Trudeau how can he win the next election

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CanineCowboy

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SR keep up with history - corporate donations are banned, that is why both the Liberal and Conservatives had to give their donations from SNC Lavalin back.

Scheer also met with the head of SNC Lavalin to discuss the charges and a possible deferred prosecution agreement. Scheer won't answer questions about the opinion he gave to SNC Lavalin. Only the NDP publicly said hell no to any deal.
 

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it's exactly why is doesn't suck

you're allowed to spew your verbal diarrhea just like everyone else without fear of jail/death/beating, ect.....

or haven't you been paying attention to what has been happening in Saudia Arabia/Turkey/China/Venezuela/Russia, pretty much any ...stan country, lol
Just because you have an opinion doesn't make you right. Most voter are biased bigots fueled by radical beliefs. Liberals are completely disconnected with reality while Conservatives are are living on another planet.

Voters should be treated like mushrooms. Feed them shit and keep them in the dark.
 

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This thread has become hilarious. Seems like is is propelled by a single snowflake antagonist in complete denial about the atrocious job Trudeau and the liberals have done, and the economic disaster he has encumbered Canadians. Promised a balanced budget, yet Overspent 4 times what they campained for and promised. Campaigned on "a new era of openness and transparency", yet are marred in secrecy and cover-ups amid scandal after scandal. Botched international diplomacy, becoming An international laughing stock, disrespected by India, China, and USA amongst other countries. Botched the USMCA agreement due to arrogance and feminist quota demands. Already 4 ethics violations, and a possible indictment coming up for the SNC cover up debacle.

Shills will try to distract from the current dumpster fire Liberal cabinet, by citing bad moves made by past administrations, but there is no way they can defend Trudeau's atrocious track record. Try to stay on-topic, even though it hurts. While no government is squeaky-clean, is is unquestionable that this current admin has raised the bar in terms of incompetence and corruption, showing a new low of underhandedness and secrecy. Even Trudeau's frontal Cortex (Gerry Butts), the real puppetmaster behind Mr. 'Peoplekind' , has jumped ship because he knows where this is heading. To talk about anything Harper/NDP/Cretien etc has done in view of this is like complaining of your neighbors burning cigarette butt on the floor when your own house is on fire.

No matter how many mistakes and faults of past governments you can raise, they pail in comparison to the pile of horse manure created by Turdeau. DENIAL is a five letter word.
 

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This thread has become hilarious. Seems like is is propelled by a single snowflake antagonist in complete denial about the atrocious job Trudeau and the liberals have done, and the economic disaster he has encumbered Canadians. Promised a balanced budget, yet Overspent 4 times what they campained for and promised. Campaigned on "a new era of openness and transparency", yet are marred in secrecy and cover-ups amid scandal after scandal. Botched international diplomacy, becoming An international laughing stock, disrespected by India, China, and USA amongst other countries. Botched the USMCA agreement due to arrogance and feminist quota demands. Already 4 ethics violations, and a possible indictment coming up for the SNC cover up debacle.

Shills will try to distract from the current dumpster fire Liberal cabinet, by citing bad moves made by past administrations, but there is no way they can defend Trudeau's atrocious track record. Try to stay on-topic, even though it hurts. While no government is squeaky-clean, is is unquestionable that this current admin has raised the bar in terms of incompetence and corruption, showing a new low of underhandedness and secrecy. Even Trudeau's frontal Cortex (Gerry Butts), the real puppetmaster behind Mr. 'Peoplekind' , has jumped ship because he knows where this is heading. To talk about anything Harper/NDP/Cretien etc has done in view of this is like complaining of your neighbors burning cigarette butt on the floor when your own house is on fire.

No matter how many mistakes and faults of past governments you can raise, they pail in comparison to the pile of horse manure created by Turdeau. DENIAL is a five letter word.

Sweet Jebus.....what an absolute PERFECT summation of Trudeau's term of "Sunny Ways" and with such a good anology at the end.He promised the moon and fucked Canadians over.The only promise kept was the legalization of grass.....because he wants the populace so stoned they wont remember his SHITTY governance/economic track record/self sense of entitlement/shit diplomacy and the list goes on and on.

