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Truck driver fined $2,000 for crash that killed two-year-old girl

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You always have such positive news to share.

But really, just from that report it was an accident. People die in those from time to time. He wasn't (according to that report) driving recklessly. Why should he go to jail? No it's not fair a baby died, it's also not fair people are born into poverty, etc....

An old friend in high school hit and killed a girl on his motorcycle (mind you this was at night, backroads, she had no reflective). Court ruled him innocent of any criminal charges, family wasn't able to sue him personally either. He issued his apology through his lawyer. And I can promise you one thing, he felt like shit for a long time. And I dont mean "man I'm bummed out" feeling bad, but "staring into his beer, not saying a word all night for days on end other than to mutter ...I killed someone...."
 

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You always have such positive news to share.

But really, just from that report it was an accident. People die in those from time to time. He wasn't (according to that report) driving recklessly. Why should he go to jail? No it's not fair a baby died, it's also not fair people are born into poverty, etc....

An old friend in high school hit and killed a girl on his motorcycle (mind you this was at night, backroads, she had no reflective). Court ruled him innocent of any criminal charges, family wasn't able to sue him personally either. He issued his apology through his lawyer. And I can promise you one thing, he felt like shit for a long time. And I dont mean "man I'm bummed out" feeling bad, but "staring into his beer, not saying a word all night for days on end other than to mutter ...I killed someone...."
touche! I admit I got to develop more of a sense of humor. I got to look for some more fun articles to post :D

Granted I may be judging a book by it's cover but he seems to have that look of someone being totally oblivious to things around him. Last month they had that inquiry regarding the workplace accident involving the Vietnamese workers at the mushroom farm. I believe the owner (think he was Vietnamese) didn't even bother showing up at the inquest; everything was done through a lawyer. Meanwhile 3 guys are dead and two other are in vegetative state.

Anyway, if that ever were to happen to me, I would be begging for forgiveness from that family and I would be showing my remorse and would be doing whatever I could to redeem myself and make myself a better person but that's just me.
 
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I hear you, I wont judge the man by his look (I've only seen this article). They had his driving record, plenty of speeding violations, but nothing since '09. Some people are just bad drivers, and the tests to issue a license are quite simple unfortunatly.

I'd love to say I'd do anything in my power to make it right (I'll full on admit I'm also doing what I can to stay out of jail for an accident where there really isn't a concrete "I'm at fault", no good can come out of jail if you aren't actually a "criminal"). But from having talked with my friend over what happens he's told me it's really hard to look someone in the eye when all they want is for you to burn (he really wasn't a coward either), and at the time there isn't much good that can come out of it. Until I'm in that position though (and I hope I never am), I cant say for certain what I'd do - and it's one of those situations where I dont think alot of us can say with certainty what we'd do until we're faced with it. It really is a downright dark place to be, one of the worst, knowing you killed an innocent and certain people want your head for it.

Owners of factories/companies. Different story. Alot only care about employee when it pertains to their bottom line. Talking with some of the higher ups in the construction/engineering companies I've worked for (especially heads of "safety" and by that I mean heads of "keep our insurance premiums low") just leaves me wanting to go take a shower. Slimy buggers.
 

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I hear you, I wont judge the man by his look (I've only seen this article). They had his driving record, plenty of speeding violations, but nothing since '09. Some people are just bad drivers, and the tests to issue a license are quite simple unfortunatly.

I'd love to say I'd do anything in my power to make it right (I'll full on admit I'm also doing what I can to stay out of jail for an accident where there really isn't a concrete "I'm at fault", no good can come out of jail if you aren't actually a "criminal"). But from having talked with my friend over what happens he's told me it's really hard to look someone in the eye when all they want is for you to burn (he really wasn't a coward either), and at the time there isn't much good that can come out of it. Until I'm in that position though (and I hope I never am), I cant say for certain what I'd do - and it's one of those situations where I dont think alot of us can say with certainty what we'd do until we're faced with it. It really is a downright dark place to be, one of the worst, knowing you killed an innocent and certain people want your head for it.

