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Hugh Jass

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I’m curious of the source of your quote. It seems a bit simplistic to me that Sharia law can be summed up in 8 rules.
Perhaps this will help you. Womens rights under Islam from an Iranian woman Azam Kanguian who was imprisoned under the mullahs, escaped to the west and has authored several books on the subject. It goes into more detail on this aspect of sharia law if you are interested. She has lived it and speaks out.

https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/islam-and-womens-rights/
 

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Justin the Turd should be charged with Treason at the highest level for Betraying his own people. We are a secular country and that is the law of Canada. Anyone changing that law and especially with regard to freedom of speech is IMO a traitor of his own country and an enemy, although Justin takes it further and is more like an enemy who smiles at you in the face...

I used to tolerate him, but after his last situation with the guy who assaulted a female aboriginal for practicing her free speech and Justin and his security took the guy who assaulted the native ladies' side, it firmed my belief of the biggot he really his, he's a fake poser and poster boy for the ruling elite, he does not give 2 shits about Canada or "Canadians", all he cares about is a seat at the UN. He sold out his soul and his country we all love! His responses the entire term during question period are laughable at best... "we are committed to helping Canadians achieve their dreams, whatever they are, we stand with you"... blah blah blah... That's our Braindead PM... Give him a lollipop for participating and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 

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Phobic by definition is 'an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something'. So a phobia by definition isn't reasonable.

And your use of 'prevalent' means 'widespread', which misrepresents the participation in terrorism within the Muslim population.

So your implication that it is reasonable to be Islamophobic is wrong.
participation might be small, but the support for it isn't

it's part of their ideology, which is what religions are, which Islam, Islamist are all about

if it's a Phobia

why did we take in the pretty Saudi? Bibi's kids, her, if she ever gets here

they didn't have anything to fear back home, among the peaceful Muslims, the large % of the pop

not to mention all that's happened in the west in the last 20+yrs

yeah, it's just an irrational fear

those Christians, Jews, gays, atheists, infidels, they're just irrational, nothing to worry about

reality proves nothing, why did all the Christians flee Lebanon?


look at one country that doesn't have a Muslim issue, Japan, like it or not, it's cause they haven't allowed it to be imported there

but it's all irrational, no truth to it at all


there's no one in this country trying to institute Sharia law

oh wait, McGuinty tried in Ontario, must have been dreaming that :sleeping:



funny, I haven't seen your hero Trudeau say the white guy from NZ just needs to be given a hug and listened to, so we can understand why he did what he did

like he did after the Boston bombing
 

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it's part of their ideology, which is what religions are, which Islam, Islamist are all about
Islam is not unique. You're just seeing a snapshot. Religion is useful to the ruling power when it helps justify their rule. The Catholic Church made aggressive violent use of it. There were the Spanish Inquisitions. There were executions by strict application of Leviticus, etc. Hell, there were the Salem witch trials, using religious excuses to suppress wilful women.

You might say that Christianity evolved, but that stuff is still in the book and its history.

It's not really about Islam being any more or less barbaric than any other religion. It's about regions that are applying it barbarically.

This is why it can be both a religion of peace and a lightning rod of radicalism.

There are only a few modes of religious operation for any community: content compliance, oppressive enforcement, or secularism.

Christianity evolved back to a state of content compliance because the many of the parts that evolved to be socially objectionable were eventually ignored, but don't discount the turmoil that got it there. Modern ("moderate") Islam is on the same trajectory. (Though the envelope is being pushed again in Christianity too -- albeit much more gently than in some pockets of Islam.)

You tend to get oppressive enforcement when the other two are no longer viable. Globalisation has threatened their contentment. e.g. Women are being arrested in Saudi Arabia because they see what could be and are no longer content and are acting out. The powers increase their grip to control them and their isolationist policies to restrict access to other ways of thinking.

The status quo is being threatened. Even having alternate "modern Muslim" examples is a threat and driving the fundamentalists to fight back like a cornered animal.