What can you expect from a former substitute drama teacher who got coached into politics by Gerald Butts because he could get elected into an easy Lieberal friendly seat in Montreal due to name recognition.

20 BILLION deeper in debt and that budget aint gonna "balance itself" especially with Trudeau feeding at the trough of entitlement.

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Andrew Scheer spoke this week at the same event as rival Maxime Bernier and Faith Goldy - an alt right, white nationalist and possible nazi. She was actually fired from her job with a far right media company when it got out she had done an interview for an online Nazi website. Scheer refuses to comment or condemn the company he keeps, which may win him some alt right white nationalist votes, but definitely will scare off whatever is left of the 'progressive' but fiscally conservative voters.
 

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Guilt by association right? Faith Goldy, is not a racist and not a Nazi, and the accusation of such is incredulous, because she has Jewish acestry and worked for a Jewish boss. This just shows how she has been slandered by the mainstream media because they can't argue on the merits of facts, so they resort to character assasination, which gullible far left snowflakes easily believe. Yes she was fired for doing an interview with a group associated with Neo nazi, but this was because she's provocative, believes in free speech, and unlike Leftists not afraid to engage with people of different viewpoints even if that we strongly disagree. She apologised and explained how that was a mistake on her part, and if you look at her whole body of work instead of that one mis-step, you won't find any tangible evidence that shes racist or Nazi. She covered the Charlottesville incident and condemned the violent actions of the fringe groups which smeared the normal law respecting center right conservatives.

She had multicultural support for her mayoral run as well from different ethnic groups, with Chinese, Latin and Indians working on her team. Your pointing to a singular isolated incident to define her entire character, is truly disingenuous and revealing of how the far-left engages in political debate - based on feelings not facts. And before you accuse me of being a racist white nationalist, I'm a visible minority and a person of color, and Faith Goldy would 100% have my support if she ran for mayor here.
 
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Since we can't stop talking about Scheer in a Trudeau thread, even though he has condemned rasicm and nasim far-right groups, lets do some comparisons then:

Ethics Violations: Trudeau 4 ; Scheer 0
$10M Jihadi terrorist payouts: Trudeau 1 ; Scheer 0
Massive pipeline overpayments Trudeau 1; Scheer 0
Bollywood costume selfies Trudeau 9 ; Scheer 0
Groping incidents Trudeau 1 ; Scheer 0
Pressuring of AG's Trudeau 1; Scheer 0
 

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Reread the thread title, it is not actually about Trudeau, it is about how he can win the next election. Andrew Scheer openly associating with white nationalists and nazis without condemnation is one reason, past Conservative government failures is another. Or are you trying to censor free speech?

Fringe mayorial candidate Faith Goldy received 3% of the vote, unless you were in the voters booth you can't claim you know who voted for her ... everything she stands for is white nationalist
 

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People speak of nationalism without understanding what it is, nor do they understand what Nazi-ism is.

A healthy amount of nationalism would likely mean;

- Have fewer foreigners inflating real estate prices in Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto with blood and corruption money
- Taken care of our homeless issues as well as the 1/7 of Canadians living on welfare before admitting foreign refugees (who were bombed into displacement by an interventionist policy that was nationalist)
- No payout for a known and willing terrorist like Omar Khadr

Also, Nationalism can be left as well as right.

Andrew Sheer is a strong proponent of free-speech and outspokenly so. Mr Trudeau passed bill C-16, which opens the door way to punishing people not using gender pronouns.
 

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People speak of nationalism without understanding what it is, nor do they understand what Nazi-ism is.

A healthy amount of nationalism would likely mean;

- Have fewer foreigners inflating real estate prices in Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto with blood and corruption money
- Taken care of our homeless issues as well as the 1/7 of Canadians living on welfare before admitting foreign refugees (who were bombed into displacement by an interventionist policy that was nationalist)
- No payout for a known and willing terrorist like Omar Khadr

Also, Nationalism can be left as well as right.

Andrew Sheer is a strong proponent of free-speech and outspokenly so. Mr Trudeau passed bill C-16, which opens the door way to punishing people not using gender pronouns.
Not to highjack this thread but ...