Owners of factories/companies. Different story. Alot only care about employee when it pertains to their bottom line. Talking with some of the higher ups in the construction/engineering companies I've worked for (especially heads of "safety" and by that I mean heads of "keep our insurance premiums low") just leaves me wanting to go take a shower. Slimy buggers.
There was a video of the incident which showed a skateboarder cutting in front of the driver. This along with extensive construction distracted him. It was a tragic accident.
 

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There was a video of the incident which showed a skateboarder cutting in front of the driver. This along with extensive construction distracted him. It was a tragic accident.
Yea that's my point, it was just an accident (I dont mean "just" in a ho-hum kinda way, but in a way that I dont think fault should be laid and jail time served).
 

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Yea that's my point, it was just an accident (I dont mean "just" in a ho-hum kinda way, but in a way that I dont think fault should be laid and jail time served).
There was a video of the incident which showed a skateboarder cutting in front of the driver. This along with extensive construction distracted him. It was a tragic accident.
I agree there were special circumstances in this incident but the fact that this guy has had indiscretions in the past, makes it hard for me to feel any empathy for this individual. If the individual had a clean record and this had happened, then it would be easier for me to stomach.

Again I may be a cynic but once people are bad (assholes/bitches) or have no moral base or commit sins on a consistent basis, I find it truly hard to believe that these kinda people can be rehabilitated. As for myself, I was 16 and a new driver and I almost hit someone at a crosswalk. On a rainy day a car in front of me had stopped at an intersection but I impatiently decided to change lanes (go to the left lane) and pass him only to realize that a group of school kids were crossing the street Luckily I stopped in time but it was close. After that never again have I ever sped through an intersection.
 

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I agree there were special circumstances in this incident but the fact that this guy has had indiscretions in the past, makes it hard for me to feel any empathy for this individual. If the individual had a clean record and this had happened, then it would be easier for me to stomach.
More of a general question. When does past record not matter anymore? I personally dont believe in forever having to atone for ones sins. Should someone hold things against me I did as a teenager? 15 years ago? 10 years? What's the statute of limitations? To believe people dont change goes far beyond cynicism and into pure pessimism and wanting to see the world as an evil or bad place.

According to the report, many of his violations are long since past, and he's not received one since '09. To label someone as an asshole/bitch or claim they have no moral base, or commit sins due to traffic violations is really really harsh. Most people commit traffic violations on a daily basis, since most never have any ramifications (ie accidents or even tickets) it becomes very commonplace (there are streets back home with a posted limit of 50, but flow of traffic is always 70 and the cops let it all happen). Traffic violations are not murder, rape, or torture.

I dont think anyone needs to feel empathy for the man, that should be reserved for the family that lost their child (I wont even call them victims, I do feel for them, but this was a tragic occurance not a "crime") But nobody should be calling for his head or to lock him up. Some lives were forever altered already, do we senslessly need to alter more lives for the worse as well? It's not like he sped through the intersection, report claims he was doing 12kph.

Let me ask you, if you hadn't of had a close call when you were a young'in would you be so careful now when you drive? Is there nothing else in your life you maybe take shortcuts on, bend the rules a little; things that appear harmless, and for the most part are harmless, except for that odd time when serious consequences can occur?
 

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More of a general question. When does past record not matter anymore? I personally dont believe in forever having to atone for ones sins. Should someone hold things against me I did as a teenager? 15 years ago? 10 years? What's the statute of limitations? To believe people dont change goes far beyond cynicism and into pure pessimism and wanting to see the world as an evil or bad place.

According to the report, many of his violations are long since past, and he's not received one since '09. To label someone as an asshole/bitch or claim they have no moral base, or commit sins due to traffic violations is really really harsh. Most people commit traffic violations on a daily basis, since most never have any ramifications (ie accidents or even tickets) it becomes very commonplace (there are streets back home with a posted limit of 50, but flow of traffic is always 70 and the cops let it all happen). Traffic violations are not murder, rape, or torture.

I dont think anyone needs to feel empathy for the man, that should be reserved for the family that lost their child (I wont even call them victims, I do feel for them, but this was a tragic occurance not a "crime") But nobody should be calling for his head or to lock him up. Some lives were forever altered already, do we senslessly need to alter more lives for the worse as well? It's not like he sped through the intersection, report claims he was doing 12kph.

