on a threat to sue him over his assertion that the prime minister politically interfered with the criminal prosecution of Montreal engineering giant SNC-Lavlin.

The Conservative leader revealed Sunday that he received a letter on March 31 from Trudeau's lawyer, Julian Porter, threatening a libel suit.

"If Mr. Trudeau believes he has a case against me, I urge him to follow through on his threat immediately," Scheer said in a statement.

"Canadians want this scandal to be investigated in a legal setting where Liberals do not control the proceedings."

Scheer said he looks forward to Trudeau testifying under oath in open court.

He called the lawsuit "an intimidation tactic" aimed at silencing the Conservatives, who have been demanding a thorough, independent investigation of the affair. It's the same kind of tactic Trudeau has employed to silence former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould, said Scheer.

"This is what Justin Trudeau does when you stand up to him. He threatens you."

Like Wilson-Raybould, Scheer added: "We will not back down. We will continue to do our jobs, hold him to account and get to the bottom of this."

Wilson-Raybould maintains she was inappropriately pressured last fall by the Prime Minister's Office to stop criminal proceedings against SNC-Lavalin on bribery charges related to contracts in Libya. She believes she was moved to Veterans Affairs in a mid-January cabinet shuffle as punishment for refusing to do so. She resigned from cabinet a month later.

While she has called the pressure improper, Wilson-Raybould has said she doesn't believe anything illegal occurred.

Last week, Trudeau expelled both Wilson-Raybould and fellow former cabinet minister Jane Philpott from the Liberal caucus. Philpott had resigned from cabinet in early March, citing a loss of confidence in the government's handling of the SNC-Lavalin case.

At issue in the threatened libel suit is a statement Scheer issued on March 29, in which he said documentation provided by Wilson-Raybould to the House of Commons justice committee — including a surreptitiously recorded phone conversation with the clerk of the Privy Council, Michael Wernick — is "concrete evidence that proves Justin Trudeau led a campaign to politically interfere with SNC-Lavalin's criminal prosecution."

Porter called the statement "highly defamatory."

"The prime minister supports wide-ranging and vigorous political debate on matters of public policy," he said in his letter to Scheer. "However, your statement, in its entirety, is beyond the pale of fair debate and is libellous of my client personally and in the way of his occupation as prime minister."

Porter said it's "entirely false" to say Trudeau interfered in the SNC prosecution, which has not been halted, or that he personally directed Wilson-Raybould to "break the law" and "fired" her when she refused. It's also entirely false to suggest Trudeau was aware of Wilson-Raybould's concern that he was politically interfering in the SNC case but lied to Canadians about it, Porter said.

Scheer's statement that the affair amounts to "corruption on top of corruption on top of corruption" was meant to suggest that Trudeau "had engaged in dishonest and corrupt conduct that would contravene the Criminal Code," a crime deserving of up to 14 years in prison, Porter said. That too was "entirely false."

In response, Scheer's lawyer, Peter Downard, wrote back Sunday that Scheer "will not be intimidated" and is simply performing his "constitutional duty" to hold the government to account.

If Trudeau is serious about suing, Downard said he must immediately take steps to preserve all relevant documents and to notify all members of his government, past and present, who've been involved in the SNC-Lavalin matter that they can expect to be called to testify.

If Trudeau does not proceed with the threatened lawsuit, Downard said Scheer will conclude that Trudeau "has properly acknowledged that Mr. Scheer's statements were appropriate and grounded in evidence before the Canadian people."

OK this is just getting pathetic now.Trudeau is wearing the SNC Lavalin scandal around his neck like a dead cat.The idiot is in total denial due to typical Lieberal arrogance.Trudeau and the Lieberals are bleeding out in the polls as badly as a soldier shot in the liver and it is self inflicted.Back 2 months ago the story by the Globe & Mail was FALSE when Trudeau faced a press scrum now Trudeau has threatened legal action via a libel suit at Andrew Scheer.

I do realize that some people vote Lieberal just for the sake of it but in that regard do you honestly think he should get another manadate to govern?Given not only his nearly 4 years of self entitlement as well as his gaffes when he has made Canada a laughing stock as a country.This scandal is a watershed in Canadian politics and people need to wake up and pay attention to not only this but the poor governance of this country under Trudeau in general.

Oh yeah....but we got legal weed.....big fuckin deal as LE across the country had no interest in wasting time on busting the average pot smoker buying a bag of grass.Busting grow ops yes....busting fentanyl dealers yes....working against organized crime yes.And the nub of it is yeah ganja got legal but it also got TAXED.

Strategically shave a monkey and dress it in a nice suit and give it a blue tie and call it a Conservative and I would vote for that over any self serving entitled Lieberal who will tell me what is best for me from their ivory tower.

SR
 

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The latest on Lavscam per Canadian media via MSN.