I would love if some of you 'far right', 'alt right' or 'white nationalists' would self define how you self identify and what distinguishes you from the other labels. It might clear up some of the ambiguity.

An example: How is denying Omar, a Canadian, from compensation for his illegal detention and torture nationalistic? The highest court in Canada, our Supreme Court, already ruled his rights were violated and the Canadian government was responsible. Wouldn't it be seen as the opposite of nationalistic and actually subversive to the nation state to oppose the law and the Court's ruling?

I can help with starting with my own self identification. I self identify as a socially progressive, social democratic, globalist and environmentalist. I am progressive because I believe in freedom and don't support inequality, discrimination or judgement based on gender, sexuality, ethnicity, race, age or religious/spiritual belief (so actually very close to true social libertarianism, except I believe in the state limiting, controlling and subverting offence and violence whether through speech, acts of violence or potential acts of violence like gun possession). I am a social democrat because I believe in a democracy thats primary purpose is to elect a government that supports the needs of its citizenary over individual desires and promotes economic equality (a social welfare state). I am a globalist because I believe as technology has expanded our 'reach' or 'range, the idea of the nation state has become antiquated, and our responsibility must reflect that increased connection and relationship to the whole world (examples would be that I believe in environmental and humanitarian responsibility including the free flow of refugees over the individual need of Canada). I am an environmentalist because I put the needs of the environment over the desires of the economy (so I don't support consumptionism or support the recent NEB ruling that simply states that the economic interest of the pipeline expansion supercedes the potential catastrophic damage a marine spill would create).

Ignore it, respond or whatever? This is an actual expressed interest in having dialogue that probably won't lead to agreement, but at least to understanding. I am able to easily converse and find commonalities with progressive conservatives/liberals (the lower casing is intentional), socialists and communists, but have a real hard time understanding people who won't clearly define their standing on the right - like if you are a conservative, far right, alt right or white nationalist, simply declare it and differentiate yourself - why hide? I am not afraid to declare that I am left of center, but right of socialism, communism and anarchy.

Another note, in case you already didn't know, terms like politically correct, social justice warrior and snowflake or terms created by the right to insult, diminish and conspiracize the left, no one on the left uses those terms to self identify.
 

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Not to highjack this thread but ...

I would love if some of you 'far right', 'alt right' or 'white nationalists' would self define how you self identify and what distinguishes you from the other labels. It might clear up some of the ambiguity.

An example: How is denying Omar, a Canadian, from compensation for his illegal detention and torture nationalistic? The highest court in Canada, our Supreme Court, already ruled his rights were violated and the Canadian government was responsible. Wouldn't it be seen as the opposite of nationalistic and actually subversive to the nation state to oppose the law and the Court's ruling?

I can help with starting with my own self identification. I self identify as a socially progressive, social democratic, globalist and environmentalist. I am progressive because I believe in freedom and don't support inequality, discrimination or judgement based on gender, sexuality, ethnicity, race, age or religious/spiritual belief (so actually very close to true social libertarianism, except I believe in the state limiting, controlling and subverting offence and violence whether through speech, acts of violence or potential acts of violence like gun possession). I am a social democrat because I believe in a democracy thats primary purpose is to elect a government that supports the needs of its citizenary over individual desires and promotes economic equality (a social welfare state). I am a globalist because I believe as technology has expanded our 'reach' or 'range, the idea of the nation state has become antiquated, and our responsibility must reflect that increased connection and relationship to the whole world (examples would be that I believe in environmental and humanitarian responsibility including the free flow of refugees over the individual need of Canada). I am an environmentalist because I put the needs of the environment over the desires of the economy (so I don't support consumptionism or support the recent NEB ruling that simply states that the economic interest of the pipeline expansion supercedes the potential catastrophic damage a marine spill would create).

Ignore it, respond or whatever? This is an actual expressed interest in having dialogue that probably won't lead to agreement, but at least to understanding. I am able to easily converse and find commonalities with progressive conservatives/liberals (the lower casing is intentional), socialists and communists, but have a real hard time understanding people who won't clearly define their standing on the right - like if you are a conservative, far right, alt right or white nationalist, simply declare it and differentiate yourself - why hide? I am not afraid to declare that I am left of center, but right of socialism, communism and anarchy.