Let me ask you, if you hadn't of had a close call when you were a young'in would you be so careful now when you drive? Is there nothing else in your life you maybe take shortcuts on, bend the rules a little; things that appear harmless, and for the most part are harmless, except for that odd time when serious consequences can occur?
You've made some really good points and I don't necessarily disagree with your point of view. In a perfect world, you can afford to have that kind of forgiveness.

Yes if it wasn't for that close call, I probably would have continued being a dork when driving. That incident scared the crap out of me. I was 16 and I saw how close I came to running down a group of 11 year old girls.

As for me being pessimistic I think you may have a point. And as you said, murder, rape or torture are traffic violations but I do think that whenever someone commits an indiscretion whether it be rape, murder, torture, careless driving, bullying, obnoxiousness, etc. they all share one common trait; an insensitivity to the world around them. Some may be worse than others but in the end, these individuals' moral compass is certainly out of normality. Here's an example of a mindset that's gone beyond repair. You have a vast minority out there who don't pay for transit whether it be on a bus or on a skytrain. The people have now gotten so use to it that it has become an entitlement to them; an impossible thing to eliminate. If transit had installed fare gates like they do around the world or have bus drivers enforce payment, we wouldn't have the problem we do today. My point is that is you need to make people accountable for their poor decisions or it may be too late. Now I really have to shake my head whenever a person realizes a change is needed in his/her life only when it's at the expense of another person or in this situation the death of a person.

I used to remember a time when right and wrong was as clear as night and day. You commit a crime, you get punished. You behave badly at home, you get punished. I think you get my drift here. Now it seems punishment is not the solution anymore in our society and we must have more faith in our fellow brothers and sisters to be decent people or give them the benefit of doubt that they'll learn to become better citizens. At the end of the day, I believe people need to be held accountable for their actions. I am not saying the guy should be thrown in jail and have the key thrown away but to have only a $2000 fine and escape with it not being a felony, is a bit questionable for me.

This is a challenging topic we're dealing with here and I truly believe this is one of many symptoms of what's ailing our society today. I seriously think there are challenges in our society today but sometimes I get the feeling our society is not trying hard enough to combat these problems and is just praying to god that nothing bad ever happens. But at the end of the day someone always has to pay the price and in this case a 2 year old girl.
 
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I always thought the person who caused the accident should at least pay for the funeral of the victim. Funerals can range anywhere from 10k-50k. That's the very least they could do.
 

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I agree there were special circumstances in this incident but the fact that this guy has had indiscretions in the past, makes it hard for me to feel any empathy for this individual. If the individual had a clean record and this had happened, then it would be easier for me to stomach.

Again I may be a cynic but once people are bad (assholes/bitches) or have no moral base or commit sins on a consistent basis, I find it truly hard to believe that these kinda people can be rehabilitated. As for myself, I was 16 and a new driver and I almost hit someone at a crosswalk. On a rainy day a car in front of me had stopped at an intersection but I impatiently decided to change lanes (go to the left lane) and pass him only to realize that a group of school kids were crossing the street Luckily I stopped in time but it was close. After that never again have I ever sped through an intersection.
a long time ago i witnessed an incident exactly like yours, except the lady's car actually struck a youngster and sent him flying about 15 feet! by the grace of God she saw the kid at the last second and was braking when she hit him, so miraculously the kid didn't even appear to be hurt. i directed traffic while my buddy stayed with the kid until the police and ambulance arrived. the ambulance took him to the hospital to make sure there were no internal injuries

the woman driving the car was devastated. as she said through tears, 'i've got kids that age myself.' i think she needed the ambulance more than the kid! :)

that afternoon became a permanent memory of mine, i can still picture every moment of it many decades later - and despite my somewhat aggressive driving style :eek: i've never sped through an intersection since
 

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that Chinese child was on another thread.probably the most disturbing thing I've seen in yrs.

that f...kwit driving the van stops,then drives over her with his rear wheels.He s/b shot to death&pissed on.
and the 19 a..holes who heartlessly ignored her....I fervently hope each one of them is some day in
dire situation&get similarly ignored.

I am so pissed off right now after seeing that again.
 
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