trisha baptie at it again....

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she just never stops man!! i am on a panel with her presenting to the BC Liberal Women's Commission on Saturday morning....lord thunderin' jezus.....:mad: wish me luck...i hate these face off with abolitionists.....

Pornography perpetuates 'culture of death'

Vancouver Courier June 16, 2010

To the editor:

Last week, EVE, an abolition group whose members are all former sex industry women who challenge the idea of sex as work, were troubled by the Naked Truth Adult Entertainment Award accepted by WISH, a drop-in for prostituted women in the Downtown Eastside.

It is counterproductive for a government-funded organization that "believes in the inherent value and dignity of all women and seeks to empower and support women in making free and positive choices" to accept an award from the very industry that fuels men's dehumanizing act of purchasing sex from women, including WISH's clients.

EVE applauds WISH's valuable work but if the acceptance of this award is a public statement of WISH's stance on pornography, EVE urges WISH to reconsider as we believe, and know firsthand, that the pain of street level prostituted women--as well as women in other areas of the sex industry--is collateral damage of the pornography and sex industry.

Trisha Baptie,

Read more: http://www.vancourier.com/entertain...ulture+death/3161114/story.html#ixzz0r8BIqbND
 

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Questions for you, Susie; it's good to know who the enemies are:

Is this the same woman in The Brothel Project film? Does she do anything useful for women who need help, or is she just a political activisit? (As opposed to the Rape Relief/Womens' Shelter group with the same political views that at least do some good work for women that need specific assistance.)
 

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no, she is purely a political activist and goes around giving lectures for money. but, she is part of the rape relief crew. they are all tied together. you're right it is good to know the enemy. i only get 5mins to speak but i'll make it a good one.

i am going to talk about canada's first sex worker cooperative and how funding cuts and a misinformation campaign have crippled our plans. i am sure it will get side tracked and hijacked by the abolitionists though. ALL SEX IS RAPE AND CAUSES MURDER!!

their latest thing is to say sex workers who "claim" they are making a choice are "selling out" their "sisters" (non sex working women) and causing violence against women. cast sex workers as evil much?

total hate propaganda. prohibition is a failed experiment...can we please move on?
 

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Didn't sex work exist before porn? So, if that's the case, how can porn and the sex industry (I just pictured huge factories pumping out large clouds of sex....) create street level prostitution? Wouldn't it be more sensible to reason that the underground (or out in the open) drug trade, prohibition, and lack of addiction treatment resources are the contributors to the street level sex trade? Also, add on the lack of mental health resources, clinics or even funny farms to help house those who can't help themselves....

They might as well just put on the black jackboots and goose step.
 

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goose step!!!lol

cave paintings yes or murals on the floors and walls of roman brothels or the kama sutra temple in india with statues of over 100 different sexual positions...really very beautiful!!

i think it comes down to peoples fear of sex or being sexual as a result of the victorian moral movement. they put anyone who exhibited overt or unusual sexual tendancies into insane assylums...it's like some residual fear of being discovered as sexual and punished. i much prefer the openess of the past. fer christs sakes we were an entire religion with temples at one point and at another point the only women allowed access to education were sex workers. the wives were kept on the mushroom diet!!lol feed em bullshit and keep em in the dark....not unlike now i guess!!

here's the panel i am on....stacked to the rafters with our opposition!!should be down right dirty!!glad i am going last!!

We are Women and We are not Shutting Up

Background:
The BC Women’s Liberal Commission (BCWLC) is organizing a Federal Liberal women policy breakfast. Our mandate is to support women being involved in politics and to support women candidates as well as to advocate for women's policy issues.
Our theme is "we are women and we are not shutting up" in response to the atmosphere conveyed by Conservative senator Nancy Ruth's recent "shut the f*** up " comment plus the prior, and ongoing, funding cuts to women's groups . We are hoping to discuss the cuts, their impact , the related policy priorities. Finally, what should we consider doing (e.g. action items/next steps) including options for differing levels of activism. So, what kind of noise do we need to make and how should we make it?
Speakers:

1. Alison BrewIn, the Executive Director of West Coast LEAF re cuts to Court Challenges program (confirmed by Catherine Evans)
2. Lee Lakeman Canadian Association of Sexual Assault Centers regarding both Rick Toews suggested opening of rape law and lack of funding for rape crisis centers and our need for funds to meet and function nationally especially if the minister is going to propose law changes or to change the public discourse on rape. Also, sentencing issues such as child abusers get less time than white collar crime. (Confirmed)
3. Shelagh Day, BC’s first human rights officer, on human rights (Confirmed)
4. Irene Tsepnopoulos-Elhaimer Executive Director Women Against Violence Against Women (WAVAW) lack of funding for rape crisis centers in our province (confirmed via Kim Haakstad)
4. Trisha Baptie from Exploited Voices Educating (EVE) about prostitution (confirmed)
5. Sarah Mah, Member of Asian Women Coalition Ending Prostitution on trafficking victims needs (confirmed by Alice Lee)
6. Adrienne Montani, Provincial Coordinator, First Call BC Child and Youth Advocacy Coalition (confirmed by Catherine Evans
7. Rina Fraticelli will speak about her recent Status of Women application re the Women in View symposium, which was turned down. Also Roslyn Muir, Board Member, Women in Film & Television Vancouver (confirmed)
8. Susan Davis, West Coast Cooperative of Sex Industry Professionals (WCCSIP) on the effects of funding cuts on Canada's first sex worker cooperative and how that combined with a misinformation campaign has crippled efforts to develop the strategic plans developed by sex workers themselves. (confirmed)

Format:
Introduction. 5-10 minutes per speaker. Q & A. Closing remarks and thanks.
Cost: The fee is included in the LPCBC policy convention delegate fee. For those attendees who are not delegates the price is $35.00. (Guest Speakers are invited at no charge.)
 

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As already pointed out, porn probably started as soon as humans figured out how to make images on dirt with a stick.

Prostitution has been around as long as humans have been around. Pornography has been around ~100 years, give or take a couple of decades. Yep, I see the correlation :rolleyes:




 

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So, I imagine this Trisha person is also against all forms of alimony and spousal support, right?

Note: I did not say child support. Different issue entirely.

To be honest, I can't really see any sex involving her as being anything other than rape. Because in my mind, I can't imagine anyone having sex with her willingly. So, maybe she has a point, in her experience, all sex was rape because that's the only way she could get any.
 

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Watching Ms. Baptie speak on that video, it is clear she wants a political/justice system solution for her psychological issues.

Good luck, Susie.
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
thanks hank, ...i think you're cool dude...you are always so resonable and supportive!!

here's what i said, baptie was typically emotional, crying etc.....

Good morning, my name is susan davis. I am an active sex worker of 24 years and have worked in many areas of the sex industry including on the street in vancouver’s DTES. I have served time in prison and survived addiction but am also a classical piano player and love to knit and sew. I am a member of the BC Coalition of Experiential communties, member of the Canadian adult entertainment council and the development coordinator for and a member of canada’s first sex workers cooperative- the west coast cooperative of sex industry professionals.

During the Developing Capacity for Change Project, in 2006 Vancouver sex workers expressed their desire to explore cooperative business models as a way to generate alternative sources of income, increase health and safety, build community capacity and begin to take control of our collective destiny.

Vancouver sex workers from many genres of the sex industry including the downtown eastside community have been working hard to create a framework for this cooperative and have finalized governance policies, decision making procedures, terms of reference, membership criteria, code of conduct, and conflict management procedures that reflect what they envision as a community.

The cooperative membership reflects the diversity of the sex working community as it includes women, men and trans-individuals as well as those from different ‘classes’ and varying capacities and abilities. More specifically, sex workers engaged are multi-literate and culturally diverse. First Nations, Asian, Caucasian, and Black workers and workers of mixed race are currently invested.

We were formally incorporated in February of 2008.

The plans defined by sex workers themselves for their cooperative included a number of enterprises such as plans intended to create alternative income sources for sex industry workers wishing to exit and of course the controversial cooperative safe work site other wise known as the cooperative brothel/ .

For 2 ½ years I tried to secure funding for development of a food manufacturing and diner theater enterprise based on the history of sex work museum exhibit created by sex workers and in partnership simon fraser university. We had hoped to have that enterprise going for the Olympics so sex workers displaced by security zones could have a chance to earn some money during the games but apparently this government doesn’t even support exiting opportunities for sex workers.

This action could have developed into a self sustaining exiting opportunity generating revenue to pay people working in the various aspects of the enterprise and given them an opportunity to earn money outside of the sex industry while gaining the confidence and experience they need to compete for employment in the mainstream job market.

Unfortunately, funding for sex workers is often a low priority. We are always last in line and the first to get cut. What is even more difficult is in times like these when the cuts are broad and sweeping affecting many women’s organizations, people become desperate and begin undermining each other in a desperate competition for funding.