Another note, in case you already didn't know, terms like politically correct, social justice warrior and snowflake or terms created by the right to insult, diminish and conspiracize the left, no one on the left uses those terms to self identify.
Proof of the old adage that nobody is perfect.
 

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Reread the thread title, it is not actually about Trudeau, it is about how he can win the next election. Andrew Scheer openly associating with white nationalists and nazis without condemnation is one reason, past Conservative government failures is another. Or are you trying to censor free speech?

Fringe mayorial candidate Faith Goldy received 3% of the vote, unless you were in the voters booth you can't claim you know who voted for her ... everything she stands for is white nationalist
I don't believe in censorship, that's something your side does, along with false slander instead of engaging on fact based discussion. As you well know, 'Fringe' candidate Faith Goldy had a total media blackout by Bell/Rogers/TV and astonishingly still got 3% via word of mouth based on her policies. The Far Left mainstream media blacklisted her from any platform, and She was kicked out of every debate by John Torry who used his corporate connections to censor, because he couldn't argue her based on the facts. I was in Toronto at the time, the only media she got was from online, local CHINESE radio and TV stations which welcomed her onto their shows and had callers supporting her, as well as parts of the Indian community not happy about the over Islamification of their city. I wasn't in the voters booth, but i have eyes and ears and KNOW she had support from woke minorities who didn't buy the BS fake racist nazi lies your side was pushing.


If you believe in facts over feelings, Andrew Scheer has many times denounced racism and nazis so that isn't even a legitimate point. There was no racists or nazis at that event you speak of. Are you calling Maxime Bernier or part Jewish Faith Goldy a nazi? You like to slander them by misleadingly calling them 'White Nationalist" to imply they are racist nazi, but this is just childish semantics and silly word games on your part - she's White and she's a Nationalist, but being a nationalist doesn't equate to racist or nazi as you would like to mislead people to think. Being a Nationalist means Canadian first policies which benefit Canadians of all colors creeds and races. So i guess that makes me a Colored Nationalist then, because i believe we have an obligation to help Canadians first before we try to become the homeless shelter of the world.

As a minority and person of color, i find it really funny how its mainly White SJW's like to get outraged over pseudo racism or nazism, yet they've never really faced any discrimination or racism themselves in their lives, yet claim to be experts and think its the most important issue of today? I can tell you from my experience, that racism and nazism is not even on the radar on my daily life, because if its there its so miniscule and imperceivable and doesn't effect me. Canadians on the whole are good people and not racist, its a false narrative by Leftist communist lovers to divide Canadians, and the fact i advanced very far in my field of work, and dated White women and other cultures proves it. What we care about are Policies that affect our day-to-day living. Taxes, jobs, non-corruption, transparency, sensible services, wise spending, sensible immigration policies, public safety, econommic growth, strong canadian dollar, pragmatism -Not getting outraged over feelings that have no bearing on my daily life. This is the reason why Trump took office and Trudeau will get voted out.
 
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Simple question followed by what seems to be non factual alt right drivel. Bell Media isn't left wing, none of mainstream media is, it is all centre to right.

A little lesson for you - Liberals aren't left, they are centre to right! The NDP are left of centre. The PCs used to be right of centre to right but left the centerists behind to move markly to the right ever since the Reform Party days. Hence the Liberals swept up the voters they left behind. I have friends who voted PC or Conservative their whole lives who held their nose and voted Liberal in the last election because they could no longer stomach what the Conservative Party has become. The Conservative leadership came down to Andrew and Maxime - where was the so called 'red' Tory candidate of the past. That used to be the traditional split in the PC party.

Yesterday, I walked in the snow with an immigrant Canadian who has been in Canada for over 30 years. He said he never realized how prevalent racism in Canada was until he could pass as being white.
 

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FelineCowgirl, there you go again with your slander instead of engaging on real facts. Typical Alt-left tactic using character assasination to imply i am 'Alt-Right' nazi when i'm a classical Liberalist (not a modern far-left liberal).