OTTAWA - Andrew Scheer is challenging Justin Trudeau to follow through on a threat to sue him over his assertion that the prime minister politically interfered with the criminal prosecution of Montreal engineering giant SNC-Lavlin.

The Conservative leader revealed Sunday that he received a letter on March 31 from Trudeau's lawyer, Julian Porter, threatening a libel suit.

"If Mr. Trudeau believes he has a case against me, I urge him to follow through on his threat immediately," Scheer said in a statement.

"Canadians want this scandal to be investigated in a legal setting where Liberals do not control the proceedings."

Scheer said he looks forward to Trudeau testifying under oath in open court.

He called the lawsuit "an intimidation tactic" aimed at silencing the Conservatives, who have been demanding a thorough, independent investigation of the affair. It's the same kind of tactic Trudeau has employed to silence former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould, said Scheer.

"This is what Justin Trudeau does when you stand up to him. He threatens you."

Like Wilson-Raybould, Scheer added: "We will not back down. We will continue to do our jobs, hold him to account and get to the bottom of this."

Wilson-Raybould maintains she was inappropriately pressured last fall by the Prime Minister's Office to stop criminal proceedings against SNC-Lavalin on bribery charges related to contracts in Libya. She believes she was moved to Veterans Affairs in a mid-January cabinet shuffle as punishment for refusing to do so. She resigned from cabinet a month later.

While she has called the pressure improper, Wilson-Raybould has said she doesn't believe anything illegal occurred.

Last week, Trudeau expelled both Wilson-Raybould and fellow former cabinet minister Jane Philpott from the Liberal caucus. Philpott had resigned from cabinet in early March, citing a loss of confidence in the government's handling of the SNC-Lavalin case.

At issue in the threatened libel suit is a statement Scheer issued on March 29, in which he said documentation provided by Wilson-Raybould to the House of Commons justice committee — including a surreptitiously recorded phone conversation with the clerk of the Privy Council, Michael Wernick — is "concrete evidence that proves Justin Trudeau led a campaign to politically interfere with SNC-Lavalin's criminal prosecution."

Porter called the statement "highly defamatory."

"The prime minister supports wide-ranging and vigorous political debate on matters of public policy," he said in his letter to Scheer. "However, your statement, in its entirety, is beyond the pale of fair debate and is libellous of my client personally and in the way of his occupation as prime minister."

Porter said it's "entirely false" to say Trudeau interfered in the SNC prosecution, which has not been halted, or that he personally directed Wilson-Raybould to "break the law" and "fired" her when she refused. It's also entirely false to suggest Trudeau was aware of Wilson-Raybould's concern that he was politically interfering in the SNC case but lied to Canadians about it, Porter said.

Scheer's statement that the affair amounts to "corruption on top of corruption on top of corruption" was meant to suggest that Trudeau "had engaged in dishonest and corrupt conduct that would contravene the Criminal Code," a crime deserving of up to 14 years in prison, Porter said. That too was "entirely false."

In response, Scheer's lawyer, Peter Downard, wrote back Sunday that Scheer "will not be intimidated" and is simply performing his "constitutional duty" to hold the government to account.

If Trudeau is serious about suing, Downard said he must immediately take steps to preserve all relevant documents and to notify all members of his government, past and present, who've been involved in the SNC-Lavalin matter that they can expect to be called to testify.

If Trudeau does not proceed with the threatened lawsuit, Downard said Scheer will conclude that Trudeau "has properly acknowledged that Mr. Scheer's statements were appropriate and grounded in evidence before the Canadian people."

OK this is just getting pathetic now.Trudeau is wearing the SNC Lavalin scandal around his neck like a dead cat.The idiot is in total denial due to typical Lieberal arrogance.Trudeau and the Lieberals are bleeding out in the polls as badly as a soldier shot in the liver and it is self inflicted.Back 2 months ago the story by the Globe & Mail was FALSE when Trudeau faced a press scrum now Trudeau has threatened legal action via a libel suit at Andrew Scheer.

I do realize that some people vote Lieberal just for the sake of it but in that regard do you honestly think he should get another manadate to govern?Given not only his nearly 4 years of self entitlement as well as his gaffes when he has made Canada a laughing stock as a country.This scandal is a watershed in Canadian politics and people need to wake up and pay attention to not only this but the poor governance of this country under Trudeau in general.

Oh yeah....but we got legal weed.....big fuckin deal as LE across the country had no interest in wasting time on busting the average pot smoker buying a bag of grass.Busting grow ops yes....busting fentanyl dealers yes....working against organized crime yes.And the nub of it is yeah ganja got legal but it also got TAXED.

Strategically shave a monkey and dress it in a nice suit and give it a blue tie and call it a Conservative and I would vote for that over any self serving entitled Lieberal who will tell me what is best for me from their ivory tower.

SR
Liars the federal Liberals may be. But pointing out legalizing marijuana and taxing it is not really a good example of Liberals being liars - because that's exactly what the Liberals said they were going to do.
 
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