Christianity has done it in the past. It might even do it again and give rise to small radicalised violent fundamentalist factions. If there was a country that was strongly governed by it and stubbornly traditional, you'd even see it enshrined in law. There may not be public stonings, but you would definitely see the erosion of rights for practices incompatible with fundamental teachings. (Which explains why the reassertion of religiously driven exceptions to rights and freedoms as well as isolationist policies in Western societies is a concern to progressives, and why even fanciful cautionary fiction like The Handmade's Tale gets such traction. It's not the flavour of religion but how and by whom it's wielded that gives it its tone.)

To be clear, I'm not arguing that the observable damage of fundamental Christian rule today is on par with fundamental Islam. I'm just arguing that's more about the mood of the day, the geopolitical distribution of their respective fundamentalists, and the degree to which those fundamentalists feel their power to be threatened, than anything fundamentally different about Islam.
 

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Islam is not unique. You're just seeing a snapshot. Religion is useful to the ruling power when it helps justify their rule. The Catholic Church made aggressive violent use of it. There were the Spanish Inquisitions. There were executions by strict application of Leviticus, etc. Hell, there were the Salem witch trials, using religious excuses to suppress wilful women.

You might say that Christianity evolved, but that stuff is still in the book and its history.

It's not really about Islam being any more or less barbaric than any other religion. It's about regions that are applying it barbarically.

This is why it can be both a religion of peace and a lightning rod of radicalism.

There are only a few modes of religious operation for any community: content compliance, oppressive enforcement, or secularism.

Christianity evolved back to a state of content compliance because the many of the parts that evolved to be socially objectionable were eventually ignored, but don't discount the turmoil that got it there. Modern ("moderate") Islam is on the same trajectory. (Though the envelope is being pushed again in Christianity too -- albeit much more gently than in some pockets of Islam.)

You tend to get oppressive enforcement when the other two are no longer viable. Globalisation has threatened their contentment. e.g. Women are being arrested in Saudi Arabia because they see what could be and are no longer content and are acting out. The powers increase their grip to control them and their isolationist policies to restrict access to other ways of thinking.

The status quo is being threatened. Even having alternate "modern Muslim" examples is a threat and driving the fundamentalists to fight back like a cornered animal.

Christianity has done it in the past. It might even do it again and give rise to small radicalised violent fundamentalist factions. If there was a country that was strongly governed by it and stubbornly traditional, you'd even see it enshrined in law. There may not be public stonings, but you would definitely see the erosion of rights for practices incompatible with fundamental teachings. (Which explains why the reassertion of religiously driven exceptions to rights and freedoms as well as isolationist policies in Western societies is a concern to progressives, and why even fanciful cautionary fiction like The Handmade's Tale gets such traction. It's not the flavour of religion but how and by whom it's wielded that gives it its tone.)

To be clear, I'm not arguing that the observable damage of fundamental Christian rule today is on par with fundamental Islam. I'm just arguing that's more about the mood of the day, the geopolitical distribution of their respective fundamentalists, and the degree to which those fundamentalists feel their power to be threatened, than anything fundamentally different about Islam.
Most religious terrorism or extremism stems from poverty, destitution or devastation.

People with ready meals on the table, a fuckable partner and happy stable lives don't blow shit up. Jordan, Mossadegh-Iran, Malaysia are all relatively peaceful.

Islam doesn't breed terrorism. It just happens that many terrorists are Islamic.
 

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Trudeau, PMO staff hired outside lawyers in case RCMP probes SNC-Lavalin affair – The Globe and Mail

If you didn't do ANYTHING wrong....why would you hire lawyer....???? Sure hope it's on HIS dime.

https://canadanewsmedia.ca/2019/03/...probes-snc-lavalin-affair-the-globe-and-mail/
And today the Clerk of the Privvy Council decided to just retire from his pork barrel job.....up and quit from his place at the trough.

Thus far Canadians have seen a demoted Justice Minister leave Cabinet as well as the Treasury Minister and Gerald Butts who was the "Sacrificial Lamb" so to speak whose testimony to the Justice Committee did not outright call JWR a LIAR it was implied.