A little lesson for you - Do you that politics is fluid and things have changed over the last 10 years? Once center parties can use policies to shift in order to get votes. Corporate media isn't liberal left leaning? If they are right leaning, why did they completely blackout and censor Faith Goldy who had center-right policies, while promoting John Torry with leftists agenda? Trudeau's Liberals aren't left? you going to tell me that that CBC is non-biased and center politically also? Are you going to tell me that US democrats are still centurists? I know marijuana is legal now, but every once in awhile you should pass the joint to your neighbor.

So know you are resorting to the "I have a friend" logic lol....so you clearly have gone through the same challenges and suffering. More anecdotal SJW virtue signalling garbage. So your immigrant Canadian friend, it took him 30 years to 'realized how prevalent racism in Canada' because he didn't notice it before? Interesting to know Canada is so racist he decided to stay here 30 years anyways, and it hasn't forced him to leave like native Jews in Arab states. Yes, racism is so prevalent he has a White friend like you, and i'm guessing it hasn't stop him from having a job, a career, and survives in Canada where he can talk about such issues. As someone who would have personally faced racism, it hasn't ever once stopped me from achieving my goals in Canada, thats just a bunch of garbage lies from communists who want to cry about fake problems
to get free things without working for it. I was just at the hospital yesterday - My doctor was Iranian, the nurse was filipino, the receptionist was Indian, yeah racism is so prevalent it stops minorities from getting high paying jobs and acheiving respectable careers in Canada. Please stop with your garbage lies about how 'racist' Canada is, because it simply isn't true. You just WANT to believe the 'feelings' of your 'friend' over the facts you see before your eyes, because it suites your alt-left narrative.

By the way, i have a Black friend, so using your logic, i have full knowledge and understanding of the Black community, slavery and all intricate issues. Do we want to talk about how knowledgable we are about sub-cultures you know nothing about since you have a 'friend'?
 
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Getting back to topic, instead of indulging in Alt-left fake conspiracy theories about how Scheer is a nazi and how racist Canadians are.

These comics perfectly illustrates the hypocrisy and duplicity of the Trudeau regime. He's a real feminist and advocate of transparency and free-speech, except of course when it comes to anything that would embarrass him and his cronies.



 

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Simple question followed by what seems to be non factual alt right drivel. Bell Media isn't left wing, none of mainstream media is, it is all centre to right.

A little lesson for you - Liberals aren't left, they are centre to right! The NDP are left of centre. The PCs used to be right of centre to right but left the centerists behind to move markly to the right ever since the Reform Party days. Hence the Liberals swept up the voters they left behind. I have friends who voted PC or Conservative their whole lives who held their nose and voted Liberal in the last election because they could no longer stomach what the Conservative Party has become. The Conservative leadership came down to Andrew and Maxime - where was the so called 'red' Tory candidate of the past. That used to be the traditional split in the PC party.

Yesterday, I walked in the snow with an immigrant Canadian who has been in Canada for over 30 years. He said he never realized how prevalent racism in Canada was until he could pass as being white.
First, I am an immigrant. I'm about as identifiable as a white spot on a black wall. But I've been given citizenship and have been assimilated. I love this country so much that my dog is named Avro. I have the right to be a nationalist Canadian because I earned it by serving it and providing for tax payers with my civil service.

None of your beliefs you spewed in the previous post makes you an egalitarian or a classical liberal. You paint people into left and right without considering non-biased perspectives. While classical liberal values are about humanism, your liberal values are about as repressive as they come.

Your beliefs are embroiled in equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. This makes people like you a danger to society. You discriminate in the name of equality and think that, just because you do something in the name of equality, you have the right to be discriminatory and throw around things like "alt-right" and nationalist.

In case you didn't know, Nazi means Nationalsozialistische, or nationalist socialist, which is a form of nationalism based on socialist beliefs. It's what got 6 million Jews killed.