For example. A misinformation campaign perpetuated by some women’s organizations, described canada’s first sex worker cooperative as a plan to open multiple brothels in time for the Olympics. They stated that the cooperative was likely to be controlled by organized crime, that only elite indoor workers would likely be working in the brothel and that the plans would harm street entrenched sex workers and contribute to the trafficking and harm of women in the sex industry.

This couldn’t be further from the truth. A cooperative by its very nature is not controlled by any one person but rather is directed by the membership voting. Even when confronted with the fact that our cooperative was developed by sex workers including those in the DTES and that the brothel plan was specifically intended for use by street entrenched workers to increase their safety and had nothing to do with the Olympics they continued to promote the cooperative as exploitative and to undermine our activities. I can only assume this was an attempt to eliminate any possible sources of development funding by confusing people about what our activities actually would be.

It worked, we were not funded. We are not funded. The last 6 proposals I have submitted have been turned down We have given up on finding funding and are now trying find ways to raise the $600,000 ourselves. I am a sex worker and am funded by my own sex work. I get no money from so called organized crime and the “billion dollar sex industry” If some groups have their way I will not even have the right to earn money that way and will be left to stand in line for a welfare check that doesn’t even come close to being a livable amount. I will not have any time to continue working on these issues. I will be in food lines and fighting to survive.

Also, recently I have been told that my choice to be a sex worker contributes to a culture of death, is a sell out to other women, that I am evil, should repent and should commit to not do sex work in order to protect other women.

Once again, the rights of sex workers are secondary to those of everyone else. I have a right under the international charter of human rights to choose employment over poverty, to work at a job which I freely choose, to favorable conditions and remunerations for that work and to be given the tools to make safe decisions about my work. The charter isn’t just a piece of paper. Prostitution is not illegal in this country. Where are my rights as a worker?

The hardest part of this competition between us all is the sex workers who don’t survive it. 4 members of canada’s first sex workers cooperative have died since we incorporated in 2008. I personally have paid a price also being labeled the “pro-prostitution lobby”, the front girl for organized crime, as profiting from the trafficking of women and children and of course my favourite, unregulated ejaculation responses profiteer.

I saw an article published in an online forum about the “Olympic brothel” as promoted by these groups which included my full name and in the comments section people described how I should be bashed in the head with a shovel, decapitated and that they wanted to defecate on my headless body…all based on a lie, a violation of my human rights, promoted by women….

The bitter and cut throat competition that arises as a result of funding cuts pits us all against one another and does worse, it harms women.

Rape crisis centers and support services for women are extremely important and already under funded. We must try to find way to ensure that all of the important programs and organizations represented here are funded and supported or people will continue to fall through the cracks.

We must recognize that this is a classic divide and conquer move on the part of the government and that as long as we continue to attack, undermine, bicker and compete with each other, we will not move forward. We must find ways to control our emotions and to see the bigger picture. This is not about one person’s beliefs or political goals, this is about all of us. We need to listen to and respect each other’s choices and experiences or nothing will ever change.

If you would like to know more about how sex industry workers are working towards safety and realizing their rights, our contact information and the website related to our work can be found on the back of this sex consumers educational materials we are developing to work with our other labor organizing plans.
 

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Questions for you, Susie; it's good to know who the enemies are:

Is this the same woman in The Brothel Project film? Does she do anything useful for women who need help, or is she just a political activisit? (As opposed to the Rape Relief/Womens' Shelter group with the same political views that at least do some good work for women that need specific assistance.)
I am pretty sure the person Jody met up with in Vancouver with the petition was this same one. It was a really brief appearance but if not her, a close cousin.

I saw the Langara talk, and agree with re: the woman from Pivot. When I saw her step up to speak I had wondered why the hell she wasn't included on the panel in the first place, along with countless others.

What I see with the focus on the SWs is that people like Trish B all have blinders on, can only see the sex work as the problem. So many people at that level (and other levels) have so many more important issues that need to be dealt with, that making a living with sex work is the very least of what society should be worried about if they were truly concerned with "helping" them.
 

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I have actually found the ultimate question that stops people like Baptie and Co. dead in their tracks. Sometimes they try to squirm or wiggle, but if you push the issue, they sputter and call you names and go away.

just ask them this:

"Can you introduce me to one single person who has never been diagnosed with a mental illness and is not on any psychiatric medications who agrees with your point?"

It never fails.
 
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