Add to that list now Canada's HIGHEST Bureaucrat.At the same time through all of this when the story first broke Trudeau said the whole thing was "false" and "untrue".

What Canadians are seeing is the top of the proverbial iceberg......Canadians are seeing 30% of the facts and the other 70% of the details/truth is being or being tried to be swept under the rug or pushed behind the curtain.

One thing that must be done is an RCMP investigation and the former Justice Minister MUST be allowed to testify with total freedom and no constraints.

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What a surprise....the Lieberals today shut down the Justice Committee investigation and released the budget(it did not balance itself) and made a feeble attempt to bribe Canadians with their own money that is raked in via taxes.

Sweep it under the rug and shrug.....just like over how Mac Harb's illegal Senate expense money was repaid.....his share was $480,000.....more than Duffy/Brazeau/Wallin combined.....got swept under the rug though.

SR
 

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Most religious terrorism or extremism stems from poverty, destitution or devastation.

People with ready meals on the table, a fuckable partner and happy stable lives don't blow shit up. Jordan, Mossadegh-Iran, Malaysia are all relatively peaceful.

Islam doesn't breed terrorism. It just happens that many terrorists are Islamic.
A Christian analogy would be Northern Ireland.
Two sides, hopelessly poor in a hopeless economy, seeing each other as rivals for scarce resources.
When the economy picked up and people actually had jobs to occupy their time, the violence diminished.
Now the economy is tanking and the sectarian violence has reappeared.
 

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The PM answers all SNC questions in French so that fewer English speakers would understand him.

Fucking jackass of a prime minister.
 

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The PM answers all SNC questions in French so that fewer English speakers would understand him.

Fucking jackass of a prime minister.
Or perhaps he's answering in French because the whole SNC affair is not viewed nearly as negatively in Quebec than it is in the rest of Canada. Combine that with an upcoming Federal election where, I suspect, the Liberals are hoping to gain seats to counter seat losses that are expected in other parts of Canada, kind of makes sense for PM to answer in French when it comes to SNC. Assuming use of French to confuse/avoid English speakers is a big stretch of an assumption; given all the PM's answers would be translated into English immediately anyways.
 

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What laws did Trudeau and or his cabinet break?

There was a law in place that they could of used to just fine SNC Lavlin. Was this where the pressure was for JWR??

Nothing was done in favour of SNC Lavlin due to JWR.

So your boss ask you to do something that is not illegal, and you don't do it. You end up fired or demoted. JWR was demoted to a lesser cabinet position (was offered Indian Affairs but declined that). She didn't like it. So the scandal came out. Then JWR quit the Veterans Affairs ministry..... because she lost the confidence of cabinet (privy counsel)

From a political point of view it looks like JWR is a whistle-blower..... not following party lines/decisions....

As much as everyone thinks JWR is a great person and did the right thing with SNC Lavlin, she did not follow the party line or dictates of the privy counsel. There was pressure to change her mind (but that is not illegal), she didn't listen, she lost her job at the Justice Ministry and demoted to a another less important ministry( Catch 22 situation dammed if you do/ dammed if you don't). In the future she will not hold a major ministry while Trudeau is around, and even if she crosses the floor to the conservatives, she would not hold a position in any cabinet if the Conservatives win, because the conservatives could never trust her to follow party lines/decisions. Thus this SNC Lavlin scandal has proven political suicide for JWR, even though she did the right thing.

SNC Lavlin is a major federal contractor. Losing contracts with the federal government at most means people quitting SNC Lavlin and going to work for another company, and the people would still be doing the same job. The problem here is the individuals in the company that did wrong things and the company pays for it.

A prime example of this is the HSBC in the states were caught for laundering money for the Mexican cartel in Mexico through accounts in the US. A deal was reached whereby the bank officers in the states were not prosecuted, in return for the banking information passed on to US federal authorities.... PS if you are a banker you'll never go to jail.....

So I may ask what is the scandal about again?? Were laws broken? Did money change hands?
 