Also, Khadr is a terrorist. He follows a foreign set of beliefs. He KILLED people based on a religious belief that is neither native to Canada nor accepted by general Canadians. If you pay apology to Khadr simply because the government mishandled his case, maybe you can go ahead and support Sharia law and genital mutilation too. People who kill, who do not have beliefs of Canada should not be held as equals under Canadian law. His rights and citizenship shouldn't be equal to those of a law-abiding citizen who wants nothing but to care for himself, his family, and his fellow countrymen.

You're eager to paint yourself into the camp of the saviors when it's people like you who will destabilize society by killing people in the name of equality. It happened in China. It happened in Russia. And it will happen if it's not stopped. Extremism of the right is ruthless. But extremism of the left is shameless.

Liberals have killed or caused the death of over 250 Million people in the last century.

The Nazis killed 25.
 

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First, I am an immigrant. I'm about as identifiable as a white spot on a black wall. But I've been given citizenship and have been assimilated. I love this country so much that my dog is named Avro. I have the right to be a nationalist Canadian because I earned it by serving it and providing for tax payers with my civil service.

None of your beliefs you spewed in the previous post makes you an egalitarian or a classical liberal. You paint people into left and right without considering non-biased perspectives. While classical liberal values are about humanism, your liberal values are about as repressive as they come.

Your beliefs are embroiled in equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. This makes people like you a danger to society. You discriminate in the name of equality and think that, just because you do something in the name of equality, you have the right to be discriminatory and throw around things like "alt-right" and nationalist.

In case you didn't know, Nazi means Nationalsozialistische, or nationalist socialist, which is a form of nationalism based on socialist beliefs. It's what got 6 million Jews killed.

Also, Khadr is a terrorist. He follows a foreign set of beliefs. He KILLED people based on a religious belief that is neither native to Canada nor accepted by general Canadians. If you pay apology to Khadr simply because the government mishandled his case, maybe you can go ahead and support Sharia law and genital mutilation too. People who kill, who do not have beliefs of Canada should not be held as equals under Canadian law. His rights and citizenship shouldn't be equal to those of a law-abiding citizen who wants nothing but to care for himself, his family, and his fellow countrymen.

You're eager to paint yourself into the camp of the saviors when it's people like you who will destabilize society by killing people in the name of equality. It happened in China. It happened in Russia. And it will happen if it's not stopped. Extremism of the right is ruthless. But extremism of the left is shameless.

Liberals have killed or caused the death of over 250 Million people in the last century.

The Nazis killed 25.
Your source please?
 

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This thread has become hilarious. Seems like is is propelled by a single snowflake antagonist in complete denial about the atrocious job Trudeau and the liberals have done, and the economic disaster he has encumbered Canadians. Promised a balanced budget, yet Overspent 4 times what they campained for and promised. Campaigned on "a new era of openness and transparency", yet are marred in secrecy and cover-ups amid scandal after scandal. Botched international diplomacy, becoming An international laughing stock, disrespected by India, China, and USA amongst other countries. Botched the USMCA agreement due to arrogance and feminist quota demands. Already 4 ethics violations, and a possible indictment coming up for the SNC cover up debacle.

Shills will try to distract from the current dumpster fire Liberal cabinet, by citing bad moves made by past administrations, but there is no way they can defend Trudeau's atrocious track record. Try to stay on-topic, even though it hurts. While no government is squeaky-clean, is is unquestionable that this current admin has raised the bar in terms of incompetence and corruption, showing a new low of underhandedness and secrecy. Even Trudeau's frontal Cortex (Gerry Butts), the real puppetmaster behind Mr. 'Peoplekind' , has jumped ship because he knows where this is heading. To talk about anything Harper/NDP/Cretien etc has done in view of this is like complaining of your neighbors burning cigarette butt on the floor when your own house is on fire.

No matter how many mistakes and faults of past governments you can raise, they pail in comparison to the pile of horse manure created by Turdeau. DENIAL is a five letter word.
Your source please?
The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression.

Add;

Great Leap Forward (45 million)
Proxy war deaths in Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia.
Greece resistance deaths to communism
Ongoing deaths as a result of opposition deaths to current Communist states
Opportunity cost deaths in countries with ineffective governance

I'm glad you stopped quoting a mass-murderer of Obama in your signature. Good for you.
 
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