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Laws need not be broken for something to be considered a political "scandal". In the world of politics, bad optics are all that is required for something to be considered a political scandal. Senior SNC executives consistently lobbying PMO and Cabinet Ministers combined with DPA legislation being included in a budget bill (some might say) quietly and then PMO officials effectively lobbying MOJAG in collaboration with SNC makes it bad optics. No laws broken but bad optics nonetheless and a political scandal is created. MP conflict of interest rules are similar. An MP/Minister can be found to be in conflict of interest if there is merely a perception of conflict of interest, let alone an actual conflict of interest.
 

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And another Liberal quits caucus. MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes will sit as an independent.
 

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Or perhaps he's answering in French because the whole SNC affair is not viewed nearly as negatively in Quebec than it is in the rest of Canada. Combine that with an upcoming Federal election where, I suspect, the Liberals are hoping to gain seats to counter seat losses that are expected in other parts of Canada, kind of makes sense for PM to answer in French when it comes to SNC. Assuming use of French to confuse/avoid English speakers is a big stretch of an assumption; given all the PM's answers would be translated into English immediately anyways.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
 

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Appears all the ones doing the blind-sideing and quitting are female Libs
Puzzling.... not really.... good bye
Justin and the team win again this fall unconditionally
Probably minority but if you really think the other two jokers running for the competing parties will win.... your not thinking straight or logically. Canada is great again!!!
Harper and his flunkies are long gone too. Bravo
 

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Well I guess your memory is short on FACTS!Harper Prorougued Parliament shortly after an election when the trio of bozos with them being Stephane Dion(pussywimp french Lieberal)Jack Layton( the commie who did not have the balls to admit when he got caught at an asian micro as Toronto city councillor) and lastly Gilles Duceppe of the BLOC(who is retired) tried to form a coalition and hijack government.

The most common reaction by the public was.....WTF?.....I did not vote for those three asshole to form a government!That act of those three assholes was an insult to voters who just went through an election that saw a MINORITY conservative government elected for the second time.

These are the facts I present to you.

Change my mind.

SR
Probably shouldn't respond to such an old post. But when someone claims "these are the facts" when the post actually contains one single fact - that being in 2008 Dion/Layton/Duceppe did agree to form a coalition less than 2 months after an election. A more relevant fact would be that under our Parliamentary system, coalitions are perfectly permissible. Winning a Federal election merely grants a particular party the right to attempt to form a government; that government may only continue to govern if it maintains the confidence of Parliament. In Canada, we do not directly elect our PM, thus, a government can fall (in theory) at any time. Clearly your opinion is/was that a coalition government is a "hijacking" as you put it. Perhaps it's a better exercise to try and understand why the coalition was formed at that time. Publicly the coalition stated they were unhappy that the fiscal update that caused the whole issue lacked a fiscal stimulus plan (keep in mind this was late 2008). The actually reason the coalition wanted to topple the government was because said fiscal update (which is basically a mini-budget) contained a provision to amend the election laws, specifically eliminating the per vote funding political parties receive. Basically the conservatives attempted to effectively de-fund all federal political parties. Throughout the Harper minority years never once did the other Federal parties even think about forming a coalition - only when faced with a Government that attempted to de-fund them (in effect financially ruining them) did they band together. Regardless of political leanings, a PM asking a GG to prorogue Parliament simply to avoid a confidence vote was up until that time unprecedented. I personally believe Harper is an intelligent person and a highly strategic thinker. Unfortunately he is also very much an ideologue, which in my opinion, made him fail to see how the other parties would respond to facing financial ruin by eliminating the per vote subsidies.
 

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If SNC-Lavalin was based in Calgary, and Scheer was Prime Minister a lot of guys would be calling him a hero for doing exactly what Trudeau did.
 

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If SNC-Lavalin was based in Calgary, and Scheer was Prime Minister a lot of guys would be calling him a hero for doing exactly what Trudeau did.
But it's not and meanwhile Turdeau has done fuck all about all the job losses in the oil patch throughout Western Canada. He's all gung ho to save 9000 jobs (although that figure has been widely disputed by industry insiders) but 10's of thousands are out of work in Western Canada and we hear crickets. Oh, except overpaying for a mothballed pipeline with our money.
 
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